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So Who Likes Benzos? Ver III: Blackouts and Amnesia

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^^ Funny that... Being that they are both of the benzodiazepine family, clonazepam and alprazolam.

Also benzo's lack any serious toxic effects.
 
You guys can believe whatever you want to believe. I'll keep providing science though to illustrate my points. I'm here to warn people of the dangers of benzos... this thread needs balance. People may read through this and think that benzos are benign drugs, which is far from the truth.

On the topic of toxicity, if you don't like the reasoning behind comas being an accurate measure of toxicity, do you consider deformed sperm to be a toxic effect? Downregulated receptors? Deadly withdrawals? These drugs have debilitating effects all over the body. This is a HR website and the truth will be told, regardless of the number of people rolling eyes at me.
 
Read this

I have gone through excruciating benzodiazepine withdrawals which I think were more painful than Heroin withdrawals. I'm not saying they are benign safe drugs, just that they are relatively safe on the toxic scale. the LD50 of Alprazolam is something like 15grams.
 
^She does say that they can be benign, but she goes on to describe multiple ways that they are toxic. Like all things, toxicity is dose dependent... She says as much. Also, as much as I love Prof. Ashton, she wrote this in like the late 80's / early 90's and there is much more information available nowadays on negative effects of benzodiazepines.

I'm not arguing with you specifically, benzos can be useful for sure. They can be seriously detrimental in many cases however, and I just want people to know specifically where the danger lies. Many people do not even realize that benzos make many people aggressive and suicidal, and wonder why they feel this way.

As I was saying in earlier posts, choosing a benzo wisely makes a huge difference. Understanding the nature of the drugs in general helps even more. I just want people to make informed decisions.
 
Pegasus said:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2548618/pdf/bmj00577-0021.pdf

Chart at the top of page 2...
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Cheers for that my compeer; I'm just about to crash out but will read through that in the morning. Have it saved to my collection of studies and journal articles. :)

Damn my benzodiazepine tolerance has risen fast; I might need to take a break if I'm going to get the most out of my temazepam and alprazolam. So far I've just been using temazepam 60-80mg with my codeine... what does everyone think of using alprazolam instead?
 
haven't you found the effects of codeine are lessened when combined with alprazolam?
i would have thought a few diazepam would be more of a better mix if you are using too many temazepam.

temazepam is so subtle once you build any kind of tolerance, it sucks :(
i recently had 60mg temazepam and 2mg of alprazolam and it was a great mix lol, very relaxing.
60mg temazepam on its own does sweet fuck all though, so no idea how it would interact with codeine.
 
^ Yeah I did find that once, but given that it was a one time experiment I'm willing to try it again especially if others think that it might work out well. I was thinking dose the codeine, then 20 minutes later or so use the alprazolam.

And that is true about temazepam losing it's luster quickly... belarki and I were having that same conversation tonight actually. I don't have much of a benzodiazepine tolerance, so 60mg with codeine was fairly alright with nice muscle relaxing properties and increased sedation. I still like lorazepam the best though. :)
 
i think diazepam, temazepam and lorazepam will give you a much more noticeable overall body relaxation and sedation when compared to alprazolam.
i guess it really depends on your tolerance to some of the less pronounced properties of alrazolam as that will play a big part in the degree of full body relaxation - it may just give you a clear, calm head with some sedation.

from what you have said about lorazepam earlier in the thread it does indeed a good overall benzo, perhaps a mix between alprazolam and diazepam.

let us know how you go if you change it up, id be keen to hear you're thoughts on alprazolam a second time around :)
i know it goes extremely well with methadone mmm :D, and seeing as i dont get the standard effects from codeine i can only imagine it would be a similar effect when mixing the two.
 
I don't like to mix benzos with my methadone. I'm just a mess and it's blackout time. Not pretty.

Here alprazolam comes in .25 and .50 tablets, no more. But the 2mg clonazepam tablets are everywhere.
 
Woooord.... ^

Couple weeks on the bars and its like ... damn 2mg isn't cutting that chesty anxiety feeling any more.. better drop 3mg..

next week its 4mg

then your bottle runs out! :-P


Then you find yourself chasing something with the xannies... i dunno. GF hates em .. i love em... well she more hates ME on them :-P

for weeks at a time anyways... I go through a binge every two months or so for like a month.
 
^ Benzo abuse, yes. Benzo use, no.

I take them only to sleep at night. They continue to perfectly work at this day, providing me a good 7 hours of happy sleep. This despite using them since 2010.
 
Mr Blonde I personally find alprazolam one of, if not the least interesting benzo's to mix with opiates, that said if your tolerance to temazepam is rising then mixing it up with some alpraz will probably yield decent results for you.

Personally I like to dose my benzo's before or with codeine, that way you have the synergy between the two the whole time. I suppose if you wanted to feel the opiate high on its own for a bit then have the sedation last longer then dropping the alpraz 20-30 mins in would do the trick. Most benzo's I would dose a bit before drinking my CWE but given the quick onset of alpraz I find it works well to take at the same time.
 
Word of caution with alprazolam, it is much more addicting than most other benzos. IIRC there were shown to be withdrawal symptoms after eight days in one study. Also there is the issue of interdose rebound effects... just something to keep in mind! Good luck
 
^^^ its scary how quik n easy it can get u , i thought i was fine , took 5 days off then copped full blown withdrawels n seizure , doc wrote a emergency script n left it at front desk for my mum to pikcup , took a brick n was back to reality within 60 mins

now im weening off them

also , wats a good dose to change bak to valium? im now on 8-9mg daily , used to be 12mg+ b4 started weening off em
 
you will need to get down to a much lower dose of xanax before going valium man.
maybe even something like a combo of the two (unlikely with you :P) or some clonazepam instead first.

you would eat a box of valium a day.
 
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