Opioids So it turns out my M/30 Oxy was indeed Fentanyl: Need advice

[Psynaught]

No problem!
Yeah technically whoever pressed them could dose them accurately, but it depends on how much care went into pressing the pills.

In mass manufacturing of pills, they have certain machines that help spread the amount of drug across the pill equally, so that they can be broken in half & each side will have the same dose of drug in them. But with pressed pills, there is a possibility that some of the fentanyl got concentrated in one spot in the pill, while having less in another spot in the pill, if that makes sense. So say you were only taking half a pill or even a quarter of a pill, there might be different concentrations of fentanyl in each piece of it.

But yeah, you'll be fine taking one. Does taking the one pill hold you all day? If so, that's odd since fentanyl is quite short acting. But I'm not familiar with fentanyl metabolism & how long it might work if taken orally. I've only done fentanyl intranasally & it was pretty much worn off within an hour or less. As long as it helps you though, that's all that matters.

Thank you very much for your thoughtful and helpful replies. I was thinking the exact thing about concentrations being disproportionately distributed in pills. These pills look really well made, from an appearance angle the look perfect and all weigh exactly the same. I have taken these on 3 occasions now. Last night I took one, waited an hour and a half and took another. One night I only took one, and another I foolishly took four (spaced an hour apart). What I will say is every pill seemed to absolutely have the same effect as another. One gives massive pain relief, the second makes you feel a little better, but from there it does not really improve. One the other hand, real Oxy's just get more euphoriating.

In terms of "getting me through" I don't really need them. I have been high on Oxy's 3-4 times in my life (not counting surgeries where I never took enough to get high....just exactly as prescribed) and have taken these fake Oxy's 3 times. If I stopped cold I would not have any WD' whatsoever and I am going to try and keep it that way. I am probably semi addicted to Kratom. I just feel shitty at night....but that is probably a product of y age and all the damage on my body from a lifetime of bodybuilding and combat sports. My feet kill me, I have no cartilage in my left shoulder and arthritis in my hip.

4-5 grams of Kratom at night has been a life saver and I have been taking that amount for years 4-5 days a week and never increased it. I only take it at night. I feel good during the day (if I get enough sleep) but do feel crappy at night w/ out Kratom so I suppose that is a mild form of addiction. But then again I am also addicted to my morning cup of coffee and conservative HRT (I am still a massive gym rat and still look like I could compete at age 62...I actually almost turned pro 6 years ago).

Sorry for such a long post. This forum is great because it scares the crap out of me and keeps me super conservative about any opiod usage, so again thank you.

 

[Psynaught]

Taking one is fine for now. Until you take one that packs a punch and you get your first blackout, OD, or death.

I only snort a quarter at a time until I reach desired effect...been many times where I thought 2nd quarter I'll be fine, and then realized it was a bit too much.

You are no kid. And definitely some senile peeps around at times lol.

Some smoke it off foil because they really do not want to risk death...it's risky business but I understand what you mean by hey this is what I have and what I am going to take no matter what..just please tread as careful as possible, tolerance to fent happens quite fast and have found it sort of stems from the constant want of dosing a bit more because duration is so fast and not really euphoric.

Thank you. The pills are really well made (look perfect) and have been 100% consistent....but yeah I still worry about that one pill that may be overdosed. I took one last night, waited an hour and a half and took one more. Yes they seem to hit fast and don't last like real Oxy. It should be mentioned that I only plan on taking these (or any powerful opiod twice a week. I do take 4-5 of Kratom 4-5 days a week, only at night. I never take anything except coffee during the day.

You are the second (knowledgeable) person who has told me that smoking is safer...really? Please explain. You seem to be extremely knowledgeable.

 

[Opana313]

Thank you. The pills are really well made (look perfect) and have been 100% consistent....but yeah I still worry about that one

You are the second (knowledgeable) person who has told me that smoking is safer...really? Please explain. You seem to be extremely knowledgeable.

Honestly smoking it never did a damn thing for me besides the smell of burnt popcorn..real oxy when chased smells like...marshmallows? Either way I tried this route way back before fetti ever hit the scene. Reason being, I wanted to see if it was more efficient to help save $ and boost euphoria BUT found that with real oxy 30s that smoking was not enough 4 me to stave off WD and/or be "highly satisfied"..became more of a ROA I would do for one good size hit and hold in for an extremely short buzz that DID feel OK but mostly to compliment the drip from intranasal(my personal roa, orally just doesn't do for me)

I was curious how some addicts would only smoke instead of other routes and frankly it's a waste in my opinion.

I am not that knowledgeable as others on here just pure experience of over a decade of daily use(fucking hate it, wish I could just take it or leave it but I am hooked, and now on 1-4mg sub to get through the damn day, great savior but has its own ball n chain).
Just be extremely careful try to have someone around when you dose and WATCH OUT for the tolerance creeps fast and with fentanyl I hear is PURE HELL of WD which I have been lucky enough to never really feel as the presses I chased must had been spaced out/sporadic.

 

[Keif' Richards]

A lot of other people have beat me to the punch with good advice and information.

If you were able to handle the drugs safely and they worked for you, then you've established relative safety. You can be reasonably sure that pills bought from the same place at the same time will be of similar composition. That's not a guarantee. Each time you buy the pills they could be different.

I know you probably don't want to hear this. I've read your story. You use Kratom during the week already and now you're thinking about using Fentanyl a couple of days a week? It's a recipe for disaster dude. I would advise not getting involved with these things at all. I read your comment where you said you wouldn't throw them away even though they're Fentanyl. The best thing to do would be to throw them away, as hard as that might seem. You'll have the Kratom and the Fentanyl. The dots will connect. You will buy more Fentanyl.

We all like to think in our heads "well, it's super potent, so naturally, I will cut my Fentanyl pill into 1/64ths. I'll use 3/64th's each day, never more and everything will work out great". In reality, 99% of us as Opioid users are going to use whatever we have available in front of us. The guy diligently splitting up his Fentanyl pills to exactly match the conversion of his Morphine intake is really a guy that just exists in my head and on Bluelight for the sake of argument. He's not a real person.

People who buy the Fentanyl pills and use them get hooked on them and things get ugly fucking quick. If I were you, I would try my best to make the Kratom work. Even if it's not as good as the Fentanyl. The Kratom has worked for a long time and your life is relatively stable. Don't introduce this chaos into it.

 

[Opana313]

This is very true^ they work for that little bit of time then before you know it you're buying more... I didn't realize the kratom,..how long have you been using pain pills OP? If you are naive to this addiction, let me tell you now..it's already warping your mind into dependency. And jumping from kratom to oxy then to fent ugh just find some vicodin and even then tread carefully you do not want to be in withdrawal every morning or night for the rest of your life believe me! Be safe and keep us updated man. Have a Happy Thanksgiving!!

 

[Jnowhere]

Honestly smoking it never did a damn thing for me besides the smell of burnt popcorn..real oxy when chased smells like...marshmallows? Either way I tried this route way back before fetti ever hit the scene. Reason being, I wanted to see if it was more efficient to help save $ and boost euphoria BUT found that with real oxy 30s that smoking was not enough 4 me to stave off WD and/or be "highly satisfied"..became more of a ROA I would do for one good size hit and hold in for an extremely short buzz that DID feel OK but mostly to compliment the drip from intranasal(my personal roa, orally just doesn't do for me)

I was curious how some addicts would only smoke instead of other routes and frankly it's a waste in my opinion.

I am not that knowledgeable as others on here just pure experience of over a decade of daily use(fucking hate it, wish I could just take it or leave it but I am hooked, and now on 1-4mg sub to get through the damn day, great savior but has its own ball n chain).
Just be extremely careful try to have someone around when you dose and WATCH OUT for the tolerance creeps fast and with fentanyl I hear is PURE HELL of WD which I have been lucky enough to never really feel as the presses I chased must had been spaced out/sporadic.

You'll also need at least 3 hits( little bottles) of narcan if you OD and as people have mentioned someone sober enough to help and probably call for an ambulance (911 in America). Also narcan wears off and you'll probably will still need to be seen by paramedics and hospitalized if you OD on Fentanyl.

Not sure, about if you can survive no matter what, if you get some and it also and/ or has carfentinil. Also if there is Xylazine, there is no reversal drug for it available to the public. Also not sure even medically you can, but it's your life or.....

 

[Psynaught]

Thanks for the warnings guys.

 

[Keif' Richards]

We don't want to patronize you @Psynaught We also don't want to give you advice you didn't ask for. The thing is, I'm 34. I was a Heroin user for ~12 years. I saw people come and go, die, live, go to prison etc. I know what Heroin addiction is like. What I'm saying is the Fentanyl is worse. I believe this is where a lot of us older folks are coming from.

Hell, I was a schoolteacher and I did just fine. With Heroin, there was always the hope, the dream that a person could be on Heroin and still enjoy what life has to offer. With Fentanyl, it's like I see people start doing it, a month later they don't have a car, two months later they're homeless and mingling with the other addicts outside the library, dying when they don't have the drug, coming to life for 5 minutes when they have it, becoming unconscious for 1-2 hours, followed by the return to death. These people hurt so bad I see grown men walking around wearing blankets in winter, tears and snot streaming down their face, begging people for help and barely having the mental/physical strength to describe what they need.

A lot of us are old junkies and we're telling you that this lifestyle is even more miserable than what we went through. It's no life so I can never advise someone in good faith to start. How do you tell someone to do something that makes them living dead? We are here because drugs can be fun. They can promote creativity, bonding, understanding. There is something "good" in all of this that we know in our hearts, so we help people navigate as best we can.

This Fentanyl shit is not that. It is a slow death in misery.

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

Yeah fuck fentanyl honestly.

I hope OP can establish a genuine Oxy connect instead. Every other opioid is better than fentanyl. Fentanyl is deceiving to new users IMO, because it's not actually as euphoric or as pleasurable as heroin, oxy or basically any other opioid. It's just an overly potent dangerous synthetic opioid. And once you're tolerant to it, you can forget about being able to enjoy the less potent (but better) opioids.

We wouldn't even have a fentanyl issue in the US if people could just access the classics, legally & safely.

Good luck OP & stay safe!

 

[Opana313]

Yeah fuck fentanyl honestly.

I hope OP can establish a genuine Oxy connect instead. Every other opioid is better than fentanyl. Fentanyl is deceiving to new users IMO, because it's not actually as euphoric or as pleasurable as heroin, oxy or basically any other opioid. It's just an overly potent dangerous synthetic opioid. And once you're tolerant to it, you can forget about being able to enjoy the less potent (but better) opioids.

We wouldn't even have a fentanyl issue in the US if people could just access the classics, legally & safely.

Good luck OP & stay safe!

^^ and a stab at the dea/CIA/government and piss poor docs that don't give a fuck how much pain you are in..it's just unbelievable. That opioid epidemic caused a gotdamn Fentanyl crisis which is basically chemical warfare if you ask me...

Reminds me of the crack epidemic (CIA) sent crack straight to the hoods in damn near almost every big city back when Reagan was in office(piece of fucking trash). Then they profit off throwing ppl into prison/system. (Thanks Bush and Clinton for ruining black lives and whites as minority by signing the 1 gram crack=basically half your life in prison, compared to a gram of cocaine, less time, this drug war and locking ppl up still effects everyone to this day.. To me it was another form of slavery but in a prison instead. Lock them up..no resources to get HELP, support, rehabilitation, therapy etc... Drug abusers need help..violent repeat offenders different story.
Rant over sorry yall.

 

[Psynaught]

Yeah fuck fentanyl honestly.

I hope OP can establish a genuine Oxy connect instead. Every other opioid is better than fentanyl. Fentanyl is deceiving to new users IMO, because it's not actually as euphoric or as pleasurable as heroin, oxy or basically any other opioid. It's just an overly potent dangerous synthetic opioid. And once you're tolerant to it, you can forget about being able to enjoy the less potent (but better) opioids.

We wouldn't even have a fentanyl issue in the US if people could just access the classics, legally & safely.

Good luck OP & stay safe!

You guys have scared the crap out of me. I actually can get Oxy's at a good price (a little more than twice what I paid for the fake M30's) but I have absolutely no plans of buying any opioids for a long, long time. I am now officially scared shitless, LOL. The only thing I plan on buying is Kratom, which I have used conservatively for a years now with no problems.

Not complaining guys, had I not read this thread well I would probably not be so extraordinarily paranoid of my current situation. I took one M30 last night (Thursday) felt good and took another and hour 20 minutes later. I don't plan on touching any more until next week. Based upon what I have read I am on schedule to lose my car in 2 weeks and my home in 6. F that!

And I am not critiquing that as scare tactics. Many years ago my totally straight bestie (world rated powerlifter, Judo Black belt and former Marine) died of Nubain, and he never even smoked as much as a joint of drank more than a beer. So yes I am going to be uber careful.

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

You guys have scared the crap out of me. I actually can get Oxy's at a good price (a little more than twice what I paid for the fake M30's) but I have absolutely no plans of buying any opioids for a long, long time. I am now officially scared shitless, LOL. The only thing I plan on buying is Kratom, which I have used conservatively for a years now with no problems.

Not complaining guys, had I not read this thread well I would probably not be so extraordinarily paranoid of my current situation. I took one M30 last night (Thursday) felt good and took another and hour 20 minutes later. I don't plan on touching any more until next week. Based upon what I have read I am on schedule to lose my car in 2 weeks and my home in 6. F that!

And I am not critiquing that as scare tactics. Many years ago my totally straight bestie (world rated powerlifter, Judo Black belt and former Marine) died of Nubain, and he never even smoked as much as a joint of drank more than a beer. So yes I am going to be uber careful.

Well this is a good thing honestly!
I'm normally against fear mongering when it comes to drugs, but the dangers of fentanyl are kind of worth fear mongering over.

I had friends from Chicago who were heroin users since the 80's & 90's and they were alive & well up until 2017. And then all it took was for them to get that one bag of fentanyl, thinking it was "heroin", taking their usual dose & it killed them. Completely preventable deaths if they had just been able to access their damn medicine legally & safely, without shame, stigma or criminalization.

You're making the right choice! Hell, I don't mind if some body WANTS to actually use opioids, I just wish people could experience the real magic that the better opioids have to offer, instead of dealing with this fent crap! You'd be much better off sticking with kratom! Hell, it's too bad you can't get a script for something as simple as tramadol or hydrocodone. Even those feel better than fentanyl & are a hell of a lot safer! Sorry to hear about you friend!

^^ and a stab at the dea/CIA/government and piss poor docs that don't give a fuck how much pain you are in..it's just unbelievable. That opioid epidemic caused a gotdamn Fentanyl crisis which is basically chemical warfare if you ask me...

Reminds me of the crack epidemic (CIA) sent crack straight to the hoods in damn near almost every big city back when Reagan was in office(piece of fucking trash). Then they profit off throwing ppl into prison/system. (Thanks Bush and Clinton for ruining black lives and whites as minority by signing the 1 gram crack=basically half your life in prison, compared to a gram of cocaine, less time, this drug war and locking ppl up still effects everyone to this day.. To me it was another form of slavery but in a prison instead. Lock them up..no resources to get HELP, support, rehabilitation, therapy etc... Drug abusers need help..violent repeat offenders different story.
Rant over sorry yall.

Absolutely! Straight up!
Rant all you want, you're spitting straight facts here honestly!

The government only ever criminalized drugs to begin with, so that they could flood the communities they hated (usually black & poor communities) with that drug & then arrest the fuck out of everyone & ruin their lives even more.

The American Drug War literally makes me sick & boils my blood. If it's not people being locked up in slave labor cages for the mere act of "being dependent on a drug", it's the people like me (and countless others) who benefit from opioids but cannot access them without a million other risks (and tons of money), thereby effectively reducing my quality of life to garbage forever. But don't worry, I can always go get shit-face wasted on a toxic poison called ALCOHOL (which kills more people annually in the US than any illegal drug). And then I can get back in my car & drive home afterward, putting everyone else at risk!

I was a suicidal, violent fucking asshole when I was an alcoholic. Alcohol is a leading factor to a lot of domestic violence & abuse too. Yet society is totally cool with this garbage ass poison being easily available on every corner. But if I wanna take an opioid so I can get up & clean my house & then take a nap, suddenly I'm a "criminal" with a "drug problem".

It's pure hypocrisy & nonsense.

Phew, this topic gets me so heated, yet I'm so passionate about it! I really wanna see some fucking change! Enough is enough!

 

[Keif' Richards]

I guess I'm going to violate my own protocols and hijack the conversation

My theory on Fentanyl/Xylazine specifically, but also Fentanyl in general is this:

This drug could only catch on with such speed and intensity because there was already a nation struggling with an Opioid-use epidemic. Fentanyl was stronger and cheaper. I don't have a degree in finance. What I can tell you is that an Opioid-dependent individual is always going to go for the option that is A: Cheapest and B: Strongest. That is a law of the addiction, at least for the majority.

I remember the honeymoon phase of this when everybody wanted the "Fentanyl Dope" being Heroin with Fentanyl for an extra kick in potency. Once they became tolerant, they became slaves to the short duration of the drug relative to Heroin. You see, like meal times, a Heroin user always knows that he needs three shots a day to be good, breakfast, lunch and dinner. Fentanyl users often say they need to use ~6 times a day. People can't keep this straight in their heads. They start using the drug whenever they "need it" as opposed to on that well-known, 3x internal schedule.

They then end up using all the time. Their tolerance builds up from this practice to the point where they're experiencing extreme ups and downs hour to hour. I know people who say they never "get well", they only get less sick. How fucked up is that?

I believe the Xylazine was added for a psychosomatic reason. It is an analog of Clonidine. It lowers blood pressure. It causes sedation. It will knock you out. I've taken Clonidine for sleep before when I was already beat and I was standing up, asleep drooling. I believe this was added to play on the addict's senses. They feel sedated. They associate this with stronger, better drugs when really it's just the Xylazine.

Withdrawal from Clonidine/Xylazine includes a spike in blood pressure as a rebound effect. This can cause a feeling of intense anxiety, heart pounding, beating in your ears and your forehead (yes, I've done it). Combine this sensation with withdrawal from high doses of Fentanyl? That sounds like a goddamn nightmare to me.

I guess to circle back to the beginning, I do not feel people would love Fentanyl/Xylazine had they no prior history with Opioids. It's not fun. It's not really anything. If you're already an addict and can't stop, the lower prices bring you in. Soon you're right back where you started, now with a dependence on this shit. It's evil shit man. At some point in Harm Reduction, I feel like we have to start moving against it; not the users, just the philosophy. It's so destructive. It is difficult to get anyone out of it.

Maybe it's just because I'm an old-timer at 34 and I can't accept new things. I really don't like this shit. It looks more like a group disease than a good time.

 

[Psynaught]

Good stuff guys...keep me scared, that is definitely better than the opposite. I took 2 fake M30's on Wednesday (3 days ago) and don't know when I will take more (although I have a shitload). I did take 3 grams of Kratom last night and my usual (script) Ambien before going to bed. I am going out dancing with the wife tonight and will do 80% of an X tab (I have had these for a while) and then maybe a Benz to come down. Nothing else (no Kratom). I take less Kratom now than I did 3 years ago.

I literally have access to pretty much anything. But the more careful, the better. I have some real Oxys but have not touched them in a while. I have weed that has been sitting in my safe for 4 years.

One thing is, I am an extremely hard core bodybuilder, and my weight has gotten too high (I want o be ripped again) so I am using Zepbound (tirzepatide). There seems to be some evidence that Tirz has a powerful effect on addiction which may help explain why my use is so sporadic.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

. Taking 90 mgs of Fentynal is not as euphoriating as 90 of Oxy....but that is OK.

no because taking 90mg of fentanyl will kill a hippo addicted to fentanyl.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

One thing is, I am an extremely hard core bodybuilder,

are you dependent on opiates or have been most of your body building career? How old are you?

 

[Psynaught]

are you dependent on opiates or have been most of your body building career? How old are you?

I have never taken opiates during my career. I have done many shows, won a few but never gotten my pro card. I know opiates were a problem in the community, but no one ever talked about them.

 

[Psynaught]

no because taking 90mg of fentanyl will kill a hippo addicted to fentanyl.

Correct, as mentioned (4 times) that was a typo.

 

[Psynaught]

Update: Still being super conservative with my opiod use although I do take a little more than 4 grams of Kratom 4-5 days a week. I was getting for real high about once every 5 days but actually now am going 7 days between usage. I do take a pretty good dose on that one day a week, it seems I have a pretty solid opiod tolerance. I am also 224 lbs.

Here is what I take: I will start out with 1 M30 (the fake Mexican Oxy which is really fentanyl) and one 25 mg Oxy with 1 Soma. I will definitely feel good from this. 45 minutes-an hour later I will take one more Oxy. Now I am pretty high. An hour later (I wait a full hour sometimes more) I will take one more of the fentanyl. I may throw in another half Soma.

This is my routine, the fentanyl seems to be very consistently dosed.

It seems the key to opiod use is keeping it infrequently.

 

[BadassMoFo]

This is my routine, the fentanyl seems to be very consistently dosed.

Just keep in mind that all of the ones you got in your last purchase may be consistent but the next batch may be much stronger and you'll be taking a risk every time you buy them. They call them dirty 30's for a very good reason.

Glad to see you're still replying to this thread and haven't run into any that are to strong but you should read the advice again.