Snorting water from CWE (codeine)

[sitheblade13]

Just found out, that where I live, T1s are OTC, you just have to ask the pharmacist as they are not on the shelves. So I went out and purchased some today (under $5, is that a good price?), and went to work on doing a Cold water extraction. I have done this once before, years ago when I had T3s on a prescription. I can't recall if it worked, I think I ate some pills and smoked pot so I couldn't really tell if it worked.

Anyway, these T1s are 300/15/8 (apap,caf,codeine in case you didn't know). I decided that I would crush 8 pills for a total of 64 mg codeine. I remember taking two T3s before and feeling a pretty good buzz, so decided to stick with that dose to start (the bottle contains 50 pills so I have plenty more opportunities to get this to work). After crushing the pills, I put them in a glass and proceeded to slowly add water and stir until it was just barely no longer saturated (ie, no thick sludge left).

Then I used two coffee filters and set it up in another glass, poured the liquid in. I waited for it to drip naturally, and then at the end squeezed gently. I noticed the mixture became a bit cloudy, I am assuming that some of the apap went through, that shouldn't be a problem though, because there was a lot of sludge left in the original glass and in the coffee filter. I just discarded those bits, although I may do a second wash next time (Would you recommend a second wash?).

So there should be less than 64 mg of codeine in my water altogether, allowing some loss in the sludge cup and also some of the water that was absorbed into the coffee filter. Does anybody have any idea what % yield I could expect? Or rather, how much loss do you think I would encounter? For some reason I'm guessing since there is such little water used in this process, I wouldn't be surprised if I lost 33% or more...

I like to be fairly safe, and am being cautious of how much codeine I consume at one time, it would be helpful to know how much is lost in this process, if there's any real accurate way to gauge this.

I've also read one extraction method that recommends dissolving the pills in warm water first, and then cooling the mixture down and doing the filtration. Does this work better? Any thoughts on this?

Depending on how things go, I'm intending to give myself a day or so between uses of this and I'm going to do my extractions differently each time and try to really see if I can notice any discernible differences in the potency of the final product. I would love to be able to post a guide or just a report of what methods worked best for me. But I'll see how things go.

So my original question in the post is:The water, the final product at the end containing the dissolved Codeine, could I simply snort this water? I am NOT talking about drying it or evaporating the liquid, I'm talking about simply snorting the entire liquid. I have done coke before and always snorted water after/during to dilute the hydrochloric acid that resides in there from coke use, snorting water was painless and very easy so I have no problem doing that. I'm just wondering if this would be effective, or quicker to kick in that drinking it. I have no problem with the taste (snorting Molly and coke have made me immune to 'bad tastes' in my mouth really). Considering there is a small amount of apap left in the liquid, could that be enough to make snorting a no no?

Thanks, all of you great people on this community !

Also, I have done a quick search on this forum and google and couldn't find anybody asking the exact same question that I am. hope this isn't a duplicate.

 

[neurotic]

look dude i didn't read the whole thing cuz i'm lazy, so sorry if i'm wrong, but you sayin you have some water with ~60mg of codeine dissolved in it, why don't you just drink it? i don't think there would be many benefits snorting it, besides may be hitting you quicker.

you could 'snort' it like a nasal spray too though

 

[drug_mentor]

Codeine's recreational effects are caused from drugs that the liver metabolises into codeine, that is to say codeine itself does not really induce a high, but rather for most people about 10% of an oral dose is converted into morphine by the liver and this causes the analgesia and pleasant feelings. There is a school of thought that most of the analgesia from codeine comes from another of its metabolites, known as codeine-6-glucuronide.

Given the fact your liver does the work to make codeine into morphine and your liver and kidneys convert codeine into codeine-6-glucuronide it would seem to me that taking it orally is the best method. Not to mention the facts it has 90% oral bioavailability and when you consume it in solution on an empty stomach it kicks in rather quickly. I see no reason to attempt putting this liquid up your nose.

In regards to your other questions, I would not do a second wash on the leftover gunk, in my experience you do recover more codeine but the amount is small and you introduce more APAP into your end solution. Codeine is not expensive and I don't think it is worth whatever risk to the liver to recover a few mg.

You certainly do lose a percentage of codeine when you perform a CWE, what this percentage would be is impossible to say. In my experience, the higher dose preparation you are making the less overall loss there is. I attribute this mainly to the fact that when you are making a smaller batch a higher percentage of the codeine infused solution is going to be absorbed into the filters etc. As there is a maximum volume of liquid these could hold it follows that as you put larger doses through the filters the losses would not increase very much. To minimise losses through the filters make sure to pre wet them before running your solution through them.

You can use warm water first and then cool it down, I don't see any real advantage to doing this though. In theory it would make the pills dissolve quicker, although in your case where you have crushed the pills it would make no difference any way, but it also then takes longer to cool down in the fridge so to me it comes out about even. I try and use room temperature water to dissolve my pills. As a side note, you really don't need to go to the trouble of crushing your pills, just drop them in a glass, pour the water you intend to dissolve them into over them and let them sit for about 5 minutes. They should dissolve pretty readily from a quick stir after that, so long as the water is not too cold and you are using a decent formulation (some dissolve better than others).

A tip I would give you for better results when making a CWE is to make a fabric filter to run your solution through before running it through the coffee filters. This really cuts down on the waiting time and prevents the solution from gunking up and eventually hardening in the coffee filters, which can lead to considerable losses in the process.

What I used to do is cut out a square of fabric from an old t-shirt, pre wet this so it absorbed minimal codeine infused water, make a pouch with it in the top of a glass and hold it in place with an elastic band or hair tie around the edges. Gently pour your solution into this pouch and let gravity do its thing for about 5 minutes, or until the speed at which the water is coming through the bottom of the fabric is not much quicker than it would be through a coffee filter. At this point, remove the elastic band and pick up the pouch by the edges (ensuring you keep it held steadily over the glass, you don't want any spillage!), bring the edges together until you have the solution sealed up completely in a shape resembling a ball. You will have the excess fabric at the top bunch up in your hand and it will sort of look like a sack, I hope I am explaining that well enough. Any way, you basically squeeze every last bit of moisture you can get out of this and then discard the white lump of goop that is left in the cut out piece of fabric. Take the solution you just squeezed into the glass and run this through a coffee filter or two (I find placing one coffee filter inside another to make a double filter works best) and you should have a crystal clear codeine containing solution that is ready to drink.

 

[Coolwhip]

↑ - TL:DR;

Codeine is a pro-drug for morphine, eating it is a much more effective method of administration.