tricomb
Bluelight Crew
Yeah I misunderstood you, I see where your coming from now.
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Stimulants So what's up with all these other non-meth amphs?
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tricomb
Bluelight Crew
What do you mean? I'm sorry I just need some clarification. What takes a while?
lets say you had the purest meth and it had no wetness or leftover solvents etc etc. . you put that in a capsule.. and take fairly sensible doses.. Then Yes I think its a cleaner Better drug.
But with adderall you are getting nearly as high as with meth, you know what youre getting everytime its the same. plus you don't have to put that burning acid like shit up your nose, on your fingers, coming out of your face , sweating etc.
But with adderall you are getting nearly as high as with meth, you know what youre getting everytime its the same. plus you don't have to put that burning acid like shit up your nose, on your fingers, coming out of your face , sweating etc.
Cyanoide
Bluelighter
I have quite extensive experiences with speed (racemic amphetamine, the stuff that's mostly sold here in Europe, Adderall is almost completely unheard of) and to a lesser degree with meth. I haven't touched either of them (well, I took one line of speed last year) for almost 10 years now though.
Like many here (not all though) in Europe, I preferred racemic amph to meth. There are several reasons for this. One of the most important is the comedown, which is absolutely horrendeous with meth and lasts much longer. Meth keeps you awake for much longer after the desired effects are gone. The other is the better mental focus and increase in motivation speed gives me. Meth is more tweaky (yup, more euphoric, no doubt about that) and feels more rolling, while speed is more straight-forward. Speed was always the standard drug to start a party evening with back in the days (MDMA and other drugs were added later in the evening). Very social, was great to kind of prepare you for the coming night with (although it was used through the night), before the really really fun started. It was never the main drug of the evening, as it wasn't euphoric enough. I guess with meth the difference is you don't need much else, it's euphoric enough on it's own.
The shorter duration of speed can be seen both as a plus and minus, I mostly snorted it and there was the need to redose every 2,5-3 hours or so (insufflated, orally maybe 4-5 hours apart). With meth there's not the need to redose that often. Then again I've felt like a suicidal trainwreck after weekends with no sleep (Friday to Monday without sleep, great feeling at work Monday morning) and almost no nutrition besides fluids with speed too, and had horrific comedowns from it too.
In retrospective I feel both are equally stimulating, but meth has a higher affinity for dopamine and is more serotonergic, hence the greater euphoria with it. However if I would have to take either of them, I'd take racemic amph because I like to feel clear-headed with stims.
Like many here (not all though) in Europe, I preferred racemic amph to meth. There are several reasons for this. One of the most important is the comedown, which is absolutely horrendeous with meth and lasts much longer. Meth keeps you awake for much longer after the desired effects are gone. The other is the better mental focus and increase in motivation speed gives me. Meth is more tweaky (yup, more euphoric, no doubt about that) and feels more rolling, while speed is more straight-forward. Speed was always the standard drug to start a party evening with back in the days (MDMA and other drugs were added later in the evening). Very social, was great to kind of prepare you for the coming night with (although it was used through the night), before the really really fun started. It was never the main drug of the evening, as it wasn't euphoric enough. I guess with meth the difference is you don't need much else, it's euphoric enough on it's own.
The shorter duration of speed can be seen both as a plus and minus, I mostly snorted it and there was the need to redose every 2,5-3 hours or so (insufflated, orally maybe 4-5 hours apart). With meth there's not the need to redose that often. Then again I've felt like a suicidal trainwreck after weekends with no sleep (Friday to Monday without sleep, great feeling at work Monday morning) and almost no nutrition besides fluids with speed too, and had horrific comedowns from it too.
In retrospective I feel both are equally stimulating, but meth has a higher affinity for dopamine and is more serotonergic, hence the greater euphoria with it. However if I would have to take either of them, I'd take racemic amph because I like to feel clear-headed with stims.
Dread calm
Bluelighter
Cyanoides comparison of racemic amphetamine and d-methamphetamine is absolutely bang on, its just a case of personal preference as to which you prefer.
I often get the impression that a lot of tweakers from the states really underestimate the potency of what we call in the uk 'Base' and compare it to the effects of adderall seeing as it's a racemic amphetamine, but from what I've read peoples experiences of adderall dont even come close to some of the base I've had before, even some of you hardcore meth heads in the U.S would be very surprised by it. Unfortunately it's getting More and More difficult to come across these days without i being cut to Fuck which i think is the reason for uk speed having a 'dirty' reputation which is a real shame, some arsehole money grabbing idiot ruins it for everyone again.
Personally and in all honesty I'd have to say meth is the More pleasant experience whilst you're under the influence of it, but it turns me into such a fiend without me even realising it. Its only once I've been up for several days and I'm crashing that i realise all i have actually achieved that week is starve myself, chew and pick my own face to pieces, and talk utter shit to everyone i know. Whereas a pinch of good quality, relatively uncut amphetamine in my coffee in the morning sets me up for a much more social, productive day than any amount of meth would. You can still forget about eating or sleeping on it, but its so much more controllable than meth and the crash is a million times milder.
I developed a tolerance to uk amphetamine sulfate and base over a period of about 3yrs daily use that it actually became pretty much inactive, i was eating and sleeping as normal and could eat an envire 3.5g of the stronger speed i could get at the time without buzzing at all, it just didnt work anymore. I thought my speeding days at that point were over until i became acquainted with crystal, suddenly i was able to get off again so there's no question about meth being more potent that's a no brainer. Im assuming amphetamine and methamphetamine are cross tolerant right? Apologies if im wrong, i am just guessing there.
I often get the impression that a lot of tweakers from the states really underestimate the potency of what we call in the uk 'Base' and compare it to the effects of adderall seeing as it's a racemic amphetamine, but from what I've read peoples experiences of adderall dont even come close to some of the base I've had before, even some of you hardcore meth heads in the U.S would be very surprised by it. Unfortunately it's getting More and More difficult to come across these days without i being cut to Fuck which i think is the reason for uk speed having a 'dirty' reputation which is a real shame, some arsehole money grabbing idiot ruins it for everyone again.
Personally and in all honesty I'd have to say meth is the More pleasant experience whilst you're under the influence of it, but it turns me into such a fiend without me even realising it. Its only once I've been up for several days and I'm crashing that i realise all i have actually achieved that week is starve myself, chew and pick my own face to pieces, and talk utter shit to everyone i know. Whereas a pinch of good quality, relatively uncut amphetamine in my coffee in the morning sets me up for a much more social, productive day than any amount of meth would. You can still forget about eating or sleeping on it, but its so much more controllable than meth and the crash is a million times milder.
I developed a tolerance to uk amphetamine sulfate and base over a period of about 3yrs daily use that it actually became pretty much inactive, i was eating and sleeping as normal and could eat an envire 3.5g of the stronger speed i could get at the time without buzzing at all, it just didnt work anymore. I thought my speeding days at that point were over until i became acquainted with crystal, suddenly i was able to get off again so there's no question about meth being more potent that's a no brainer. Im assuming amphetamine and methamphetamine are cross tolerant right? Apologies if im wrong, i am just guessing there.
Dread calm
Bluelighter
Apologise for that stupidly long paragraph, i must be amped :-D
tricomb
Bluelight Crew
You should break it up into paragraphs 