So, You Want to Smoke the Fake Weed?

slimvictor

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Recently I received a phone call from an unknown number, which I usually don’t answer, but thought I would- just this time… It was a ladies' voice. She started with general chit chat, about the weather (because it was a beautiful day) and she thought I might be busy in my garden. I said “No, I’m not too busy!” She started asking me if I wanted her to "call me back later, like at some other time- because maybe I didn’t have time to talk with her.” Again, I said “No, it's fine!” She sounded like she was having second thoughts about calling me.

I mostly listened to this nervous rambling, trying to figure out if this was a prank call –or serious- until she told me who gave her my number.. and just FYI, I really thought I might smack the person who gave out my number to a stranger, but the lady on the other end sounded afraid. So to make her feel more comfortable, I said “Is everything ok? You sound nervous, can I help you with anything?” …Then came a moment of silence.. She hesitantly said she was calling me because (in her own words) “You’re a plant person”…

I thought Whew! Ok great- its about plants! (One of my favorite top three subjects). She began to ask if I had I ever heard about a product being sold in our convenient stores and and head shops, or “new age”or “modern” tobacco shops- known as Fake Weed.. (insert the sound of a scratched record)… And then there was awkward silence on her end - and on mine. I mustered a nervous laugh, and said "Ummmmm" ?? (I was nervous because I suddenly felt like I was catapulted into the twilight zone.) More silence on her end, so I asked “Are you still there?” She peeped out a quiet “yes.” I immediately knew she was serious - and I realized that NO, I was not in the twilight zone…

Now back to those awkward silent moments on the phone. I joke about it now, but at the time, I didn’t know if I should be offended at her description of me being a “plant person” while inquiring about this fake weed, or should I be flattered - that somebody would have the confidence or the need to trust my opinion on said fake weed… especially since we don’t even know each other. Hmmm.

Anyways, I began to tell her that I have heard of it and that I do know that it goes by many different names - and claims to be anything from an incense to a bath salt. I explained that these psychoactive herbal and chemical products are known as a “synthetic cannabis,” and when consumed are supposed to mimic the effects of cannabis, or marijuana.

I've seen the products in the convenience stores. Have you? You know the ones - in the glass cabinets - right beside the fancy water bongs, pipes, plant grinders, and such. The smokable products claim to be an Aromatic Potpourri Herbal Incense and go by different names like: MaryJane Permagrin (really?) Burny, VooDoo, Spizz, Zombie Killa, K2 and I even saw one called Poison. (Well, at least they got one thing right in that name!!!). The products claim to be legal, natural and some even say JWH free. (Look up JWH-018 or JWH-073 or HU-210.)

They usually contain certain herbs like:

Alviae Folium: (if you go to the USDA Plants Database, you will not even find this! To google it brings up Salviae which when used orally as an essential oil, can cause convulsions, but when smoked can cause hallucinations - and just FYI, Salvia divinorum is sold in a baggy as a dried herb that looks just like a bag of marijuana - and comes complete with the said hallucinations, whether mild or intense) nice.

Next, Turneria diffusa (commonly known as Damiana, has a long history of being an aphrodisiac but also used to relieve excess mental activity, seriously?).

Another one, Verbascum Thapsus (commonly known as Aaron’s Rod or Great Mullein. Native Americans smoked it with tobacco to relieve coughing spasms, used like an expectorant. Studies have shown that Mullein also contains derivatives of coumarin!)

And last but not least we bring you Artemisia vulgaris (has a number of recorded historic uses in food and herbal medicine but must be used with caution because it contains coumarin derivatives. Also contains a small percentage of an oil called thujone - which is toxic in both large amounts and/or prolonged intake. It's also known to induce uterine contraction during pregnancy, but also increases heart rate in the user. And when burned creates a heat of its own which could explain the “burning up” sensation people get.)

Feel free to google any of the herbs. Most have been used medicinally for hundreds of years, but usually in a controlled environment, by herbalists who know what they are doing.

I also want to mention a similar product called Spice (synthetic cannabinoid). It can contain any number of herbs like Canavalia maritime, Nymphaea caerulea, Scutellaria nana, Pedicularis densiflora, Leonotis leonuris, Zornia latifolia, Nelumbo nucifera andLeonuris sibiricus. (Just FYI people- when these products were tested, they did not even contain the herbs it claims- but mostly contained tocopherol, another synthetic cannabis chemical).

The products even come with a warning on the package that says “Not for Human Consumption.” You can even purchase different weights, like 2 ounces (that can cost $35.00 before tax) or 4 oz -and you can buy this stuff in different strength “mixtures” as well. Now, because I am a studious and sincere “plant person,” I explained to the lady on the phone, that it’s NOT a good idea to use this and that I would strongly recommend that she steer clear. Mainly because I am familiar with the herbs that are listed and I do know that they can be dangerous in certain doses, the molecular properties of the plant can change when burned - and most importantly, they add chemicals known as “research drugs” to the plant mixture to be able to call it “incense.” Wow! Key words: Research Drugs. These Research drugs, are used in research to see “if our bodies will metabolize them into a carcinogen.” Yikes!...

Some people might want to argue that there is nothing dangerous about these products, but lets think about Poison Ivy. Not everybody is allergic to it in plant sap form. But when it is burned, the molecular structure is changed, and the smoke is highly poisonous - to everybody - whether you are allergic or not. On top of that, these products contains chemicals, like the research drug JWH. Some even claim that they do Not contain JWH.

People, this is definitely a sensitive subject and I'm positive that people don’t want to talk about it in certain circles… and just so you know, my certain “circle of life” is actually square. Yes, I grew up in the 80’s and there were plenty of things back then to distract us from the “right road” but now, our young folks have so much more to be distracted with! There are too many designer drugs like this out there, that are not what they claim to be! On top of everything, it can all be purchased in a local convenient store, a gas station and easily found on the Internet.

Very little is known about the long-term effects as of right now, and my gut feeling tells me that until people use this for a while, we won't know the worst side of all this. I feel really bad for the guinea pig folks and the uninformed folks. Which will be our younger crowd - and some older people.

cont at
http://cumming.patch.com/articles/so-you-want-to-smoke-the-fake-weed
 
An interesting perspective on the potential dangers of synthetic cannabinoid blends; up 'till now the attention has been put on possible toxicity of the synthetic cannabinoids themselves, and this sheds light on the potential ill effects caused by smoking the carrier leaf.

Interesting, thanks for posting.
 
Thank you for that helpful comment dexter, really improved the quality of the entire thread.

good read! :)
 
That said, surely, with adequate research in using the actual psychoactive chemicals that comprise such products, you would be fine with its use?

I know you likely had the best of intentions, but I must point out that as a "plant-man" you benefit from a negative general perspective on.subtances such as the ones you decry here. Not accusing you of anything untoward, just pointing out a fact that must alter the perception of your argument at least a little.

I do agree with you, for the most part. I just think that with an attitude of ignorance towards new substances, we'd never have such marvels as LSD, MDMA, or whatever synthesized drug you want to insert. There is a place for these chems, just probably not randomly strewn upon organic leaf/flower material and smoked by the layman.
 
Fake weed is just wrong, it may be the only drug, well drug combination, that I feel is bad...just get a whizzinator, and smoke real weed, fuck the synthetics
 
Medically, cannabinoid analogues could be a godsend for the tat net of cancer and other ailments that we have failed to cure...but recreationally, I'm always gonna be happy with my natural weed!
 
I've had a bit of jwh-018 and 073...I did enjoy them, a lot, every sat bit of the gram of each I had...but I did take it a bit too far once or twice and experienced some pretty intense sensations of moving extremely fast and weird sensations in my head...I am fine and everything, it's not like I am damaged or anything...but after reading a couple reports of people who smoked jwh on a daily basis for a long time, I have been scared away from them...li read about this one guy who just continually used it synthetic cannabinoids and it got to the point where he was hypersensitive to alcohol and regular weed, he couldn't drink more then 2 or 3 beers or take a bong hit without becoming faint and having crazy anxiety, he even claimed to black out some times... I found a few other reports similar to that but not as bad, and it just makes me want to stick to natural weed....don't get me wrong I am very fond of many synthetic drugs, but with weed it just smells so good and tastes so good, u cant (atleast I can't) over do it, like I can with synthetics, I have never felt like I od'd on weed, but with the jwhs I have felt that way atleast half a dozen times....but everybody to their own, whatever makes u happy...I just feel like with something so natural and awesome that is so safe why would u want to fuck with something synthetic instead....I have a friend who has used a whizzinator for years and I just don't see why there is much need to fuck with the synthetics, they just don't feel right to me..but like I said, if people can use them without getting hurt I'm not condemning them or anything, I just would prefer the real stuff is all
 
^ The problem is that we don't know if people can use them without getting hurt.
And I also vastly prefer the real stuff.
If it were all legal, we would not have to worry about these kind of things.
They could be doing research to find out which synthetics will kill you or give you cancer, and which might cure cancer.
And all the while, the researchers could be smoking bongloads of natural flowers called Alaskan Thunderfuck or Purple Haze.
 
That would be quite wonderful...but instead our world has decided to go to war with plants, I have always felt like in a hundred years or hopefully less, people will look back on the drug war like it is as stupid and weird as it is
 
I love this shit, lets wait until someone dies from an adverse effect and use it as another reason why they should legalise cannabis.
 
dont try synthetics, you'll regret it as soon as you feel the high. i could honestly feel it destroying by brain and body
 
Don't smoke synthetic weed. A lot of people do not know just how dangerous this stuff is. It has nowhere near the safety record of real marijuana (which is pretty damn good) and the stuff has a way of frequently turning on you with you never expecting it (e.g. horrible trips for no reason). The scariest part is that it can cause permanent paralysis and inability to communicate which can also be permanent. Even worse, people have actually died from the stuff which simply can't be said about real marijuana. The other thing about it is that it does not simply get you high like weed does, even in low doses it gives you more of a psychedelic experience kind of like what you'd get if you took a very, very high dose of edibles. In high doses, you will trip very, very hard but have uncomfortable body sensations that could make you have the worst trip of your life. I haven't used it myself, but I have friends who have and none of them recommended it in any way
 
I love this shit, lets wait until someone dies from an adverse effect and use it as another reason why they should legalise cannabis.

Pretty sure quite a few people have sadly died from using it, but since your comment was from 2012 that might not have been the case then, but I think there would have been some deaths from it even then (at a guess)..

I agree with the 2 comments above, fake weed is horrible, I bought 2 grams from a tobacconist about 4 or 5 yrs ago when it was legal here in Aus, that kronic shit, and the effects it had on me were scary and I ended up throwing it away. I would never buy or use it again and I would not recommend it to anyone. But people can do what they like of course, just my experience with it was awful.
 
the part where he lists the herbs is wrong. the spice packets list a bunch of herbs to make you think "wow they synergistically act to mimic weed" so you don't jump to the (correct) conclusion that the shit is laced but judging from the bags i've gotten it's almost always just marshmallow leaf.
 
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