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Opioids Some questions about Codeine.

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Ok, that's my situation. I need to take Codeine, and that's my first time. My pain isn't so terrible, but that would be my right occasion to try out something new. I heard that's not physically addictive the first time, so i guess i will be ok. But..here comes my problem. I got HPPD ( because of a bad trip on bad acid ), and my other doctor told me to STAY OFF ANY DRUG, because even i smoke weed or drink something strong, i will get "flashbacks" making my HPPD worse ( tested, i tried to smoke weed and BAM, im dizzy 24/7 ).

So..should i take Codeine or stay away from it? Will Codeine make my HPPD worse? Thanks you all!
 
Generally opioids don''t aggravate HPPD, but they can make you feel stange. It's up to ytou whether or not that's an acceptable tradeoff.
 
sekio said:
Generally opioids don''t aggravate HPPD, but they can make you feel stange. It's up to ytou whether or not that's an acceptable tradeoff.
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What do you mean by "feel strange"? Because i already live with derealization ( due to HPPD ), and i dont want to aggravate it, but i really need Codeine right now. Ok, i can try it and see what happens.
What's the right dosage? ( i can't even ask my doctor because he isn't here right now, so that's why i'm asking to everyone reading this post )

Thanks you all anyway!
 
i have/used to have HPPD, derealization and dissociation. Opiates treat them all pretty well, they don't aggravate the symptoms, however sometimes i'd sitll have bouts of derealization mostly. The only thing that treats these disorders is benzos for me, nothing else works and i've tried so many things. It also makes sense as a benzo withdrawal will almost always include derealization and dissociation in a regular person, so it's logical to assume that benzos or gabaergics somehow suppress these conditions. Good luck, i know it sucks but you can even learn to live being all spaced out, hard to function or focus but i did it for a while.

but yeah you can take the codeine without issue, i've done it so many times i can't count and it never once made things worse but defintely made things better. The only thing to watch out for is the tylenol or caffeine that sometimes accompany the codeine. Caffeine will make your symptoms worse IME and the tylenol is just dangerous for the liver.
 
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i have/used to have HPPD, derealization and dissociation. Opiates treat them all pretty well, they don't aggravate the symptoms, however sometimes i'd sitll have bouts of derealization mostly. The only thing that treats these disorders is benzos for me, nothing else works and i've tried so many things. It also makes sense as a benzo withdrawal will almost always include derealization and dissociation in a regular person, so it's logical to assume that benzos or gabaergics somehow suppress these conditions. Good luck, i know it sucks but you can even learn to live being all spaced out, hard to function or focus but i did it for a while.

but yeah you can take the codeine without issue, i've done it so many times i can't count and it never once made things worse but defintely made things better. The only thing to watch out for is the tylenol or caffeine that sometimes accompany the codeine. Caffeine will make your symptoms worse IME and the tylenol is just dangerous for the liver.
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Woh, first, thanks you for bringing good news =D
So, i guess im just gonna take it tomorrow ( half pill ) and see if it will make my HPPD better. Yeah, i know, living all spaced out it's hard, and my attetion levels are reaaally low, but sometimes i just pretend that is a gift.
Taking benzos in my country it's really hard. I mean, taking almost everything it's really hard. Every downer, painkiller or things like adderall or ritalin are considered just as cocaine or heroin, so i will try to convince my doctor to give me a script for benzos ( i dont have an addictive personality, so i guess i will be fine ), even for my anxiety.

Thanks you all and have a nice day!
 
sometimes it is a gift to be like that, i mean, who else gets to experience life from that perspective? i don't love it but i always found it interesting. If this were 2000 years ago, we'd be fucking prophets lol. Sucks about the benzos, but what about phenibut, etizolam, baclofen? those things will help too. Opiates help quite a bit anyway, to the point where i never feel insane/disconnected/nothing's real on them but benzos in general are the best treatment option IMO.

if you can't get benzos try baclofen or some gaba agonist, i'm sure they will help though i'm not sure of the pharmacology at all but IME they help in general. Of course you don't want to end up being addicted to opiates/benzos though as you can never come off benzos as the derealization/depersonalization get so bad that it's impossible to live, which is why after years of benzo use, i go completely insane when i try to even taper.
 
Prophets, yeah XD

About the benzos, i'm working on it, maybe i will be able to get a script ( maybe i will be the first in my country lol ) for Xanax or Valium.

Now, totally OT..does amphetamines ( meth included ) make HPPD worse? Guess i should ask in another thread, but i find it pointless, really. No, i'm not planning on smoking meth, speedy drugs are not my things and i dont care anymore about getting high, i just wanna know if amphetamines could turn your HPPD into Psychosis. Thanks you, and exscuse me for the OT.
 
i've never smoked methamp, but amphetamines in general increase my visual activity but it doesn't really bother me, things just look a bit brigher, soft edges, subtle stuff. Kind of like a super low dose psychedelic.

and yeah amphetamines can definitely bring anyone to psychosis, HPPD or not, so you do have to be careful not to abuse them. I've given myself a few psychotic breaks on stims alone, they wear off fast but nevertheless it's easy to hit that territory if you're binging. Just take them as prescribed and you should be fine. High doses will definitely increase HPPD, so i'd avoid it. I hate high dose stims even if it's dexedrine, 50mg, is just too much for me at once.
 
I have mild HPPD due to an intense acid trip, I was hospitalised and punched an officer because I was so fucked up.. Doctors told me to stay of all drugs like you, I don't believe codeine should interfere with the hppd, you should just stay away from hallucinogens (including weed yes) for a while.
 
Hi usernameuser!

Straight up disclaimer: the following are just my opinions based on my experience. So just take it as that and no more, because everyone's different and unpredictable.


I think opiates are one of the least likely substances to aggravate HPPD. As a first time user, you might experience some novel feelings/side-effects like feeling itchy, feeling a bit sick, feeling warm or hot, and of course feeling relaxed.

When you said you were gonna take 'half a pill'... what kind of pills have you got? You're talking about codeine, right? Because unless you have some high milligram codeine pills, that's a tiny dose. A good idea if you just wanted to do an allergy test kind of experiment, but I doubt half a pill is going to do anything. Of course, that depends on the codeine content. Where I'm from, the highest milligram content of any codeine containing pill that I am aware of is 30mg. The one's that I can buy over the counter are usually 8mg or 10mg.

Are you looking for pain relief, or relief from HPPD symptoms? Or bit of both?

If you find that small amounts of codeine work well enough for your needs, then I wouldn't recommend trying to get a script for benzos. Benzos are good for anxiety and will help your HPPD while you're taking them but if you take them for a while and then stop, you might experience a severe relapse or worsening of derealization.

Would you believe that I got my worst ever incidents of derealization when I was in withdrawals from clonazepam (Klonopin)? And this is from someone who loves taking dissociatives like ketamine, MXE, and so on, so I'm familiar with feeling weird and disconnected and could generally stay calm even when I took too much 3-MeO-PCP a couple of times. But the benzo withdrawal experiences were terrifying and beyond my ability to self-manage.

Just my opinion. Hope you find something that helps:)
 
Whats HPPD? As far as opiates they are not really mind altering like marijuana per say. Its just kind of a warm relaxed feeling. On the spectrum of opiates codeine is on the weak end. If you have never taken a pain medication it should be intoxicating at first, but like I said you will just feel warm and calm.
 
hallucinogen persisting perceptual disorder or something like that. Basically you still see stuff even though you aren't tripping.
 
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