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Stimulants So what's up with all these other non-meth amphs?

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i know everything about methamphetamine (except how to stop abusing it), and have some experience with adderall, and ritalin but having spent some time in OD looking for people to talk about meth with i keep hearing about all these other amphs. like vyvanse, dextroamphetamine etc etc.

so like, can i get a rundown.
i don't like being out of the loop regarding dopamine releasing drugs.
is there anything better than some good ol' fashioned shards?
are they all adhd meds?

i have a friend who's always asking me about his concerns with his vyvanse script.
and lot's of buddies in college doing things with their lives always asking me about stims for studying.
(i like to make people think i'm smart by always having lot's of technical info on drugs)
all i know is meth though, so i'm always giving bad advice.

plus i've been diagnosed with add, and maybe my meth addiction is linked to this? maybe i could curb my use with prescription stims?

i'd look things up on erowid, but i dunno. after having some real world experience, i don't really trust erowid.
 
i only have experience with the RX amphetamines, aside from meth:
dexedrine: same potency of meth, less pronounced effects, you cant smoke it, etc.
Adderall: 75% dextro, 25 percent racemic amp
methylphenidate (ritalin, concerta): ultimately not worth your time. tolerance builds high and fast, and has WAY more peripheral effects.
dexmethylphenidate: good to shoot, otherwise same as ritalin

none can compare to smoked meth, except plugged dexedrine IME, but dont come running to me when you dont get a meth rush from that.
thats about it
 
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IMO they're all garbage, the different flavors of amphetamines all have more side effects and less euphoria than methamp, and methylphenidate (Ritalin) is trash, and feels like a tweaky version of caffeine.

You're not missing out on anything, the only other stim worthy of note is dextroamphetamine (Dexedrine), the major metabolite of d-methamphetamine, so it will be very similar to methamphetamine without the extreme euphoria and with different, slightly more pronounced side effects.
 
basically.... if you've been doing good quality meth, their is absolutely nothing that you needth know about any other amphetamines.
 
tricomb said:
IMO they're all garbage, the different flavors of amphetamines all have more side effects and less euphoria than methamp, and methylphenidate (Ritalin) is trash, and feels like a tweaky version of caffeine.

You're not missing out on anything, the only other stim worthy of note is dextroamphetamine (Dexedrine), the major metabolite of d-methamphetamine, so it will be very similar to methamphetamine without the extreme euphoria and with different, slightly more pronounced side effects.
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Wait your sayin that dexedrine has MORE side effects than meth?
 
Bigfanofthemdrugs said:
Wait your sayin that dexedrine has MORE side effects than meth?
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I'm not entirely sure, but from what I've read, if meth is used properly, only once a week etc. not crazy doses, it is actually the smoothest, side-effect free amphetamine around. A lot of adhd patients prefer desoxyn above all other meds they have been on, because it has such small/unnoticeable side effects.

The real side effects from meth use come from daily use/abuse.

I'm sure similar side effects would occur from dexedrine, if it was being shot up twice a day for weeks straight.
 
Bigfanofthemdrugs said:
Wait your sayin that dexedrine has MORE side effects than meth?
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Correct. This has been my experience. Now you must factor in I never dose more than 20mg usually like 5-10mg desoxyn, and most people who do crystal meth are doing doses well above 100mg.

But I've done my share of crystal and honestly higher doses of meth for me still have way less side effects than even a low to moderate dose of adderall or dexedrine.

For me, there is no worse feeling than taking too much Adderall or Dexedrine.
 
Thanks for the info. Dexmethylphenidate (which sounds really intriguing with the injection potential) and dextroamphetamine are welcome addition to my vocabulary. I've heard about one called lev something amphetamine. What's this about?

Are there non-pharmaceutical amphs out there?
(i hate to say this on a harm reduction forum) but that are um... well that make you feel... well ya know.

tricomb said:
Correct. This has been my experience. Now you must factor in I never dose more than 20mg usually like 5-10mg desoxyn, and most people who do crystal meth are doing doses well above 100mg.

But I've done my share of crystal and honestly higher doses of meth for me still have way less side effects than even a low to moderate dose of adderall or dexedrine.

For me, there is no worse feeling than taking too much Adderall or Dexedrine.
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Agreed. Script of Adderall induced more psychosis and stim-related negativity than two or three weeks of doing slammin' stupid doses of ice. Spent like 11 or 12 days going to work, coming home, looking out the window at the people setting up spotlights until I was confronted with the more immediate problem of a bug infestation/rodents getting in my cabin through the vents.

Desoxyn. This sounds amazing.
I mean, when i found methamphetamine (high quality, oral, non-freebase, meth) i thought i was cured of all my problems.
Too bad i have no healthcare and a loooonnnng history of substance abuse.
Chasing the rush has destroyed my life and left me penniless probably have HIV etc etc.
I just want to be on a functioning slightly tweaked level. This sounds amazing.
But unrealistic.

I've heard allusions to the horror of having add and abusing meth and the hell it causes afterwards.
Do you know anything about this?
 
Levoamphetamine is the 25% of Adderall that is not Dextroamphetamine. It's the left isomer of the chemical compound, and levo-meth/amphetamine produces nothing more than CNS stimulant side effects, it's the active ingredient in Vicks inhalers. It is not recreational.

Basically, you want pure dextro when it comes to stimulants.
 
Ritalin - Methylphenidate - dopamine reuptake inhibitor. Dose usually 30-90mg. Essentuially a long-lasting synthetic cocaine minus the anesthetic effect. It's a stimulant but not as 'strong' as amphetamines and as such it is a lot safer in terms of brain health.

Adderall - amphetamine mixture - essentially 75% destro-amphetamine and 25% laevo-amphetamine. It's the closest thing you're going to get to "street speed" in pharmaceutical form. Dose 10-120mg, depending on tolerance. Adderall XR is an extended release formulation consisting of either a speckled tablet (usually 30mg) or a capsule with beads in it (everything else - read the capsule it's printed with the dosage). These beads (or the tablet) contains a mixture of amphetamine salts that is roughly equivalent to 75% of the "prescribed weight" in amphetamine freebase.

First a primer on salts- amphetamine freebase is an oily corrosive liquid. Hence it is always sold as a salt - usually a sulphate or hydrochloride. These salts dissolve well in water, while the freebase won't dissolve at all and will prefer to stay in hydrocarbon solvents.

The lowdown on dextro versus laevo amphetamines -
Dextroamphetamine is the "centrally active" compound that produces stimulant effects. Releases both norepinephrine and dopamine in good amounts in "normal" dosing.
Laevoamphetamine is basically a super pseudoephedrine - a strong norepinephrine releaser but otherwise not a good central stimulant. Basically this means it makes your body stimulated (increasing heart rate, breathing rate, increasing blood pressure and constricting blood vessels) but doesn't effect your mind so much.
The two compounds are, de facto, created in a 1:1 mixture unless the chemist uses special techniques, called chiral synthesis, to make just one of them. This mixture is called "racemic" amphetamine and is whats seen on the streets of Europe as "speed paste" (mixed with sugar, alcohol, & water).

All amphetamines are absorbed extraordanirally well orally. There is no need to snort or inject them as they can cause damage due to either impurities or their vasoconstrictive effects. Smoking amphetamine salts may cause tooth and gum damage from the volatile chemicals that are created. ("meth mouth")

Adderall was developed as a "special blend" of salts for weight loss, then rebranded as a stimulant for ADD because the manufacturer didn't want to retool their whole production line for a new stimulant. This explains why there is a small 25% balance of laevo-amphetamine salts in it that are not "centrally active".

Vyvanase - lisdexamphetamine - is a chemnical compound of dextroamphetamine adn the amino acid lysine, designed as a sort of chemical time release. Your body has enzymes in the blood that remove thhe lysine molecule and convert it to d-amphetamine. It is essnetnially 60% as potent as an equivalent dose of amphetamine, and should be administered orally.

Dexedrine - dextroamphetamine - is pure D-amphetamine and is the "golden standard" of stimulants.

Desoxyn is D-methamphetamine. It is rarely prescribed for weight loss and ADD/ADHD.

Amphetamine has a half life of 12 hours, whish makes it a rather long-lasting stimulant. Methamphetamine lasts even longer. Methylpheindate, on the other hand, is degraded by the body fairly rapidly (like cocaine) thanks to an ester bridge and so it only has a half life of 1 to 2 hours.

Methylpheidate too is produced in two formulations - a racemic one and the "active" trans-laevo-methylphenidate or "Focalin", which is reputed to be 2x as effective.

The total duration of the compunds in the average individual are as follows -
Methylphenidate, 30mg. - Duration: 3-4h.
Amphetamine, 30mg. - Duration: 6-8h.
Methamphetamine, 30mg. - Duration: 12-18h.

There are of course many offshoots and "research chemicals" that mimic the effects of stimulant NDRI and NDRA's (Norepinephrine Dopamine Reuptake Inhibitors/Release Agents) such as methiopropamine (NDRA, analog of methamphetamine), methcathinone & derivatives (mephedrone, MDPV - NDRI's), ethylphenidate (NDRI), diphenylmethylprolinol (NDRI), 2-DPMP (NDRI), etc.

One should take caution and always research the potency and duration of a compound before experimenting with it.
 
For all of this talk about methamp being more neurotoxic than vanilla amp, I've always found methamp to be smoother and more side effect free than even pure dexamp.

Makes you wonder if the studies about dexamp being "completely safe for children ages 3 and up" are biased by big-pharma influences...
 
i love dex :) waves of euphoria, super sober feeling stimulant. a rougher feeling high than adderall i think. definitley lets me get a lotta shit done when i need to. i gots the black n orange pillz with the beads- my bf has a script. i think theyre 30mg each maybe 15 i cant remember. anyone ever shot these kinds of pill. is it unadvisable? i know u shouldnt shoot pills but i mean under sterile circumstances with cold water and a micron filter would it work and not cause me to lose an arm in the process? i feel like this is a stupid question
 
Cone said:
For all of this talk about methamp being more neurotoxic than vanilla amp, I've always found methamp to be smoother and more side effect free than even pure dexamp.

Makes you wonder if the studies about dexamp being "completely safe for children ages 3 and up" are biased by big-pharma influences...
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Smoother has nothing to do with neurotoxicity.
 
Agreed. I'm not lightweight for just about anything, and most pharm amphs just feel so dirty and jangly and heart- racy and ESP. Unpleasant with come down that it boggles my mind that they're prescribed to children.theres supposed to be a quoted post in my reply.
 
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livetheopiatedream said:
i love dex :) waves of euphoria, super sober feeling stimulant. a rougher feeling high than adderall i think. definitley lets me get a lotta shit done when i need to. i gots the black n orange pillz with the beads- my bf has a script. i think theyre 30mg each maybe 15 i cant remember. anyone ever shot these kinds of pill. is it unadvisable? i know u shouldnt shoot pills but i mean under sterile circumstances with cold water and a micron filter would it work and not cause me to lose an arm in the process? i feel like this is a stupid question
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Those are Glaxo Smith Klein 15mg spansules.

DO NOT SHOOT THEM.

They contain a time release matrix which isn't easily defeated by conventional means.
 
yeah ive just got a needle thing so i like trying everything iv once at least. ive never injected anything stimulant like tho so since i have em around i thought id ask, since they feel pretty good orally and usually iv just makes things better all around. but like i said i just really like my needles. id try injecting somethin like coke or meth i just dont trust myself to not become a tweaker... i obviously cant control my drug use very well, being a recently clean h addict.
 
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