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So Who Likes Benzos? Ver III: Blackouts and Amnesia

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Well said tripman.

biomech said:
^Geez, wish I had a dr even half that 'irresponsible' :p

At least I'm down to 1 joint a day, but dammit, I'd rather be prescribed something that can be managed - the OTC codeine is just too tempting as a self-medicating sleep aid.

It's like there's no middle ground - seems docs are either ridiculously liberal or total nazis when it comes to prescribing these meds!
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Benzos are such an effective class of drugs...I know what it's like to be thinking that having a constant supply would make life so much better. When I was on them it did that for a while, things were great! No insomnia and practically zero anxiety, I'd get an awesome sleep every night and get up in the morning without dreading going to work/Tafe.

After a few months of being on them I ran out...and the experience was one of the most horrible I've ever gone though. Had only ever had a few anxiety attacks before this but when I was in withdrawal they would be triggered by just about anything. I couldn't function, and that was only after a few months! People are on them for years and years sometimes...I can't imagine how hard it would be for them.

The Valium will help you sleep for a certain amount of time, but then your body will adjust to it and you'll need to take more for the same effect - and if you somehow run out of a script and can't get anymore it'll be much much worse :( If you somehow got a steady supply I'm almost certain in a years time you'd be looking back saying you wish you hadn't started on them.

IF you are 100% honestly trying and really wanting to get off the codeine, then getting a script of diazepam for a week or two isn't totally unheard of. If I were you in the same situation I know i'd probably use the diazepam + codeine together though :\

It's a shame all the brilliant drugs are habit forming with nasty withdrawal. Doctors should know better than to prescribe benzos for extended periods of time, except in certain extreme cases.

Nice work with cutting back on the weed sir! It's not an easy thing to do after 17 years I bet.

I'm saving my benzo tolerance for when I really really need them. Like maybe when I have cancer, or go through some super traumatic experience :P
 
Christ! said:
IF you are 100% honestly trying and really wanting to get off the codeine, then getting a script of diazepam for a week or two isn't totally unheard of. If I were you in the same situation I know i'd probably use the diazepam + codeine together though :\

It's a shame all the brilliant drugs are habit forming with nasty withdrawal. Doctors should know better than to prescribe benzos for extended periods of time, except in certain extreme cases.

Nice work with cutting back on the weed sir! It's not an easy thing to do after 17 years I bet.
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Thanks man, funnily enough it's been comparatively easy, compared to cutting back on the codeine (which I'd been on daily for over 10 years). My partner still smokes weed daily, as do most of my mates, but it's like my brain just says 'DO NOT WANT'. The little I do smoke now gets me absolutely hammered, which is amazing considering that just 3-4 months ago I would smoke a few grams in cones a day and just be like 'meh'.

I can definitely understand the atttudes towards the benzos... that week that I had the temazepam, I was able to stave of the codeine all day, knowing that I had something to "switch off" with at bedtime. The withdrawals would have me sweating and feeling like I'd run a marathon, and then I'd take those 3 little pills and just feel so relaxed. I was avoiding alcohol because I didn't want to swap one daily 'obliteration' for another... and I really want to get CLEAN, from everything. No more crutches, so to speak. That's why valium was so appealing - I've never had any problems taking it as prescribed, and it's impossible for me to get without a script - no dealers or frequenting 3 chemists a day; no script = no abuse. But my doc wouldn't give me valium and deemed me to be abusing the temazepam after that first experience, no if's and or buts. She's been prescribing me panadeine fortes on a tapering regime (because I was taking too much shit with ibuproen/paracetamol - never heard of a CWE until a few weeks ago and don't want to start now coz I'm worried it will mess up my progress so far and get me bck into getting high). I'm tempted to find another doctor, but she's been good to me for the past year and i'm scared I might end up with someone too liberal and suddenly find myself addicted to benzos. I just wish I could find a doc who understood that valium could help with this, but mine seems to think that asking for a higher dose of temazepam or switching to valium means I still just want to get high.
 
You sure it was 2mg temazepam? 2.5mg sounds pretty low.... especially as 10mg temaz is equiv. to 5mg diazepam.
 
biomech I was doubtful when you said you were prescribed 2mg temaz, but just did some research and it appears they do exist. If that is indeed what you had then no wonder you needed 3 before you felt anything. Im surprised you even felt that to be honest. Someone posted this chart a few weeks ago, and it seems pretty accurate just from my own personal experience with diaz, alpraz and temaz....

http://www.dr-bob.org/tips/bzd.html

Not sure why your doc is so scared of prescribing you more than that. Maybe its because of your disclosure to your doc that you need help tapering off codeine... but Im sure there are many GPs who are just scared of fucking around with benzos and creating an anxiety problem in a patient. Are doctors able to flag people on an online database or something these days? If not you might want to go find another doc. I know my psychiatrist (who I see only to get a dexamp prescription every couple months... not that theres anything wrong with needing legit therapy!) doesnt seem to have an issue prescribing me 10mg temaz for sleep when I ask him (although he wouldnt prescribe valium because of the longer half-life, annoyingly. mainly because at least they come in a box of 50).

Anyway. Maybe think about seeing another doc because there is definitely a range of attitudes out there.
 
Yeah I would easily take at least 20 at once. In biomech's case the fact that he recently had val 10mg's would have rendered those temaz's practically useless. Im guessing the admitted addiction to codeine wouldnt help matters. Guess you need an open-minded doctor who trusts you. Gaining that trust can be difficult if you arent given a chance though.
 
Christ! said:
After a few months of being on them I ran out...and the experience was one of the most horrible I've ever gone though. Had only ever had a few anxiety attacks before this but when I was in withdrawal they would be triggered by just about anything. I couldn't function, and that was only after a few months! People are on them for years and years sometimes...I can't imagine how hard it would be for them.
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This just summed up the last few weeks perfectly, I only remember having one panic attack prior to benzo use and ever since stopping it's just created a whole new type of anxiety. I was always under the impression it would take a long time of constant use to create a dependence. I was only using 2 to 4 times a week for a few months and it's honestly been a horrible experience. I also lost about $200 today for making a stupid business decision that I can only blame on anxiety. I'll be so fucking relieved when this is all over.
 
^ That's heavy comrade, hope you feel better soon. :)

Regarding the 2mg temazepam; I have never seen these, do they actually exist in Australia? I have only ever seen the 10mg tablets, and they are the only dosage form listed on the PBS. There are 2mg diazepam, but prescriptions for them are getting rare and Roche has discontinued their 2mg Valium brand I believe.
 
@The-Future: Yeah I think I kinda know what you mean when you talk about a whole new type of anxiety. On Sunday after a few weeks on alpraz I didnt realise how fucking anxious I was until I was watching that Frozen Planet show on Ch. 9. It occurred to me that I literally had that feeling of dissociation that you get on weed occasionally (or when scattered/coming down after a big night) and I was completely sober apart from some codeine I had earlier in the day. The codeine definitely had nothing do with how I was feeling though... it was absolutely anxiety that basically just crept up on me all day without me really being consciously aware of it. Sunday was the first day with no alpraz so I had something to attribute the shitty feeling too, fortunately.

Knowing it wouldnt last gave me some comfort but still it was not pleasant. I guess thats what they talk about when they say people with severe anxiety often get a sense of de-realisation and/or depersonalisation.
 
Yeah dissociation was the same word I used to describe it, luckily I'm feeling a lot better today, lesson definitely learnt.
 
Gah, was so stupid and got some phenazepam for a friend. Will have to tell him not to give me any.

Has anyone had any experience trying to dose with the 'pure' powder? He doesn't have accurate enough scales to weigh it.

Only option would be to dissolve it in something...but from what I've read it isn't readily soluble in water (like a lot of benzos) I've read about people using Propylene glycol, which I have a fair bit of in pharmaceutical grade...I just can't picture it dissolving all that well into this...

No way in hell I'd let anyone eyeball this stuff.
 
The-Future said:
I'll be so fucking relieved when this is all over.
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It will be soon! Lucky you're getting off them now rather than a couple years down the line. Just keep reminding yourself that the acute withdrawal doesn't last forever, get past it and you'll be like you were before, some pain now will prevent like 10x the pain later. Try and reschedule any high stress commitments until you're through the worst of it (not always possible of course :()
 
Christ! said:
Gah, was so stupid and got some phenazepam for a friend. Will have to tell him not to give me any.

Has anyone had any experience trying to dose with the 'pure' powder? He doesn't have accurate enough scales to weigh it.

Only option would be to dissolve it in something...but from what I've read it isn't readily soluble in water (like a lot of benzos) I've read about people using Propylene glycol, which I have a fair bit of in pharmaceutical grade...I just can't picture it dissolving all that well into this...

No way in hell I'd let anyone eyeball this stuff.
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I'm in the same situation... need a solvent. I'm going for isopropyl alcohol because Bacardi 151 is so god damn expensive.

From what I've read, it does dissolve into PEG you just need to put in work and time (heating, stirring). I've seen posts on BL where people said it took them a day to get it from a suspension to a solution.
 
Anyway... this threads a full of warnings! Benzos can still be fun remember. Everything in moderation.
 
Thanks MB :)

Someone should do up a simple step by step guide in its own thread after they've had success. See if I've got any time next week. Hoping that people treat this one with respect ;) after reading a bunch of trip reports last night I certainly will.

pinkanga - You're right they can be fun! :) I think I prefer using them more as a tool though, benzos by themselves have always been kind of boring to me (recreationally) Will be great to have some on standby while testing out MXE.
 
^ I'll just be using them as a tool from now on, like you said, for getting to sleep when needed, etc... I don't want to go back to the mess I was in a while ago. :\
 
I found Clonazepam to be pretty good for recreational use, even more so then Alprazolam but a few beers usually help. I've gone clubbing plenty of times on Clonazepam and a had an awesome/cheap night out.
 
Christ! said:
He doesn't have accurate enough scales to weigh it.


No way in hell I'd let anyone eyeball this stuff.
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No decent.01mg scales or .001mg even means no phenazepam.

Unless you/he make a liquid solution as suggested.

Eyeballing phenazepam is a good way to wake up days after the fact with no clothing on and someone's mailbox in your bed with you.

True story it happened to a friend of a ... Ahh ok it happened to me.

I'm just glad I made it to bed at all.
 
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