Opioids So it turns out my M/30 Oxy was indeed Fentanyl: Need advice

[Psynaught]

Just keep in mind that all of the ones you got in your last purchase may be consistent but the next batch may be much stronger and you'll be taking a risk every time you buy them. They call them dirty 30's for a very good reason.

Glad to see you're still replying to this thread and haven't run into any that are to strong but you should read the advice again.

Yes I have read the posts a few times.

 

[hwbush336]

If you've already taken a pill and were fine, I think you'd be fine taking 1 pill twice a week.

Just keep in mind that if you're only using twice a week, you are not going to have a tolerance to the fentanyl. So you might be fine one time, but the next time you use, it could hit you harder & possibly even put you into dangerous territory.

If you use other opioids daily, then you already have some slight tolerance, but fentanyl is so potent that it probably doesn't matter much.

Using fentanyl is also going to render your kratom almost useless, cause your tolerance is gonna go up to an extreme degree. I find kratom pretty weak to begin with, so I can't imagine anyone getting anything out of it if they start using fentanyl. But everyone's different I guess.

It sounds like you're well aware of the risks & what not, so I won't preach. If the pills are pressed then there's always a possibility that one pill might have a higher concentration of fentanyl then another pill, so it's a good idea to have the narcan on hand. And if you can, try to use around another person who knows about you're use & is okay with it. Because if you do accidentally OD, you probably aren't going to be able to narcan yourself.

Wish you the best of luck!


PS : I don't think the pills you're taking are actually 90mg of fentanyl, because if that were the case, you'd be dead. Fentanyl is so potent that it's usually used in lower doses, like 100 micro-grams to 2mgs. I think even 2mg of fentanyl is a high dose. So unfortunately there's no real way to tell what the dose of fentanyl is in these pills. But if you've taken them & been fine, I'm assuming it's gotta be quite a low dose.

If your hooked on Fetty kratom will do nothing but make u sick .. if your dope sick kratom DEFINITELY will do nothing for u but make u vomit

 

[Jnowhere]

You may need 3 hits( little bottles) of Narcan and may still need to go to the hospital. Narcan maybe shorter acting than the fentanyl. DeathIndustrial88: is right, don't use alone and do so with someone who is ok with you using and ready.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

Can a maker of these pills accurately dose them at say 250 micro grams each or something like that?

Not 100% of the time; they aren’t a pharma company.

Volumetric dosing is the way to address this danger

 

[sHR00m]

Can a maker of these pills accurately dose them at say 250 micro grams each or something like that?

I would never trust a clandestine lab to produce fentanyl pills with accurate dosage and consistency between pills, especially between different batches but also within a batch there might be dose swings. Your remaining pills might be more or less like the one you took but there is no guarantee.

 

[sHR00m]

If your hooked on Fetty kratom will do nothing but make u sick .. if your dope sick kratom DEFINITELY will do nothing for u but make u vomit

I only heard good things so far from people switching from fentanyl to kratom. Worst thing, the tolerance is too high to substitute. Also there are many, many people that were addicted to dope and successfully made the switch to kratom. Maybe you had bad kratom or an unsuitable strain?

 

[helpingout]

No disrespect to the previous posters but I don’t feel a harm reduction is even attempted by advising you to pop a whole pressed pill.

My harm reduction approach based response would be to suggest either volumetric dosing or perhaps an alternate roa than swallowing that tablet.

Volumetric would mean diluting the whole pill with say 10ml of water. Drawing one ml up in an oral syringe and then taking just one ml which would essentially distribute the dose of the pressie equally into 10ml of water and then taking one
ml orally would allow you to mathematically take 1/10th of the pressed tablet while ensuring even distribution of the dose.

Alternatively, you could divide the pill into quarters maybe even eighths and then you could snort the 1/8th tablet but this does not prevent the hotspot problem. If you could use the volumetric approach you can also sniff the 1ml water fetanyl mixture with a greater degree of safety than sniffing the eighth of the pill.

Alternatively you could smoke an 1/8th of the pill.

You could also with any of these approaches use the buddy system and have a friend hang with you while you dose. Or there’s also a phone service that will call emergency services for you.

These are all reasonable approaches to using a pill with known fetanyl content in a manner that presents a greater reduction in the harm which would be assumed if you were to orally take an entire tablet.

Much better to take a tenth of the dose and then increase incrementally than to take the whole pill orally and lose your life or suffer deficits after an overdose.

 

[Opana313]

Yeah I used to snort a quarter and go from there praying I didn't hit a hot spot..all at once equals possible blackout od or death

 

[Psynaught]

If your hooked on Fetty kratom will do nothing but make u sick .. if your dope sick kratom DEFINITELY will do nothing for u but make u vomit

I get great results from 4-5 grams of Kratom. I have been extremely sparingly with my opiod use. I take about 1 Fent, maybe one Oxy and 1 Tramadol a week. So maybe 3 total pills a week and that has been my average for quite a few weeks now.

I do take the Kratom about 5 times a week. However I would say my addiction to coffee is worse.

 

[facemask617]

I had fentanyl laced oxy's too! Fucking ridiculous finally got legit from my guy in Massachusetts be careful

 

[Jnowhere]

Why are opiods so popular in New England?

 

[Psynaught]

I am doing pretty well. I bought a bunch of these and have only taken about 10 or 12 in 4 months. Taken maybe 14-15 Oxys and 5-6 Tramadol over that time.

Thanks guys for keeping me careful. I have a surgery coming up and want to save up for that.

 

[Jnowhere]

I am doing pretty well. I bought a bunch of these and have only taken about 10 or 12 in 4 months. Taken maybe 14-15 Oxys and 5-6 Tramadol over that time.

Thanks guys for keeping me careful. I have a surgery coming up and want to save up for that.

Is that because they don't give pain killers after surgery anymore? They use to always give a decent supply( usually a week or 28 or 30 pain killers and good ones if the surgery was painful.) There use to be a standard of doctors giving a weeks worth( that is all a surgeon could give and would never feel like the FDA or DEA would care) usually without asking and possibly stronger pain killers( percocet or oxycodone) if one asked; depending on the surgeon and how sore one could expected to be.

 

[artificialfox]

The claim that "a fatal dose of fentanyl is two milligrams" is widely cited but is not entirely accurate or evidence-based. This figure often originates from a crude equianalgesic conversion of morphine's lethal dose to fentanyl rather than empirical toxicological data. The actual lethal dose of fentanyl varies significantly depending on factors like individual tolerance, route of administration, and whether the individual has opioid tolerance.

You hear this "2mg" number widely reported by media outlets, police, and even in some peer-reviewed papers, but likely the figure for a non-tolerant adult human is higher. Most acutely toxic would be the intravenous route, with a fatal dose in a non-tolerant adult likely closer to 3mg. Again that is when administered intravenously. Taken orally, like how the original M30's are meant to be consumed, the lethal dose of fentanyl drops significantly due to the very low oral bioavailability of fentanyl, with a lethal dose closer to 10mg+.

So those shock figures reported in the media where they say, "Enough fentanyl was seized to kill 10 million people" always assumes that those 10 million people were lined up and injected with it intravenously. Additionally, all of shocking media reports base the number off of the total mg weight of the M30 pills or street fentanyl powder seized (and assuming both the pills and powder are made of 100% fentanyl), then dividing the total weight by the "lethal" dose of 2mg. So if 10 kilograms of M30s pills are seized, they report it as, "Enough fentanyl was seized to kill 5 million people". And again, this assumes that the entire pill or powder is made of pure fentanyl and that everyone is lined up and given an IV of their lethal dose.

Similarly they say shocking things like "just enough on the tip of a pencil will kill you", when the reality is that most grown adults, even without a tolerance, could lick that tip of the pencil and survive.

This is not to diminish how lethal street fentanyl is, because the facts are clear, fentanyl and it's relatives kill people on a level never seen with heroin. Nor that fentanyl is a potent opioid. But some of the figures reported in the media are way overblown, designed to shock and generate clicks and advertising revenue.

I've actually seen a few news outlets report that the probable lethal dose is 3mg, which is respectable, but they still don't mention that said 3mg must be administered intravenously to cause death.

I just wanted to say something about fentanyl. I was a long time heroin IV user, black tar after moving west from the east coast where i was shooting the good stuff(China/ Afghan) . When fentanyl first really came out i didn't make the switch until around 2022/23. My veins got so bad from the tar i switched to fentanyl because i could sniff it and not spend hours just to get a hit albeit most times unsuccessfully. My tolerance was pretty high because of a 2 gram a day habit of heroin. Id go through about a gram and a half of fetty in a day. I got off of fetty in april of 2023 and than went to jail for almost a year in december of 23. In august 24 when i got out i sniffed a tiny line of fentanyl and immediatley overdosed. My wife saved me. The next day the same thing happened and i was trying to be careful too. My wife narcaned me this time and gave me cpr. These we're the only 2 times in my life i ever overdose on any opiate. Fast forward a month and im IVing half gram shots of fetty. I have no idea of the actual amount of content of a actual fetty but its safe to say a inexperienced user would die from that size of shot, bur i never od again even doing half gram fetty shots. Tolerance rises really fast for me with opiates.

 

[Skorpio]

One tip that will possibly mitigate the uneven dosing of the fake 30s (but not the addiction potential of fentanyl), would be to dissolve your whole batch of pills in water/ethanol (ethanol to prevent microbial growth), and volumetrically dose using a syringe. This way you could spread any hot spot out between the whole batch making things a little less immediately harmful.

But the addiction and tolerance aspects of fentanyl are certainly no joke, certainly don’t re-up if you have options.