So Who Likes Benzos? Ver III: Blackouts and Amnesia

[leigh12]

u can smoke please it? please explain how and effects if u have time.

As I like smokings thins i.e ice, weed, DMT. But a smokable benzo sound wicked.

lol theres a utube vid of sum goonbag smokin a temaz thru a bong , just watchin it hurts my throat

 

[SpiritFolk]

Lol ouch

 

[Pegasus]

Apparently phenazepam can be smoked...

There definitely needs to be balanced discussion on benzodiazepines. They are very powerful and addicting drugs, and the withdrawal is hell. I think the best approach is to talk about them in a truthful way and emphasize where caution is most needed. For example, the benzos with shorter half-lifes are by far more addicting than the ones with shorter half-lifes. Because of this, the benzos with longer half-lifes should be recommended first. There are also certain benzos that are more toxic to the body (temazepam is by far #1 in this respect), and so caution should certainly be exercised with these. Most important of all is that benzos are not a benign treatment and addiction to them is not to be taken lightly. Significant cognitive impairment is a direct result of benzodiazepine treatment and benzodiazepine withdrawal.

Anyone interested in benzos needs to heed the warnings.

 

[The-Future]

I've just started taking xanax.

I've had some problems with insomnia and some social anxiety. I've made it very clear to my doctor that I'm not depressed but these problems are affecting my social, study and work commitments. I also think the sleeping problem is the root cause of my anxiety, funnily enough the only thing doctors will prescribe me is anti-depressants. Since I'm young I think most doctors want to keep me away from the addictive stuff, I don't know, it seems kinda off that they all want to push anti-depressants onto me when I don't feel any sort of depression.

Anyway after being fed up with the doctors diagnosis, I took matters into my own hands and got my hands on some xanax. It's put me back into a good sleeping pattern and I've found that I can go out to clubs/bars on a xanax bar (half a bar at first then the other half a few hours later) and I feel content, socialable and relaxed without drinking. I think I actually have more fun on xanax then alcohol, but alcohol has never been too enjoyable for me.

I think Xanax is a great drug but I'm after some advice on moderation and tolerance of xanax as I'm aware of it's potential addiction and horrible withdraw symptoms. I'm not taking it every day, only social occasions which happen 2-3 times a week. Is this safe?

 

[drug_FUCKED]

Apparently phenazepam can be smoked...

There definitely needs to be balanced discussion on benzodiazepines. They are very powerful and addicting drugs, and the withdrawal is hell. I think the best approach is to talk about them in a truthful way and emphasize where caution is most needed. For example, the benzos with shorter half-lifes are by far more addicting than the ones with shorter half-lifes. Because of this, the benzos with longer half-lifes should be recommended first. There are also certain benzos that are more toxic to the body (temazepam is by far #1 in this respect), and so caution should certainly be exercised with these. Most important of all is that benzos are not a benign treatment and addiction to them is not to be taken lightly. Significant cognitive impairment is a direct result of benzodiazepine treatment and benzodiazepine withdrawal.

Anyone interested in benzos needs to heed the warnings.

So we should recommend hynodorm because it has long half life?

Yes you can snort hypnodorm/rohypnol its pretty funny because it has this blue dye in it and you get blue/green snot. Also it can be smoked i recall trying but i thought it was stupid as its was mostly fillers. It did something not much i suspect most is wasted. Snorting works faster but i just eat them.
Yeah i seen people smoking temazepam back in the day of the liquid gels and people used to inject that as well which lead them getting replaced with shit tablets. I really liked the gels compared to the tablets which i recon suck.

Dont bother smoking any pharm benzo tablet, if you got phenaz you can always smoke that heard its pretty strong if smoked. If you want a benzo to hit you fast try to get liquid clonazepam its tastes so good, even the concentrate for injection does and just let it sit under your tongue. Midazalam comes on really quick nasally, IV and IM.

 

[drug_mentor]

^^ might try that one nxt instead of goin bak to valium
do u notice u wake up feeling good ?, not high by any means, just normal , n not feeling like u need a benzo.
say how valium does, coz of the long half life .

Nah not really, I notice that anytime I take a good dose of valium but ony really with bromaz if I took the dose at night. It is a good anxiolytic benzo but since the strongest tablet is 6mg (roughly equal to 10mg diaze but less sedating and a bit shorter lasting) you would have to eat a shitload considering your xanax tolerance. As they are not covered by PBS it would probably hurt your wallet a bit.

 

[debaser]

Took some nitrazepam (5mg) to sleep this night instead of my usual loprazolam (1mg). It's weaker. Next night I'll take 10mg.

 

[Mr Blonde]

There are also certain benzos that are more toxic to the body (temazepam is by far #1 in this respect)

Do you have a reference for this claim that temazepam is relatively more 'toxic' then other benzodiazepines?

 

[pinkanga]

They are rather 'more-ish' arent they (xanax I mean). About this time last year I obtained a full box 10mg Roche diaz's and kinda went nuts on 'em. Didnt really worry about withdrawals etc while I had them, and it was only after I ran out and had one really bad arvo (after a day of stims 'n' videogames) that it occurred to me that it was kinda irresponsible to just munch them at such a rate.

I noticed I was getting slightly blurry vision at work too. Anyway, nothing too bad came of it luckily.

I guess the point of my post is, for experienced benzo users, as far as xanax goes how much/often do think it would take before getting serious withdrawal issues after cessation of use?

 

[Pegasus]

Do you have a reference for this claim that temazepam is relatively more 'toxic' then other benzodiazepines?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2548618/pdf/bmj00577-0021.pdf

Chart at the top of page 2...

 

[Pegasus]

So we should recommend hynodorm because it has long half life?

Flunitrazepam is a hypnotic so a long half-life is not advantageous. Remember that you can't compare hypnotic benzos to anxiolytic benzos. Flunitrazepam is another of the more toxic, sedating benzos like temazepam and so it probably shouldn't be recommended in many situations at all.

The benzos that are more sedating are more toxic generally, and the ones with shorter half-lifes are generally more addicting. The benzos that would be smartest for anxiety are the less sedating and longer lasting ones, off the top of my head, ones like clonazepam, clorazepate, chlordiazepoxide, and even diazepam are much wiser than alprazolam, lorazepam, etc. There are exceptions to the half-life generalization like oxazepam, but this could be explained by the comparatively milder effects of oxazepam.

 

[drug_FUCKED]

toxic? what do you mean by toxic? Are you sure you dont mean dangerous?
Some people find xanax works better for sleep

 

[pinkanga]

One thing Ive noticed with xanax compared to valium is that it doesnt work as well at reducing the nasty withdrawal effects from codeine.

Basically if I go 24-48-72 hrs without codeine I wake up feeling pretty shitty. A shower and a coffee plus a nice sit in the sun for a few minutes helps a great deal though.

However if I have a valium before going to bed (on a night with no codeine) I usually wake up feeling pretty fucking good. Havent noticed the same thing with xanax... although admittedly I havent taken a xan right before going to bed yet as I havent wanted to waste the experience by just falling straight asleep.

Maybe Ill try that next time and see if takes the edge of those ghastly codeine withdrawal feelings you get when you wake up first think in the morning.

 

[misk]

the half life of diazepam would be playing a big part in how you're feeling when you wake up.
half life of xanax is only 6 hours, so it would be interesting to see if you get any positive results after taking some right before going to sleep.

 

[Tripman]

Alprazolam is IMO one of the worst Benzodiazepines. Used for anxiolytic purposes it needs to be administered far too regularly and tolerance increases rapidly and drastically. After what seems like a short period of time your having a brick every few hours and barely feeling anything except perhaps a small piece of normality.

Its amnesic qualities are terrible also, daily usage for any period of time will cause vast memory lapses. The reason you aren't feeling xanax the day after is due to its short half life. Diazepam or clonazepam are far better for anxiolytic purposes.


For abuse purposes I only ever use xanax coupled with opiates or alcohol as my tolerance level makes it pointless. In order of euphoria I would say out of the benzo's I've been prescribed so far it goes: Temazepam>Flunitrazepam>Nitrazepam>Triazolam>Diazepam>Clonazepam>Oxazepam>Alprazolam>Bromazepam.

I used to love benzo's. Now we are somewhat at loggerheads. Tolerance, withdrawals, insomnia... Oh the joy.

 

[misk]

^^ its all circumstantial...
you cant expect many other benzos to help with panic attacks in the way they do.
but if you are aiming to solve a GAD issue with occasional panic attacks with xanax alone, then yes, frequent dosing will ensue.

clonazepam isn't listed on the PBS for anxiety, so its hard to afford or even obtain and diazepam its a similar black hole to xanax due to the subtle nature of it.

they all have their bad traits, but they are good at doing the required job if prescribed by a doctor that understands how to structure the treatment.
sadly, not many do.

 

[Pegasus]

toxic? what do you mean by toxic? Are you sure you dont mean dangerous?
Some people find xanax works better for sleep

I'm just using the medical term for danger to the body... "Toxicity is the degree to which a substance can damage an organism."

 

[Tripman]

Correct. It is all circumstantial.

Alprazolam is great for the quick reversal of a panic attack, I know this from my panic disorder. However when you need 12mg+ for it to have an effect it is fairly bothersome. I find that it is more of a crutch in the treatment of panic attacks than a cure...

Doctors can and will prescribe non-pbs medications on authority however even if it is not exactly the disorder they have pinned you down with. I have quetiapine on authority which is only indicated for schizophrenia however I do not suffer it.

Clonazepam is a medication i've received quite a few times from the shrink on authority.

First of all with benzodiazepines, NEVER think your doctor understands how to structure a treatment.

 

[pisspotnrock]

I'm just using the medical term for danger to the body... "Toxicity is the degree to which a substance can damage an organism."

that really explains why you say its 'toxic' to the body 8)

 

[jerry smith]

I like benzos.

I am a big fan of lorazepam (prescribed it, I live in the U.S., and its very popular for docs to script it here). It does take a while for it to kick in, but if you administer it sublingually, it works a lot quicker...great for panic attacks. I tried temazepam for the first time last night (15mg) and it knocked me out and I had very very intense dreams. I'm not sure if I understand the recreational value of temazepam personally. The hour or so that I was under the effects but not asleep was pretty fun...I think...

D u know is klonopin and xanax both come up as a benzo on a urine test?