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pallidamors said:
You can't really blame your friends' actions on your own, but I do feel like there are certain innate or societally-implanted barriers to IV drug use which must be broken down before a person starts using drugs intravenously.

First...there is a very real social stigma attached to IV drugs. When someone sees a close friend or knows someone who IVs who continues to mantain an (at least outwardly) functional lifestyle, the individual may start to question why they previously held an aversion to IV drugs. "After all, if X shoots up, and has a job and goes to school, it must not be that bad," would be the rationale here.

Second...the individual outwardly expresses curiosity in using IV drugs. After step 1, they have probably formed the belief that one can be an occasional IV drug user, or at least a constant and functional one. Due to either tolerance or curiosity, they start to consider the act of IVing themselves. However, as we are not born with the knowledge of how to hit a vein, etc., they seek out the drug user from stage one, bringing us to...

Three...the individual experiences IV drug use. This would involve another person prepping the shot for them, setting up the set and setting, etc. They may decide they don't enjoy the experience and stop here, or they may enjoy it, there is no telling. They may lay in this stage for hours or years. In my case, I figured out what the other person was doing within several minutes, and was able to IV after that point. Other people have gone years without figuring out how to prep drugs for injection, and finding a vein, and all that, which brings us to...

Four...individual knows how to IV drugs and does it as often as they wish. I have probably IVed a total of 15-20 times since I figured out how to. With others, it is much more often. I simply don't feel the urge to inject all of the time, and when I do, I inject. However, I can see where other people enjoy the feeling enough to inject every day, and take the habit to dangerous or lethal levels.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that while people like you and I may provide some of the knowledge needed to IV drugs, who is to say these people couldn't have found this knowledge somewhere else? Its hard to mantain a clear conscience if you've shot someone up, but if you know they won't attempt it elsewhere, don't offer to give them IV drugs. If you suspect they might try on their own or have another (worse) source of information, help them out but teach them as many techniques as you can to reduce harm. Its a fine line, and I see your moral dilemma, for sure.
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This is a really great post.

I dont see any trouble really in schooling people on drug using techniques or even in providing them with drugs, I mean, people make their own decisions, and at least if you are schooling them on how to do it proper and even hooking them up with good drugs, then they aren't doing ti improperly or doing bad drugs.
 
pallidamors said:
I feel like that in many cases, if a friend or significant other is asking you to shoot them up, they already have decided mentally that they are ready to do so, and will probably take an opportunity to do it whether or not you are the one assisting them. And for me that's where the harm reduction aspect comes into play. It's difficult for them to watch you prepare a shot and not at least have SOME idea how to do it, so you may as well show them all the extra tips and techniques involved in shooting as safely as possible. Because if you don't show them how to do it properly, there's a good chance they'll end up trying it themselves and could end up really botching it, and putting themselves in danger.
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this is why i've drawn the line at women thus far; i know they've only been curious and wouldn't repeat it given the chance. they had enough on their plate as it was, they didn't need an IV habit on top.

If you're an IV drug user and don't want to boot your friends up because you are afraid it might turn them on to IV use, you can always try to not IV in front of them, even if they're aware that you do it. Simply going into another room can remove or at least minimize that trigger within them that increases their curiosity, and given time, they may lose interest in wanting to mainline a drug.
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definitely, i do this out of respect. if people are interested in watching i don't mind showing though.

my views have definitely changed since i originally posted this as i haven't been around any other IV users and have been using oral and nasal route a lot more than IV.

i'd have no problem teaching someone should they already have their mind set on it and have no better means of an experienced user to teach them.
 
i understand that shooting is different, but i think introducing people to drugs, more even hard drugs, provides the same feelings of guilt

just my two cents, i feel like you're shutting off a lot bluelighters who've never shot up from this thread

i've never introduced anyone to anything but marijuana, so i can't say i've ever felt guilty.
 
My ex-boyfriend shot me up multiple times a day for over 3 years until I was forced to learn for myself. I've done a lot of damage compared to him, it definitely takes practice when you have such little/few veins.

Whenever we rendezvous, I have him hit me to this day.
 
!_MDMA_! said:
just my two cents, i feel like you're shutting off a lot bluelighters who've never shot up from this thread
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because i'm targeting a certain group of people - what good is it getting people reaponding who've introduced people to snorting? nothing at all, i'm not asking that nor care. feel free to make your own topic.
 
TJ5 said:
once you drive a Ferrari, no one wants to go back to driving a Honda.
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I'll still take a Honda S2000 and not feel like I'm missing out. Haha.

The whole issue of "enabling" someone is troubling because, fuck, once you are an adult, your choices are yours.
There is something disturbing about crossing the gender line though when you are a guy.

From my perspective (always the drug Dr. in the groups i used to run with) It was better to know everyone's tolerances, what other drugs/ meds they were on, etc, than to let them decide for themselves and royally fuck up or OD. I never thought there would be an accident as long as i was in control or at least monitoring shit, and there never was until I left town.
 
My little story..

:\ Okay, well here go's my story when it comes down to Chiniese Needlework..
I started IVing drugs a few years back now and i began doing it completley out of interest.. No-one forced me into it and i didint have any friends around trying to influence me what-so-ever... It was a slow and steady ride into the habbit, where booting up was difficult, and a little sceary to start with.. When now i could prep and give myself a clean as possiable shot with my eyes closed and half asleep.. :\

I believe the thing that got me started was the fact i work in a facility where i see people getting big needles (and big needles at that!), all day long. Its not all clean practice either,.. and i never see any infections... 8)
Probley also the fact i have a endless supply of clean, sterile equipment.. Fits in all sizes and gauges, sterile water ampouls, alcohol wipes, sterile cotton wool.. The only thing i need to buy is micron-filters, which i do, and are easy to obtain over the internet..

After awhile over time, i heard many storys about what some crazy people around the world have got away with injecting, (Soy-sauce, Brandy, Asprin, JackDaniels, Vegemite, Vinniger, Rainwater out of the running gutter, methadone that some dude spewed up to sell, random pills like antidepressants unfiltered of-course, and many other things just to name a few), yes and im sure it was damaging to them, period... But it didnt kill them, even tho a great deal of potential was there!..

I know this dosent sound real good but that was probley a big influence because it made me believe that a little bit of speed, or a properly filtered Oxy with sterile water and clean equipment wouldnt hurt me..

The first drug i ever injected was methamphetamine, and it was an incrediable and life changing experience, i was all on my own.. as sad as it sounds.. :\ I then moved on to opiates...

There are only 4 people that know i inject.. 2 best mates, and my mother and stepfather (only becaue they found me ODing, which is another story)

I have a reliable job, a functional lifestyle, great friends, a social life, awsome hobbies and enough money to be happy and stay alive.. ive been able to hold this down for several years now.. and i would probley inject 3 to 15 times a week depending on what is happening for me...

Anyway leftwing.. please dont feel any guilt, and try not to worry about your mates learning the ropes when it comes to IV... I can see exactally why you would feel concern, and thats totally natural... If someone wants to inject, they are going to inject weather you think its your influence or not.. Really when it comes down to it you are NOT responsiable for someone making up their mind on this matter.. There would be many other influencing factors sourrounding someones decisions when it comes to injecting drugs..
The best and most rewarding thing for you to do would be to encourage your harm reduction knowledge and be there for your mates.. which we all know you do a wonderful job at.. im sure.. :)

Peace*
 
IV users of various substances

I got pretty upset talking to someone tonight about IV use. I've never done IV, I tried to get my peers and people around me to do it, but none of them would help. They were fearful of me crossing the line so to say. I know there are some people who can use IV as a ROA with no problems, but there is a majority who can't.

Would you help or introduce someone to the world of IV? Do you think it is alright to show someone IV as a ROA? To introduce someone from say iv coke to iv meth?

I got pretty upset arguing with someone over this, I have access even if limited access to IV users IRL, but every single one told me to stay the fuck away. I'm just curious about other peoples opinions regarding this.

-Disclaimer- If you can use IV responsibly , thats good for you. I think a majority of people can't, and once that line is crossed there is no other ROA that makes you feel satisfied. Personal experience in that department is null, so I could be ignorant as shit and completely wrong. I have a feeling though if someone had shot me up, I would be on a whole nother level. Prove me right or wrong?

Mods if its the wrong forum, feel free to move, I just figured a majority of IV is other drugs, not so much psychedelics and what not. BTW I am not judging anyone for anything they do, but would you want to pass on the know how to do this ROA?
 
If someone your friend is bent upon doing it no matter what, you might as well show them how to do it in a the safest way possible.

Otherwise it is hardly ethical to make someone cross the line who otherwise wouldn't. The right thing is to tell them that if they can go on having fun with softer modes of administration, they should stick to those. Points to make is that IV is generally the most risky way of taking drugs, and the most conducive to tolerance which can make it impossible to ever enjoy a drug at all.
 
knowledge is power. your friend may change his mind after doing his own research. some people are going to do things no matter what. education is the biggest asset in this discussion.

(HR) Injection; IV Complications and Information MEGATHREAD and FAQ II - show me the blood

Here is a great informative link... regardless of how you feel or what you decide. You can't make a person change their mind. But you can be a good friend and for the sake of Harm Reduction,share the info here.

Just my thoughts and a link so you don't have to search.
I wish I never picked it up but it is not as evil as some people think.I feel no shame and I live a very "normal" life despite the fact that I IV some drugs. We are not all living on the street using dirty needles. Many prominent,powerful people chose this ROA. It doesn't make them bad people. I know I am not. And yes, I try and dissuade people from trying the spike,but I have an obligation to not censor what could save a life or even change someone's mind. Knowledge is power. <3

hope this helps in any capacity.
 
Crossing to IV is the worst thing you can do, once you switch to IV the effects from any other ROA just don't cut it.
 
I think your friends did the right thing. One night when I was high on xanax and heroin, I taught my friend to shoot up heroin, and now he has hepatitis C. I knew another person that just flatlined the first time he I'V.d and they couldn't bring him back. I like to think that I would never, EVER, bring someone into that world.

For most people, the needle becomes a primary addiction. I've shot up so many things that are never meant to be injected, just cause I wanted to try and get that "rush", as well as the ritual of the drawing up the gear and then seeing that blood shoot up the barrel. I think if I had never been taught to inject, I would not be where I am now. I'm not saying this because I think sniffing dope is an easier habbit, I'm saying it because after I'V'ing heroin, I went on to shooting coke, which for me is the nastiest habit to have.

All t his however is pointless, because as I know myself, if a user is intent on something, he'll usually do it. Try reading some of the threads here on safe I.V use, and allways start out with a small dosage.
 
i hate to say it, but i have shot quite a few of my friends up for their first times. all of them got strung out, either got busted or sent away to rehab. one of my friends tried to kill himself he got so strung out and depressed. i know its not my fault but i do feel somewhat responsible for introducing him to the needle. if he had just kept snorting his dope i dont know if he would have ever picked up the needle since at the time i was the only IV user amongst my group of snorting friends.
 
I was thinking about the topic and I happen to be a "speedball" junkie. Cocaine has got to be one of the worst drugs to inject. It absolutely destroys your veins and if you miss with a shot you run the risk of getting realy bad abcesses and creates very hard lumps at the point of injection!
 
first drug i ever IV'd was 5-meo-dipt.


The thing about the IVing is you get addicted to the process, and thats the hardest thing too break..

honestly i think if you can get right back up from that first fall with it, then you can keep it too occasional use.. or even not at all.

but if your in an emotionally fragile place and decide to go back to it, it can become worse than cigarettes, you literally try to quit every day.
 
Having introduced someone to IV use, I regret it. I mean true if the person is hellbent on doing it, or they have such a high tolerance they are headed there any way, then I would show them how to do it safely. but if they can still sniff, then no not again. If you can avoid IV use, then do so.

Especially not something like IV coke. what a terrible terrible thing to introduce somebody to.
 
tass4243 said:
I got pretty upset talking to someone tonight about IV use. I've never done IV, I tried to get my peers and people around me to do it, but none of them would help. They were fearful of me crossing the line so to say. I know there are some people who can use IV as a ROA with no problems, but there is a majority who can't.

Would you help or introduce someone to the world of IV? Do you think it is alright to show someone IV as a ROA? To introduce someone from say iv coke to iv meth?

I got pretty upset arguing with someone over this, I have access even if limited access to IV users IRL, but every single one told me to stay the fuck away. I'm just curious about other peoples opinions regarding this.

-Disclaimer- If you can use IV responsibly , thats good for you. I think a majority of people can't, and once that line is crossed there is no other ROA that makes you feel satisfied. Personal experience in that department is null, so I could be ignorant as shit and completely wrong. I have a feeling though if someone had shot me up, I would be on a whole nother level. Prove me right or wrong?

Mods if its the wrong forum, feel free to move, I just figured a majority of IV is other drugs, not so much psychedelics and what not. BTW I am not judging anyone for anything they do, but would you want to pass on the know how to do this ROA?
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I would help someone so that they wouldn't try anyways and fuck up.

OF COURSE I would show someone how to IV meth who was already IVing coke. IV coke is a waste of veins. Why puncture your vein for like 5 minutes of bell ringing and projectile vomiting? IV meth can last you hours and hours, if not at least a whole day.

For the record: my favorite IV experience was with MDA. Favorite psychedelic exp. as well.

Also, I would not be like "hey grab a needle and do it with me!" - I think turning non-IV users who aren't even interested in it onto it is a bad thing.

If someone is already like OOH LET ME TRY!!! And you're like "uh-oh" - well at least the person is at least interested in it.... that isn't your fault.

DexysMidnightRuner said:
Having introduced someone to IV use, I regret it. I mean true if the person is hellbent on doing it, or they have such a high tolerance they are headed there any way, then I would show them how to do it safely. but if they can still sniff, then no not again. If you can avoid IV use, then do so.

Especially not something like IV coke. what a terrible terrible thing to introduce somebody to.
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I can understand this though. Sometimes you let someone try IVing a drug, and they may like it just as much as most people like IV heroin/IV coke. Even if it's a really not-intense drug experience.

In this sense, you can't really perceive things to go wrong that shouldn't.
 
Years ago, ppl and dealers I was around would not introduce me to IV, even though I was already sniffing heroin and oxycontin. I got my friend to show me after prepping my shot and stabbing it into my arm and slowly giving myself sc shots. After about 3 minutes he was so horrified, he showed me. So like 5 or 6 years later here I am..

I do feel guilty for having introduced speedballing, iv meth, crack and coke to lots of ppl. and introducing IV to those not really interested. Even tho I know guilt is a useless emotion, I cant help but feel terrible for knowing where some of those ppl ended up and experienced bc of me.

I would rationalize it and say knowledge is always good and that if it wasnt me, it would be someone else, but I still dont feel right about having such a sullied past. I showed ppl who I pretty much knew were gonna get wrecked with IV stims, but I was a wreck (still am) and didn't care.
 
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