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so your coming off H and your using Bupe, what then?

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Ok i'm coming off a 18 month binge. i plan to taper down with the H and when i run out and when the withdrawals kick in pop a 2mg bupe. now after the 2mg bupe wears off what happens then? do the heroin withdrawals come back on when the bupe runs off, or will it be more milder as a result?

or is there no way to avoid paying the reaper?

edit: though its daily use its probably no more then say 20mg a day, with big 100mg weekends
 
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yeah what a shame.

man the market is ripe for a drug that is non-addictive yet mitigates your withdrawal symptoms, just a tablet that you pop when your withdrawals are in full swing and it basically turns down from a category 5 withdrawal to a mild tropical storm.

who will join me in my fantasy land. There is a strict no clothing rule for females.
 
I think your best bet would be to get some more bupe. Taper of the gear, then taper off the bupe. If you can't get any more, try some of the other methods in the thread listed above. I've found benzo's, clonidine, loperamide and even vitamin c to help. There's not much help I can offer, it's fucking hard no matter what you do unfortunately, feel sorry for you.
 
chugs said:
Ok i'm coming off a 18 month binge. i plan to taper down with the H and when i run out and when the withdrawals kick in pop a 2mg bupe. now after the 2mg bupe wears off what happens then? do the heroin withdrawals come back on when the bupe runs off, or will it be more milder as a result?

or is there no way to avoid paying the reaper?

edit: though its daily use its probably no more then say 20mg a day, with big 100mg weekends
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only if you switch from H to the bupe ONLY for a week or 2 you will get WD's from the bupe,they last about 2 weekss (like half the time smack WD's last) and also WD's are alot less harsh.this is 2nd hand info from one of my best mates so yer take it with a pinch of salt :)
 
junkie skumbag said:
only if you switch from H to the bupe ONLY for a week or 2 you will get WD's from the bupe,they last about 2 weekss (like half the time smack WD's last) and also WD's are alot less harsh.this is 2nd hand info from one of my best mates so yer take it with a pinch of salt :)
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um smack withdrawals for me last 2 days....i think i'll take the smack withdrawals over bupe withdrawals if the bupe withdrawals last 2 weeks.

i just hate waiting for the withdrawals to kick in. it really drags out. I wish i could get my hands on something that would precipitate the withdrawals (but not bupe because after 2 hours the bupe kicks in). I just want to go straight onto full blown withdrawals.
 
Tell your dr you're al alcoholic and would like to try some naltrexone, that shit will get you feeling just how you want.
 
^ That is correct actually.

Opioid antagonists (not partial agonist's like bupe) should force you into W/D's effectively instantly. No idea how you'd go about getting some legitimately though. Does kinda make sense to me. :\

Your probably well into the 'fun' bit by now anyway. Best of luck!
 
chugs said:
Ok i'm coming off a 18 month binge. i plan to taper down with the H and when i run out and when the withdrawals kick in pop a 2mg bupe. now after the 2mg bupe wears off what happens then? do the heroin withdrawals come back on when the bupe runs off, or will it be more milder as a result?

or is there no way to avoid paying the reaper?

edit: though its daily use its probably no more then say 20mg a day, with big 100mg weekends
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i havnt read any of the rplys but:

you cant just take 2mg of bupe and make your H WD's magicly disappear.the idea with bupe is to switch from H to bupe and keep raising your dose until you feel "ok" then once your stable you slowly taper your dose down.Yes you will get WD's when you stop using bupe but they are NO WAY as bad as H WD's and only last about 2 weeks compaird to 8 weeks like with H.bupe also semi blocks opiates so if you do give in and you some smcak while your on bupe you will need a higher dose to reach the effects your after....also if you have been using H for 18 months im assuming your tollorince will be pretty high.When u start the program in the chemist they start you off with 8mg so im not sure if 2mg will be enough for somone with a high tollorince.it will still take the edge off but your chasin a buzz you will need more than 2mg.....hope this helps PLUR :D
 
^ H withdrawals don't last 8 weeks. If you mean PAWS, that happens with all opiates, even maintenance drugs like bupe. Post Acute Withdrawal is not "withdrawal", they are symptoms which linger after the acute withdrawal is finished. That's why they call it Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome I guess.
 
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^ H withdrawals don't last 8 weeks. If you mean PAWS, that happens with all opiates, even maintenance drugs like bupe. Post Acute Withdrawal is not "withdrawal", they are symptoms which linger after the acute withdrawal is finished. That's why they call it Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome I guess.
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well im not a big H user thats what i been told just tryin to do the right thing n passin on info that i've been told :) maybe i was mistaken and he said days not weeks sorry :D

The longest i've had WD's from bupe was 2 days so yeah
 
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benzos. just only take em for a few weeks when u quit the bupe. then taper off then benzos with valium. easy
 
chugs said:
um smack withdrawals for me last 2 days....i think i'll take the smack withdrawals over bupe withdrawals if the bupe withdrawals last 2 weeks.

i just hate waiting for the withdrawals to kick in. it really drags out. I wish i could get my hands on something that would precipitate the withdrawals (but not bupe because after 2 hours the bupe kicks in). I just want to go straight onto full blown withdrawals.
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Naltrexone does kick in withdrawals straight away, I'm prescribed it and have taken it when I thought I'd waited long enough after my opie binge but hadn't, it put me into withdrawal within 30 minutes. I don't believe that it just brings them on quicker though, I actually think it makes your withdrawals worse than they need to be. Because it immediately pushes out any residual opioids in your system, but you still need to wait the same amount of time for your body/brain to upregulate your opioid receptors to a normal level. It brings the withdrawal on quicker, but doesn't make them shorter.

I'm surprised/jealous your heroin wd lasts only 2 days for you though. I've never used heroin exclusively, but my withdrawals usually only peak at 36-48 hours, then take at least as much time, usually more, to subside.
 
chugs said:
Ok i'm coming off a 18 month binge. i plan to taper down with the H and when i run out and when the withdrawals kick in pop a 2mg bupe.....
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If you're coming off a binge, 2mg bube at any time will most definitely have any (or very little) help with your WD unfortunately.

I do want to say, if you are serious about getting off the gear there's many people on here (myself included. Happy to help/advice!) who can steer you in the right direction! Tbh (and of course take my advice/experience with what you will :) ) other drugs such as benzos generally don't help/deal with the problem well. Not if one is serious about quitting.

However as others have said, there's no way to get off it without feeling some discomfort - fact, deal.

I've seen it and tbh would recommend a bupe (even, and this maybe a personal choice, over 'done!) program. Having said that, even with bupe you will experience WD somewhat. In fact - due to how the program and combination of buprenorphine/naloxone work - in order to even go on a bupe program you must put yourself into a state of withdrawal**! The main reason for this is otherwise, the bupe/nalox combo, once taken will put you into that state - it's actually called precipitated withdrawal - and can actually be worst the "naturally" putting yourself there.


footscrazy said:
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I'm surprised/jealous your heroin wd lasts only 2 days for you though.
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Even now it surprises me the extent natural bio-variability people experience things from person to person. As most people would attest to though, it's not the physical addiction which is generally the problem. :\ sad.


** When I say "put yourself there", I don't mean to the point of hospitalisation or the like. Actually when entering the program your assigned nurse will go through the specifics.
 
Good post Tyrael. Some good points. Your bolding of serious is important. So often WD is just to get the buzz back.

I find that WD is done, medically, the wrong way round. Before I ever used H, I was IVing Physeptone. Methadone is so hard to come off. I used H to get off methadone then turkeyed off H. Easy. 3 days of pain then gone. It used to take me 5 days for the done WD just to get real bad. Yer, use H to get off methadone addiction.

The same is for benzos. Medically they will switch you to diaz from say alpraz then cut down slowly. - A full year of discipline that wont even include any alcohol let alone any other chemicals. Take a look at the Ashton Manual.

I prefer to change to alprazalam, get drunk for a week and it is all over.

My preference is to change to short lasting chemicals then suffer a lot for a short time. Do you want 3 or 4 days of H pain or years of lining up at the judgmental pharmacists (sorry for the judgmental attitude pharmacists).

I think I am off topic but feel strongly about this.

The after addiction depression is a whole other thread and I would hope it would head away from taking anti-depressants. Does this thread exist already? /ramble
 
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I prefer to change to alprazalam, get drunk for a week and it is all over.
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The problem there, though, is that alcohol is going to do nothing to prevent seizures during benzodiazepine WD and for me at least, alcohol did not assist with my benzodiazepine taper/WD symptoms in the slightest. I am not a big fan of alcohol though, so on the second point mileage may vary of course.
 
chugs said:
um smack withdrawals for me last 2 days....i think i'll take the smack withdrawals over bupe withdrawals if the bupe withdrawals last 2 weeks.

i just hate waiting for the withdrawals to kick in. it really drags out. I wish i could get my hands on something that would precipitate the withdrawals (but not bupe because after 2 hours the bupe kicks in). I just want to go straight onto full blown withdrawals.
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why would you want to go into precipitated WD? Sounds like a decent habit to me. I think there are advantages to going cold turkey to kick a dope habit, but with a little aid and planing won't hurt if done right....

what do you think about tramadol? Lots of people don't rate it, but i think its very handy for WD and also piss easy to get. you could get a script of tramadol say the 20x200mg SR tablets would last a week or so, and then use the 2mg of suboxone and wella! if only it were that easy.... IMO tramadol has bugger all euphoria, but seems to go to the body more making better for holding the WD symptoms, and it's got decent legs and builds nicely in your system(unless you get addicted to it then it's fucked)

like a handful of people have already said. this wont be like passing go and collecting $200. it could very well take the edge off though and make it not so terrible without prolonging it at all. tramadol would be interesting to try in your situation IMO
 
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