I find the only time i get a good rush from the hydromorph is if i havent done anything for at leaste 6 hours,
Yeah, you're right. And even six hours is pushing it. 7-8 is the best, but you get much less extra from that hour than from 6-7. For me, that last hour to eight full ones is not really worth it, and the rush at seven hours is pretty much the same. It has a 2.3 hour halflife, so lets just say 2 hours and 20 minutes for simplicity. That mean you'd wait out three half-lives if you went to seven hours. 420 minutes, and damn does it start to drag on the last two or three hours. But by then, only 12.5% of it should remain, more or less depending on personal metabolism. Waiting another 2.3 hours would only get you to 6.25%, not that much better. One hour, to get to eight full hours would only allow you to be at something like 9-10%, clearly a paltry improvement.
especially if last dose was oxy cause it lasts longer.
Damn its varable halflife. I've seen ranges from 2.75 hours to 4.5 hours. Erring on the side of caution, I'd have to wait 13.5 hours to get the same reduction I get with 7 hours for hydromorphone. I really can't do that right now. So I'm going to hope, for today, that my metabolism is on the ball, and that seven hours is enough. Afterall, I took one 20mg oxy yesterday and barely felt it with my tolerance, and I did get my rush later, though it was somewhat boosted by a little purified cocaine.
I shot this morning, waited about 30mins, then took the last 20mg oxy. Hopefully, 7 or 7.5 hours from now, I'll be good to go. If not, well, I'm sure the last of the white will make up for anything lacking, lol. I guess I'll post in here to say how it goes, it might assist someone else; it's the very least I could do in thanks and gratitude for te help you guys gave me.
Do you think the extremely low dose matters? 20mg is NOTHING for me, nothing at all, really. Once I ran out of hydromorph and had to shoot 1mg to last 'till I could pick up more. Well, predictably, it stopped working way before 7-8 hours, leaving me pretty sick (though, I must say, even ONE milligram of hydromorphone is enough for a low level but definately worthwhle rush - really quite amazed me with my tolerance). Being so sick, I rationalized that most of it had to be gone already around 5-5.5 hours, a time I would normally not even consider dosing, and shot 4mg (which is my preferred dose when trying to slow down and quit - I'd love to always shoot 8mg but that's just a fantasy with prices as they are).
I guess because of the 25% normal dose before it, it worked fine, because I got a rush nigh indistinguishable from the norm, despite the early dosing. I wonder if that carries to oxy? I can only assume/hope so. I can only make 10-12 hours at night, if I shoot before bed and try to sleep in as long as possible. Otherwise I simply can't make it, I'd definately break before 10. I know, I know, I'm not proud of it, it makes me feel like crap. But I AM trying to quit through tapering. My last day of 4mg shots is today, then I'm going to 3mg shots for a while, then two, one, and, if necessary, 0.5mg shots. Each dose will be used for a few days to help acclimatization. I know it'll probably be rough, but I've got to stick to it to go to university. It's more important than anything else right now. Will tapering like that make the withdrawal easier? I know I CAN stick to the regimen, I can dose low even with many pills in front of me, just so long as I DO dose, you know? I might just switch to poppy seed tea after 1mg instead of 0.5, 0.5 seems kind of undewhelming and not worth the use of a needle, I feel. I've quit before with absolutely no withdrawal symptoms thanks to the morphine in seed tea. It's God's own detox aid.
Just gotta be carefuly to stick to 72-96 hours of tea use, which is enough to end physical withdrawal for the dilaudid (at least for me) but is short enough to not instate morphine withdrawals. I find morphine withdrawal more unpleasant and longer than hydromorphs. Not more intense, but definately crappier in other ways, you know? I'd probably go back to the needle if I stated morph withdrawals. But 3-4 days has never given me that before, and I always taper the tea dose by seed weight (unreliable, I know, but my only other option is eyeballing amounts - I know you can't know the potency of any batch, but it's fairly consistent from the same bulk store). I only take enough to be nicely buzzed for days one and two, then I reduce it considerably, and just deal with any symptoms.
It seems like the only way your body will give u that heavenly rush is if u gots nothing in you.
Well, at least close to nothing. I think anywhere around 7-13% of your original dose remaining with you is not so bad, the rush is nearly as good then. You' have to wait many more hours to turn ten into zero anyway. 2.3 more to get to 5. 2.3 more to get to 2.5 2.3 more to get to 1.25. 2.3 AGAIN to get to 0.625. It's just not worth 8-10 more hours for such little return for you Way too much suffering for way too little gain, IMO. So I stick with enough to reduce to 12.5%, 3 iterations of half-lives. Sometimes I'm lucky and make eight or nine, rarely. It's hard to lose track of time that close to what I call countdown.
So pretty much when I wake up in the morning, that first shot is beutiful but i dont get the same effect for the rest of the day, which blows.
Yeah, it sucks. But it's better than being sick all day and night until next shot. Unfortunately/fortunately. We waste drugs but we stay "normal". The first is the golden shot, you're definately right.
I too never get any kind of rush from oxys. I tried an 80 and half in one shot once and still nothing. Felt damn good I will admit
I don't even get it. Shooting oxy is ridiculous. It lasts so long if you pop or snort it and has incredible bioavailability anyway. In the beginning, I got two rushes from it, but that stopped. I think it's a tolerance thing. I'd never shoot it now because it'd be a waste of drugs. Even if I got a weak little rush, I'd still have wasted hours of feeling it the right way. With hydromorph, you NEED to shoot them. 10% bioavailability is a joke! They last a short time either way, and who has the money to pop 10 8mg dillies just to get the feel of one 8mg straight to the vein?
I get high from shooting oxy, might even nod a bit. But it doesn't compare in the least to hydromorph, and I've shot 160+mg of the stuff chasing the dragon before I found sources for others.
that but nothing close to the rush that even a hydro 8mg will produce if your clean when u do it.
If you drink some alcohol beforehand for a couple hours, even 4mg is enough for a heavenly rush.
I never tried any dose higher then that cause even doing an 80 at once is way too much money for my taste.
I found a cheap as hell (half price) source for 8mg dillies once, and used it for a year to a year and a half (until I pushed it too far and the guy quit selling them because I was using up so many - I really went overboard). At that time, it wasn't unusual for me to dose 12-16mg in a single shot and to dose that amount 3 times a day. Some of my shots back then were actually so potent that even a point or two from one of my loaded needles would have been enough to seriously sicken anyone else I knew. Yeah, that strong. I really miss that source, I wish I'd stuck to two 8s a day. I could afford it at the price he was giving them for, he was going to have them for the rest of his life, and I'd have been set. Instead, I fucked it all u by trying to buy too many too often, unable to stop myself from asking even when he'd told me to wait a few days. I gained an addiction and lost an excellent source. Bummer, eh? At the time, though, I didn't realize the wondrous bounty I was possessed of. The guy would actually DELIVER, almost any time of the day between 9 in the morning and 9 at night. And he'd usually do it within an hour of me calling him. He didn't have to, he just liked me. At the most, I'd only have to wait three hours before he'd show up honking his horn in a particular tune to let me know he was there, and even the he'd throw me a couple buds or give me SOMETHING to mak up for the "long" wait. I dropped two one time in the grass on my way inside from his car, and we couldn't find them, so he actually just GAVE me two more. He was an awesome guy; just great. Best dealer I ever knew.
Stick to the hydros for a rush, oxys last longer though, better for a day of work, i can get through a whole days work feeling fine with one oxy shot before I go.
Yeah, you're definately right there. Oxy is great in every way except the lack of a rush and the price. I'm not paying close to or more than 100 dollars for something consider less pleasurable than something distinctly closer to 30. I'm not discussing prices, those aren't the prices, those are just generalities that don't necessarily reflect reality.
If im doing hydro, I dont feel nearly as good after lunch as I would with oxy.
Hydromorphs only downside is its short duration. The pain killing lasts a lot longer than the euphoria, the high, and the nod (which is hard to achieve anyway with hydromorph, and for me usually requires some benzos or alcohol). The effects we so fervently adore seem gone by 3 hours after dose, 4 if you're lucky. Then you've still got an annoying gap between then and next dose.
I despise that gap. I've decided it really isn't worth it, and that's why I'm tapering down, why I AM going to quit. I know I can, I've done it before, I just hate doing it. For me, the physical symptoms wear down around 56 hours though they're still there in a minor way well after 72. It gets worst 12-16 hours in, and VERY SLOWLY gets better after that. The only reason it might feel worse is because of lack of sleep. Of course you feel like crap 40 hours in with no sleep, but it's not all the withdrawal. If you can find SOME way to sleep, you're much more likely to succeed.
Thanks for the replies folks. Also, I was wondering, just out of curiousity, when do
your withdrawal symptoms (the physical ones) end if you're quitting hydromorphone and don't use other opiates much (so really just for D users)?
I just want to compare to my experience.
Thanks again, I hope that wasn't TOO much to read, lol.
