But not really... right?
So Your Friend Starts Injecting...
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cosmic charlie
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Ive introduced alot of people to the needle over the years. It was kind of inevitable that my friends would want to try it when they saw how high I would get from shooting a couple bags in my arm at once. Every single person that I shot up for there first time fell absolutely in love with it and sunk much further into heroin addiction then they were before.
Ive always been really good at hitting other people's veins it's so much easier to use the set with two hands. I Love watching the feeling of pleasure coming over their face after you push the plunger home. It's kind of a sticky situation turning people onto IV drugs but I don't regret it. They would have tried it one day eventually and I might as well show them how it's done properly.
Ive always been really good at hitting other people's veins it's so much easier to use the set with two hands. I Love watching the feeling of pleasure coming over their face after you push the plunger home. It's kind of a sticky situation turning people onto IV drugs but I don't regret it. They would have tried it one day eventually and I might as well show them how it's done properly.
voodookid
Bluelighter
I've never actually introduced anyone to IV use. I have shot a few people up but only people that had done it before. I have no problem doing that as i would rather help someone than see them poke around in their arm for ages, possibly causing much more damage.
The person that taught me how to IV felt a little like you, Leftwing. But I personally didnt blame him for anything. It was totally my decision to use the needle, I asked him to teach me, I knew what i was getting myself into before i did it. He just provided a source of harm reduction.
I think you need to be sure that this person really has all the facts before they start. Make sure that they are not asking you just because they've seen how high you get when you bang. If you're not satisfied they are ready, then dont do it.
Why is it you wont bang up a girl?
The person that taught me how to IV felt a little like you, Leftwing. But I personally didnt blame him for anything. It was totally my decision to use the needle, I asked him to teach me, I knew what i was getting myself into before i did it. He just provided a source of harm reduction.
I think you need to be sure that this person really has all the facts before they start. Make sure that they are not asking you just because they've seen how high you get when you bang. If you're not satisfied they are ready, then dont do it.
Why is it you wont bang up a girl?
johanneschimpo
Bluelighter
Its not the naloxone that blocks heroin from working, its the buprenorphine itself. So even if you had subutex, or pure buprenorphine, the blocking effects would be identical.
Jabberwocky
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bump.
ill get time for this again soon
ill get time for this again soon
xxkcxx
Bluelighter
I feel pretty bad now over that convo we had like last week or whenever it was.
IMO, though, if I really want to do something I will, probably to the point that I will give myself abscesses or something because I would have no idea how to do it properly.
I feel bad saying this in this thread since I would say that we are friends in RL (sort of?) and this is probably not what you want to hear, but the other day I was DETERMINED to make it work at tried probably 5 or 6 different spots and got all puffy and red and bruised on a few of them before I had to give up.
I'm not the sharpest crayon (
) when it comes to drug use and should be, at times, the poster child for harm reduction in the sense of "you don't want to be like this junkie chick."Someone shooting me or showing me is really just doing me a favor...
I've gotten people into injecting before, but the most recent time I had decided I was sick of always having to hit people. I had a friend that was always bitching at my girl for shooting up, saying how bad it was, how it would destroy her life, etc. So she started trying to convince him to try it to see what it was really like. I saw his resistance wearing down and knew where the situation was going. I said I don't feel like having another person to shoot up 5 times a day (already do it for my girl, and she can't hit other people), and tried in vain to make him realize that no matter how much he's against it and no matter how vehemently he declares that it won't become an everyday thing 'cause it's a one time deal. But he tried it anyway, now I have to deal with both of them getting pissed off at how hard it is to shoot up because neither of them can do it well and I still refuse to and spending at least an hour a day total doing it in front of me.
It's fucking out of hand. People just don't believe it when I inform them that no matter how much they're against it, once they try it once, that's all she wrote, they'll be on the needle until they quit drugs or die. I'm re-instituting my denial policy for anybody else, anybody who doesn't already inject is getting told I don't do it and don't know what it's like.
I really don't understand what's so difficult about injecting yourself either. It took 30 seconds on Google before my first try and I could do it perfect from there on out. Most of it is common sense. I never needed anybody to show me, never mind do it for me. I just don't see what's so hard about it.
It's fucking out of hand. People just don't believe it when I inform them that no matter how much they're against it, once they try it once, that's all she wrote, they'll be on the needle until they quit drugs or die. I'm re-instituting my denial policy for anybody else, anybody who doesn't already inject is getting told I don't do it and don't know what it's like.
I really don't understand what's so difficult about injecting yourself either. It took 30 seconds on Google before my first try and I could do it perfect from there on out. Most of it is common sense. I never needed anybody to show me, never mind do it for me. I just don't see what's so hard about it.
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
i wouldnt say your morals are askew, man. some people just draw the line at different situations. and the line i draw it at is shooting women up. i have nothing against guys doing women up. as its been mentioned, as a common factor, if theyre determined enough to do it theyre going to find one way or another to do it. whether it be their friend or acquaintance. it just doesnt sit right with me.
i have a bad enough conscience when im doing a male friend up. all the possibilties of missing a shot etc etc all come into play. i've also seen other girls do themselves up and i don;t think i would have the courage to do it as most womens veins ive seen are not exactly the most accessible.
i dunno im fucked up at the moment and i dont think im coming across properly so ill come back when im not in this state.
thanks for everyones responses so far, keep them coming!:D
Sin City Bags
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shit, I decided a long time ago that I'd never encourage nor discourage a friends drug use. It is what it is and people will do whatever they want to do.
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
i had something to say in this but forgot, so imma bump it.
skoat
Bluelighter
A lot of my friends seem to have this attitude, though that doesn't mean I'm always being badgered to slam. I haven't been asked for at least two weeks. I'm the guy still snorting it around a bunch of my great friends who are IV'ing, from my perspective I'm asking for it by putting myself in the situation.
When I go to NFL games, one of our friends doesn't sit in regular seating by himself while we're all in club level. Its a strange metaphor, but it came easily at the moment.
I also strongly concur with the mentality that if you shoot someone up for the first time, you should be giving them pointers. No matter how much they plan on using the substance, the only way harm reduction could be attained would be from properly showing the user how to set-up and inject correctly. Its not like they're always going to tell you what they're doing.
After what I've seen happen to some of the people my friends introduced to IV'ing, it seems to me that the more experienced user should introduce the topic of heroin or IVing for that matter with serious discretion.
the_ketaman
Bluelighter
Ive done 2 of my friends with meth a few times and an old aquaintence with opiates once. I feel pretty bad about doing the guy with the opiates, he wasnt very responsible which is why I did it in the first place. just a week or 2 earlier he shot up for the first time and I have a very high suspicion he shared needles with the person that showed/did him up. When we were doing it he was telling me that he would just use my needle after me and I had to explain to him that even though I dont have any diseases I would not let him use my fit after me, I also told him that if he ever shoots up again he should always bend the needle after it has been used so he's not tempted to use it again. This kid had a lot of problems but somehow while I was high as a kite he managed to convince me to help him out, which I did but I honestly think if I hadnt have showed him he would have somehow killed himself trying.
My friends who ive done meth with a few times would not try to do it themselves if I didnt do it for them so I felt I could trust them in that theyre not gonna do anything stupid. Im not going to do it for them anymore and they know that and are comfortable with that, these people are very mature so I dont feel too bad about doing it, but I will not do it for anyone ever again, mostly because its my life as well as theirs on the line if something goes wrong and I will not go to jail for the rest of my life because someone wanted to get high, its such a huge price for something in reality so small(getting high I mean, not life).
It has taken me more than a year now to get any form of control over my IV use. I will not shoot opiates anymore because I would continue to become hopelessly dependent, like every time I try to control my opiate use. I will only shoot meth maybe once a month or less and I can control that, I feel as though I have a strong will too and I still screwed up bad with the opiates and meth. I was never seriously addicted to anything until I started banging. After my first shot of oxy I just became dependent on so many drugs, xanax, oxy/morphine, ritalin IV and meth. I just became so careless, before that I was the responsible one with drugs, all that went out the window. I only just finished rehab for the first time(ive been to rehab 3 times now) and ive seen a huge change in myself but I dont think I could bare to see a friend go through a year of hardcore IV use, it would break my heart so thats why I refuse to do people up. Im not even going to tell anyone if im IV'ing anymore, if they notice im on meth ill just say I smoked it or something.
My friends who ive done meth with a few times would not try to do it themselves if I didnt do it for them so I felt I could trust them in that theyre not gonna do anything stupid. Im not going to do it for them anymore and they know that and are comfortable with that, these people are very mature so I dont feel too bad about doing it, but I will not do it for anyone ever again, mostly because its my life as well as theirs on the line if something goes wrong and I will not go to jail for the rest of my life because someone wanted to get high, its such a huge price for something in reality so small(getting high I mean, not life).
It has taken me more than a year now to get any form of control over my IV use. I will not shoot opiates anymore because I would continue to become hopelessly dependent, like every time I try to control my opiate use. I will only shoot meth maybe once a month or less and I can control that, I feel as though I have a strong will too and I still screwed up bad with the opiates and meth. I was never seriously addicted to anything until I started banging. After my first shot of oxy I just became dependent on so many drugs, xanax, oxy/morphine, ritalin IV and meth. I just became so careless, before that I was the responsible one with drugs, all that went out the window. I only just finished rehab for the first time(ive been to rehab 3 times now) and ive seen a huge change in myself but I dont think I could bare to see a friend go through a year of hardcore IV use, it would break my heart so thats why I refuse to do people up. Im not even going to tell anyone if im IV'ing anymore, if they notice im on meth ill just say I smoked it or something.
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love2party
Bluelighter
I have booted other people up including two cousins. They came to me though wanting to do it. One of them i'm sure it was their first time. The other one i'm not sure. After I booted them up they learned how to do it themselves from other needle junkies that they where hanging out with. As you probably guessed it they both went downhill from their, though they are both off heroin now. One of them is on suboxone. Do I regret it, a little bit but ultimately it was their decision and I didn't pressure them into doing it.
My best friend did it for me my first time and boy was it good. A 40mg to the dome of an IV virgin, pure heaven, I was in love. It went down hill after that. I was scared of diseases and OD'ing, that is why I didn't want to boot up at first. I found some insulin syringes at my sis's house, her husband is a diabetic. So I was like "now I can't get disease because the needles are new". So I called my friend and traded him rigs for oxy and than he booted me up at a Raley's store bathroom.
Back than rigs where hard to come by, so their was a lot of sharing going on. Pharmacies didn't sell rigs over the counter until a law was passed a couple years later.
Take care guys and don't share rigs!
My best friend did it for me my first time and boy was it good. A 40mg to the dome of an IV virgin, pure heaven, I was in love. It went down hill after that. I was scared of diseases and OD'ing, that is why I didn't want to boot up at first. I found some insulin syringes at my sis's house, her husband is a diabetic. So I was like "now I can't get disease because the needles are new". So I called my friend and traded him rigs for oxy and than he booted me up at a Raley's store bathroom.
Back than rigs where hard to come by, so their was a lot of sharing going on. Pharmacies didn't sell rigs over the counter until a law was passed a couple years later.
Take care guys and don't share rigs!
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Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
amen to that. it's one thing that has never crossed my mind since i have started IVing.
after a little time to think about this i feel no guilt of having done virgins up for their first time. they had other people to do them up regardless of me being around or not.
my best friend who i introduced to injecting last year stopped IVing with me (he's only injected meth and mdma) and has since suffered from anxiety fairly heavily and been hospitalised with an ulcer just last week where he had to have a camera shoved up his arse and down his throat for a simple surgery. this deterred him further from going back to the needle anytime in the near future.
i however have kept off the meth for a month and a half, only injecting subutex a few weeks ago when i was out of town. we had the chance to score some meth but ultimately went without, for the better.
i actually had a dream last night which involved another bluelighter (who's an IV opiate user) and my cousin (who has never IV'd anything, let alone taken opiates recreationally) where i was shooting heroin for my first time. strangely enough the powder was brown but the solution turned out bright blue, i used no filter and there was a large amount of cut left in the bag that looked like epsom salts or glucose, fucking dreams and distortion. it was quite bizaar that i didnt wake up craving something to shoot. it was just one of those "meh" feelings
i still have the desire to go back to injecting in the future, but when and what i don't know yet.
the_ketaman
Bluelighter
Im so glad to hear from either full on addicts or just regular users that sharing needles in mostly something of the past. I mean, obviously it still does happen but most people with common sense no matter how hooked they are will not share fits. I have certainly been to the depths of IV addiction opiates and meth and I have never even contemplated sharing a needle, dickheads have offered me a used needle or asked if they could use mine after me and either way I said fuck no. It is something I am 100% confident I will never do. I once shared a tourniquet before I knew it was possible for blood to be carried on one from one person to another and I fucking freaked out of a looooong time until the few months were over and I got tested again and tested negative. There are more ways to catch blood borne viruses from just sharing a needle. In rehab most people just thought you could catch hepc/b or HIV only from sharing a needle but Ive made sure everyone I know that injects is well informed and they know not to share tourniquets, needles, spoons, cottons and water, diseases can be transmitted from all of those things so you gotta be super careful. I fix up my shot and do it alone most of the time, even if I have to wait for someone else to do up or anything like that, im super paranoid bout all that shit but that just means im super safe which im happy with.
Good on all you who are smart enough to steer clear of sharing equipment...and to all you who have shared or have contracted something, im in no way calling you stupid, im sure you have learned your lesson and while you may not be able to take it back you can educate people so they dont end up in the horrible position yourself and others are in, it can all be prevented.
But ya know what else, I think the injecting drug user community seems to be a lot smarter than most people who have casual sex. Tons of people dont give a fuck about condoms and think nothing will ever happen(until it does) which is really sad, I mean safe sex facts are everywhere, TV, Posters, internet, schools, chemists etc...I really dont see why more people dont participate in safe sex. I must admit I lost my virginity in an unsafe manner and im just lucky my partner was clean( and we went out for like 2 years too ) but next time I have sex I will be wearing a rubber for sure, if they dont like that then they miss out on one of the if not THE best dick in the world (lol im being a smartass). Just stay safe people.
Good on all you who are smart enough to steer clear of sharing equipment...and to all you who have shared or have contracted something, im in no way calling you stupid, im sure you have learned your lesson and while you may not be able to take it back you can educate people so they dont end up in the horrible position yourself and others are in, it can all be prevented.
But ya know what else, I think the injecting drug user community seems to be a lot smarter than most people who have casual sex. Tons of people dont give a fuck about condoms and think nothing will ever happen(until it does) which is really sad, I mean safe sex facts are everywhere, TV, Posters, internet, schools, chemists etc...I really dont see why more people dont participate in safe sex. I must admit I lost my virginity in an unsafe manner and im just lucky my partner was clean( and we went out for like 2 years too
) but next time I have sex I will be wearing a rubber for sure, if they dont like that then they miss out on one of the if not THE best dick in the world (lol im being a smartass). Just stay safe people.burn2shine
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In the dope game there are no friends, just acquantances. Trainspotting's the shit.
Swerlz
Bluelight Crew
I have never told my friends of my IV adventures, but if one of them asked me about it and if I could set them up, I'd probably help them out. I'd rather help than watch them miss or end up all marked up
the_ketaman
Bluelighter
I just know that if more of my friends knew about my Iv use, that at least a few of them would become curious and ask me to either do it for them or show them and in the end I bet id lose a lot of friends. I could see all of my friend who would choose not to Iv to blame me for all these addictions, I could see the IV users blaming me for their addictions and if someone just happened to die shooting up something and even if I wasnt present, I would get blamed for it all, I can see it like it's happening.
I cant risk all that, im so glad none of my hometown friends ever asked me to shoot them up or even really questioned me about my own use, it would cause way too much shit in the community and I could even see it going as far as people I dont even know just looking at me as the "*** ***" <hometown) junkie. Theres already this obviously schizophrenic guy who EVERYONE thinks is stuck in an acid trip, I feel bad enough for this poor fella, I dont wanna be a known druggo. the only actual junkies I know are all crazy meth addicts who do home invasions, stab people, ight people and rob people any way they can. I know no IV users with morals or a life in this town at all and I could just see that if one of my friends or aquaintences got into injecting they would end up one of these losers. I am honestly the only Iv user I know who has morals, who doesnt steal for their fix and who tries to live an honest life.
Im just glad it was the last generation where alot of the kids ended up IV speed addicts, my generation is all about the e pills, eating speed, smoking pot and drinking which is boring to me but id rather that that a bunch of fucked up junkies as friends, responsible Iv user friends would be ok but it probly wouldnt be the best in the end.
I cant risk all that, im so glad none of my hometown friends ever asked me to shoot them up or even really questioned me about my own use, it would cause way too much shit in the community and I could even see it going as far as people I dont even know just looking at me as the "*** ***" <hometown) junkie. Theres already this obviously schizophrenic guy who EVERYONE thinks is stuck in an acid trip, I feel bad enough for this poor fella, I dont wanna be a known druggo. the only actual junkies I know are all crazy meth addicts who do home invasions, stab people, ight people and rob people any way they can. I know no IV users with morals or a life in this town at all and I could just see that if one of my friends or aquaintences got into injecting they would end up one of these losers. I am honestly the only Iv user I know who has morals, who doesnt steal for their fix and who tries to live an honest life.
Im just glad it was the last generation where alot of the kids ended up IV speed addicts, my generation is all about the e pills, eating speed, smoking pot and drinking which is boring to me but id rather that that a bunch of fucked up junkies as friends, responsible Iv user friends would be ok but it probly wouldnt be the best in the end.
Captain.Heroin
Bluelight Crew
Alright, here's a situation I've found myself in at the moment and previously. I've been injecting drugs a few years now and along the way a few of my friends have picked up the habit and eventually learning the process themselves. A common factor amongst these stories is I've always regularly booted them up, I've been the doctor
This grows greatly on my conscience for two reasons. One being that I don't want them to go the next step and actually learn for themselves. Even though I'd be totally comfortable after a while with them knowing the process I always have the guilt of being the "enabler" on so many ocassions before which is brings me to reason two. I would feel somewhat the cause for them getting into IVing in the first place.
Has this situation ever popped up with anyone else? How did you handle it? Are you still friends with these people or did they slip under the radar like so many do? I'm interested in hearing other peoples stories about this. I'll definitely have something more constructed to add later on.
Excellent topic Lefty.
This one person I know turned out to be a total fiend for IVing buprenorphine (wanted to redose every 20 minutes). On top of this he wanted to heat the solution (causing the corn starch to become soluble
![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
) - it's best to let people learn for themselves, if they are going to. If someone is going to do it themselves, it's OK to help them out or whatever, but it's definitely nothing I would push on anyone.
johanneschimpo
Bluelighter
^ sounds like the type of guy who'd smoke cigarettes, no doubt. fiends.