Some people are just idiots...

Lopez

Lopez

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my friend is an IDIOT and won't take my advice on cycling, he's also too young– 21, and he decided to start cycling, so i agreed to help him out just for harm reduction because he's not changing his mind. anyway he bought 6 months worth of tren via the internet and is going to run it standalone, for 3 months, then 3 months with IGF-des (ALL WITHOUT A BREAK) then he'll be running a PCT consisting only of clomid...


should i be concerned? otherwise i'll just sit back and watch him crumble ;P
 
Lopez said:
my friend is an IDIOT and won't take my advice on cycling, he's also too young– 21, and he decided to start cycling, so i agreed to help him out just for harm reduction because he's not changing his mind. anyway he bought 6 months worth of tren via the internet and is going to run it standalone, for 3 months, then 3 months with IGF-des (ALL WITHOUT A BREAK) then he'll be running a PCT consisting only of clomid...


should i be concerned? otherwise i'll just sit back and watch him crumble ;P
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Fuck him. Let him learn. For starters I guarantee he is going to end up fatigued, suffer insomnia, and fuck up his T3 levels. He might even end up with gyno. His IGF better be pharm grade otherwise he is paying or underdosed/imitation garbage. I bet his fucking Tren is underdosed as well. Wait until he gets Tren cough, I bet he will call the hospital lol.

A few weeks after his PCT he will start to get smaller, his muscles will become softer, he will start to hold water and eventually he will be smaller than he was before he even started. His Testosterone levels will never be the same.

Your friend is a faggot of epic proportions and it's children like him that give steroids a bad name. If I knew who he was and saw him on the street I would beat him fucking senseless.
 
Wow I couldn't think of a more ballsy/dumbass thing to do as a beginner roid user.

Maybe he'll be one of those super-tren users that can run it stand-alone without sides...

Or he could be a sensitive tren user and get ALL of the bad sides.
 
Lopez said:
my friend is an IDIOT and won't take my advice on cycling, he's also too young– 21, and he decided to start cycling, so i agreed to help him out just for harm reduction because he's not changing his mind. anyway he bought 6 months worth of tren via the internet and is going to run it standalone, for 3 months, then 3 months with IGF-des (ALL WITHOUT A BREAK) then he'll be running a PCT consisting only of clomid...


should i be concerned? otherwise i'll just sit back and watch him crumble ;P
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His basal Testosterone level will be ruined for the rest of his life, he will need high blood pressure and erectile dysfunction medication before his 25th birthday, there will be a negative feedback loop from the IGF, and possibly many other unforeseen cardiovascular consequences much later in his life. Oh, and that's assuming his shit is clean, which is never the case with Tren purchased online. Yeah, big difference between running Tren properly at age 31 and running it like an idiot at age 21.


I would do everything in your power to try and prevent this from happening. Try not to hold yourself morally responsible if he ends up doing it anyway though. Some people just need to learn the hard way. I've seen even dumber and it isn't pretty, but it somehow ends the same way everytime.
 
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Fuck him. Let him learn. For starters I guarantee he is going to end up fatigued, suffer insomnia, and fuck up his T3 levels. He might even end up with gyno. His IGF better be pharm grade otherwise he is paying or underdosed/imitation garbage. I bet his fucking Tren is underdosed as well. Wait until he gets Tren cough, I bet he will call the hospital lol.

A few weeks after his PCT he will start to get smaller, his muscles will become softer, he will start to hold water and eventually he will be smaller than he was before he even started. His Testosterone levels will never be the same.

Your friend is a faggot of epic proportions and it's children like him that give steroids a bad name. If I knew who he was and saw him on the street I would beat him fucking senseless.
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i agree... except he's bigger than me... i'm not touching him... until he's smaller as you say he'll get :P

tren cough, never heard of that, but then again i've never ran tren haha.
 
Voxide said:
His basal Testosterone level will be ruined for the rest of his life, he will need high blood pressure and erectile dysfunction medication before his 25th birthday, there will be a negative feedback loop from the IGF, and possibly many other unforeseen cardiovascular consequences much later in his life. Oh, and that's assuming his shit is clean, which is never the case with Tren purchased online. Yeah, big difference between running Tren properly at age 31 and running it like an idiot at age 21.


I would do everything in your power to try and prevent this from happening. Try not to hold yourself morally responsible if he ends up doing it anyway though. Some people just need to learn the hard way. I've seen even dumber and it isn't pretty, but it somehow ends the same way everytime.
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to be honest i'm kind of hoping for it, he's just a complete assh*le to everyone i know since he started making decent gains.
 
day 3, he says he's definitely gotten "harder" muscle wise, and he's more energetic, but he still doesn't feel as much as he expected.
 
Lopez said:
day 3, he says he's definitely gotten "harder" muscle wise, and he's more energetic, but he still doesn't feel as much as he expected.
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Tren: Muscles lookin' hard. Dick lookin' soft.
 
-Guido- said:
Fuck him. Let him learn. For starters I guarantee he is going to end up fatigued, suffer insomnia, and fuck up his T3 levels. He might even end up with gyno.

A few weeks after his PCT he will start to get smaller, his muscles will become softer, he will start to hold water and eventually he will be smaller than he was before he even started. His Testosterone levels will never be the same.
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Is there any way to reverse these effects? Mainly the water retention and soft muscles? Before I did research and learned from this board I did a couple cycles of Epistane with no PCT, and one really long cycle with a few bottles of test and dbol. Any help would be appreciated I want to achieve the hard dry look again without going back to gear. Thanks
 
Yellowcabs said:
Is there any way to reverse these effects? Mainly the water retention and soft muscles? Before I did research and learned from this board I did a couple cycles of Epistane with no PCT, and one really long cycle with a few bottles of test and dbol. Any help would be appreciated I want to achieve the hard dry look again without going back to gear. Thanks
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don't supplement creatine. aromatase inhibitors/anti-e's. diuretics...
 
Yellowcabs said:
Is there any way to reverse these effects? Mainly the water retention and soft muscles? Before I did research and learned from this board I did a couple cycles of Epistane with no PCT, and one really long cycle with a few bottles of test and dbol. Any help would be appreciated I want to achieve the hard dry look again without going back to gear. Thanks
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Learn how to actually diet and train.

Look up lean gains by Martin Berkhan.
 
Lopez said:
day 3, he says he's definitely gotten "harder" muscle wise, and he's more energetic, but he still doesn't feel as much as he expected.
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What a faggot. Placebo is a powerful thing. Your muscles don't get harder after 3 days.

I know he is your friend but it's my belief that people such as him need to die for the sake of humanity. He is a stain on the genepool.
 
day 4, he finally caved and asked me about which pharmacy across the border sells test. he says he has the penis of an 8 year old and no sex drive since day 2– which he thought would go away eventually...

he was also humiliated at the gym by one of our friends who actually knows how to run tren, and i guess that knocked some sense into him.... i guess that's ONE guy straightened out... ~30 more at the gym to go...
 
Lopez said:
he was also humiliated at the gym by one of our friends who actually knows how to run tren, and i guess that knocked some sense into him.... i guess that's ONE guy straightened out... ~30 more at the gym to go...
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Nope, still an idiot for taking steroids at 21.
 
Lopez said:
day 4, he finally caved and asked me about which pharmacy across the border sells test. he says he has the penis of an 8 year old and no sex drive since day 2– which he thought would go away eventually...

he was also humiliated at the gym by one of our friends who actually knows how to run tren, and i guess that knocked some sense into him.... i guess that's ONE guy straightened out... ~30 more at the gym to go...
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I hope he is careful with Mexican gear. Shit is notorious for either being not sterile or containing too much BA which makes injecting painful as fuck and causes crazy swelling.
 
Yellowcabs said:
Is it a good idea to use those without being on Test?

Thanks Voxide I'll check it out.
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Anti-estrogens standalone? Absolutely not. That will cause more harm than good. You need estrogen in your body for bone re-mineralization, sex drive, and muscle gains. Chronically low levels of estrogen will lead to even bigger, more serious health problems down the road.

Diuretics on the other hand will kill you easily if you misuse them. Those aren't needed for anything unless you're doing a competition. Moderate water retention can easily be controlled with diet alone.

If you want gains, you need to ignore all of those drugs for now and start from the ground up.
 
People need to be areful with anti-estrogens, even on cycle. If you take too much you can expect acne, and terribly dry skin in the fingers and round the nails, not to mention your dick will be like a gummi worm.

Definitely be careful with diuretics. They can easily kill and it's a a very horrible way to die. The only reason I plan on fucking with them is because my doctor suggested I opt to take one due to my blood pressure and that fact that Methadone makes me hold some water. I sure as fuck won't be taking a loop diuretic, fuck that. I don't want to accidentally sweat too much and fucking drop dead.
 
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