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Yeah it kind of does actually.

I think that lipid solubility may be another factor in the BA of the intransal ROA.

I think most people travel down this same road, painkiller use WILL lead to the switch to Heroin, its that simple! It sucks but tolerance is a real bitch and paying $1. per mg for something that is going to be short acting anyway, is a waste of time and money. Kinda wish there was a stronger painkiller between Oxys/Opana/methadone, etc and Heroin, like something right under the strength of #4 H...Ive heard there are hella strong painkillers out there (like WAY stronger than Oxy 80, or Opana 40), but Im not sure of the names and Im guessing they are impossible to get a script for and probably only used in hospitals, but still youd think some of this would be 'diverted' to the black market.

There are several painkillers that are more potent than heroin. Fentanyl, oxymorphone (Opana), and hydromorphone (Dilaudid) are a few of them. IV heroin is as potent as oral dilaudid, so the dilaudid is more potent than heroin when IVd. Oral opana is slightly less potent than IV heroin, but since the oral BA of opana is so low compared to its IV roa it is way more potent than heroin when IVd. And fentanyl is in a class of its own when it comes to potency. Even buprenorphine is way more potent than heroin, but since it's a partial opioid with a ceiling dose it's not going to get someone with a high tolerance as high as heroin would, but if you give someone with no tolerance 2mg of bupe they will be way higher than if they took 2mg of heroin.
 
I don't think everyone who tries heroin will become addicted, and i take ownership of my own addiction. I remember the specific day when i first felt very mild withdrawals, and I remember ::::knowing::: i was at a crossroads, and ::::choosing:::: to stay on the heroin train. It didn't sneak up on me. I knew, and I chose it.

I just want people to know what they're getting into. I couldn't come into a thread like this & say "oh hell yeah OP, do heroin, its so good". I feel obligated to try and discourage someone who hasn't tried it...

But I'm also a firm believer that its your life, your body, & your choice. The OP can do what he wants :)
 
what should be important to note with heroin/opiates, is that....

in a fantasy world, if you were strapped to a bed with handcuffs and force injected heroin everyday (sign me up!) morning, noon and night for 3 weeks, and then let loose afterwards, you will 100% be dependent on opiates, and most likely addicted as well, but certainly dependent, and withdrawal symptoms will appear very quickly.

This would not happen, or at least, would happen to a much lesser degree with something like cocaine or amphetamines.
 
... therefore it is bullshit and meaningless to categorically state that regular use of heroin WILL undoubtedly result in addiction, it is just a stupid thing to say. I don't know what you get out of continuing to argue that it is the case...

Isn't this a harm reduction forum? Do you really need to ask other members what they get out of trying to share their experiences/info/opinions in order to warn people about the addictive potential of certain drugs?

Wouldn't it be "stupid" for moderators of a harm reduction forum to try and convince people that "semi"-regular(happy?) use of heroin without fear of addiction/dependence is perfectly feasible for the general population because they have an anecdote which "proves" it is?

Besides, ever hear of hyperbole? I think anyone who is smart enough to come here and ask questions can probably figure out there are always exceptions to every rule.
 
^ I don't think I am some exception to a rule though, my point is it is just not true to say that everyone who uses heroin regularly will become an addict, it is total bullshit. Fair enough, warn people that heroin can be extremely addictive, in fact, please do, however, Bluelight is about giving people accurate information and that doesn't include overplaying the risks of addiction or danger of a drug when they are already high. Of course a lot of people who try heroin become hooked, same goes for most hard drugs, but it is NOT a fact to say everyone does and we should not be spreading misinformation on this forum plain and simple.

I have no problem with others relating their experience to warn others about the addictive nature of a drug, I have a problem with them stating that because it happened to them it will categorically happen to everyone else who uses it, despite the fact that it will not. It isn't harm reduction to exaggerate the dangers of drugs in the hopes that people will not use them, that is not what Bluelight is about. It is possible to warn people of the dangers of a drug or discourage them from using it without resorting to the tactics of DARE.

I think it is more stupid to try and convince people that occasional or even regular use of certain substances is impossible, when it is not. To my mind this only reinforces the negative stigma and fear associated with drugs and is detrimental towards peoples attitudes on drugs changing. Frankly, I would like to live in a world where everyone is presented with the facts on drugs and made their decisions based on those, rather than the current situation where propaganda and hyperbole are the order of the day.

For the record, I am not trying to "convince" people of anything, I am sharing my experience and that of other people I know, the same thing those who are addicted and claiming it will happen to everyone are, the only difference is I acknowledge both are possibilities where many on the other side only seem to acknowledge one.
 
Is it possible for someone to try heroin and not become addicted? Of course. A lot of things are possible.

It's possible for me to find a duffle bag full of cash on my way to work... is it likely though? No.

I've met thousands of people who have tried heroin in my life, and those people have all met thousands too. I can count on one hand the people who just "screwed around" with H and didn't destroy their lives with it.

No one should try and use scare tactics to keep people away from heroin.. but you don't have to. The truth is scary enough.
 
I have a problem with stupid people giving out stupid advice. I have a problem that pretty much tell someone to go ahead and try it and they will be fine. How many people have died based on your stupid opinions? FFS. I'm sure there is a SMALL %'ge of people who will not get addicted. However the majority will. Your posts are fucking retarded. So is your logic. Go back down under and leave this thread alone before you start getting people to think trying heroin is not that bad and they won't get addicted because you think your aren't. 7 years of use IMO tells me your are an addict. You don't have to use it daily to be considered an addict. You just have better control of it than others.
 
Being a long term user with no veins left I can muscle or snort. I find both about the same. It works (with #4) but is obviously less than some other ROA (if you get my drift).

Don't know the relative potentcy of what you have but I'd start with 1/2 point. Should be OK but may want to have someone around if you start to nod all over the place. Unlikely at that dose but one never knows at first. Good luck. Be careful.
 
Thadudeabides, show me where I said the OP or anyone else will be fine, there is a risk of addiction when you use ANY recreational drug. I never stated it was unlikely the OP would be addicted and I said i would be better if they could avoid heroin, it would be naive to think that this person has not made up their mind to use this drug and this site doesn't actually exist to discourage people from taking drugs. I don't believe that a majority of users do become addicts, although that may be the case, if it is then how about that be the advice given to the OP, rather than scaremongering generalisations like everybody gets hooked.

Also, what I am saying about heroin addiction is not advice, nor is it an opinion, it is FACT. Myself, others I know and many others worldwide are living proof this is the case, not everyone who uses heroin regularly gets hooked, in fact, not even everybody who tries it likes it enough to bother doing it again. Facts are not advice, they are facts, learn the difference.

It is funny to me how many judgements you make about me despite not knowing me, it is especially funny you choose to insult my intelligence yet you are lacking enough in it to categorise someone who uses heroin a few times a year (me) as an addict because of the amount of years I have been using it, that is seriously too funny and only demonstrates how lacking your understanding of addiction is. I suppose anyone in their 60's who has drank for 40 years must be a serious alcoholic, regardless of the frequency or dose? LOL If you aren't intelligent enough to understand what addiction is then you certainly are not intelligent enough to be advising others of how addictive a substance is or is not.

If I were you I wouldn't be insulting others intelligence, when you claim to have been an addict yourself but have such a poor understanding of addiction it doesn't make the best case for your own intelligence. Not understanding the difference between advice, opinions and facts doesn't either...

Your insinuation my advice has likely killed people is also comical, you are the one who has offered nothing other than just say no style advice. My first post in this thread was a comprehensive one which listed the various types of heroin, the best way to go about snorting each and how much heroin a beginner should use, this is all helpful advice for a first time user of heroin, just say no to someone who is doing it any way is useless. My advice is a lot more likely to save a life than yours. This website is founded on the idea that if someone is going to do drugs any way you should give them the facts on how to do so in the safest manner possible, not just regurgitate Nancy Reagan's slogan!

I am sick of heroin addicts and ex heroin addicts deciding that because they have/had no self control with heroin that it means nobody else can either, and attacking me for debunking their myth. Obviously the only fool proof way to avoid addiction is to abstain all together, that goes for any substance and is common sense, the OP came in here looking for advice about whether snorting heroin was a viable ROA for recreational use. They didn't come in here asking whether they should take heroin or not, they have already made up their mind. It seems very unlikely to me, that despite all the negative stigma and widely documented information on the dangers of heroin use when somebody decides to use it, that of all things a handful of strangers on the web talking about how addictive it is will discourage them from doing so. For the sake of harm reduction I feel it is better to give the person in this circumstance information on how to use heroin safely than try to discourage them from a decision they have already made, ESPECIALLY if one decides to use lies to discourage their use like a statement that everyone will become an addict.

I agree with your last line Mr Scag, there are enough real dangers associated with heroin use that there is no need to overplay the danger of addiction, which is obviously high. Lets remember what this web site is about, we aren't here to bullshit people out of making a decision just because we believe it may be a bad one.
 
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why would you even want to try heroin? Not to trying to preach to you or anything but as soon as the oxycontin changed so that you cant snort/smoke/IV anymore heroin was a huge thing in my town, ive seen it ruin so many lives, and the people I know with a low opiate tolerance that have tried it said it was not enjoyable at all, something you want to stay away from man and trying a bag will hurt
 
Thadudeabides, show me where I said the OP or anyone else will be fine, there is a risk of addiction when you use ANY recreational drug. I never stated it was unlikely the OP would be addicted and I said i would be better if they could avoid heroin, it would be naive to think that this person has not made up their mind to use this drug and this site doesn't actually exist to discourage people from taking drugs. I don't believe that a majority of users do become addicts, although that may be the case, if it is then how about that be the advice given to the OP, rather than scaremongering generalisations like everybody gets hooked.

Also, what I am saying about heroin addiction is not advice, nor is it an opinion, it is FACT. Myself, others I know and many others worldwide are living proof this is the case, not everyone who uses heroin regularly gets hooked, in fact, not even everybody who tries it likes it enough to bother doing it again. Facts are not advice, they are facts, learn the difference.

It is funny to me how many judgements you make about me despite not knowing me, it is especially funny you choose to insult my intelligence yet you are lacking enough in it to categorise someone who uses heroin a few times a year (me) as an addict because of the amount of years I have been using it, that is seriously too funny and only demonstrates how lacking your understanding of addiction is. I suppose anyone in their 60's who has drank for 40 years must be a serious alcoholic, regardless of the frequency or dose? LOL If you aren't intelligent enough to understand what addiction is then you certainly are not intelligent enough to be advising others of how addictive a substance is or is not.

If I were you I wouldn't be insulting others intelligence, when you claim to have been an addict yourself but have such a poor understanding of addiction it doesn't make the best case for your own intelligence. Not understanding the difference between advice, opinions and facts doesn't either...

Your insinuation my advice has likely killed people is also comical, you are the one who has offered nothing other than just say no style advice. My first post in this thread was a comprehensive one which listed the various types of heroin, the best way to go about snorting each and how much heroin a beginner should use, this is all helpful advice for a first time user of heroin, just say no to someone who is doing it any way is useless. My advice is a lot more likely to save a life than yours. This website is founded on the idea that if someone is going to do drugs any way you should give them the facts on how to do so in the safest manner possible, not just regurgitate Nancy Reagan's slogan!

I am sick of heroin addicts and ex heroin addicts deciding that because they have/had no self control with heroin that it means nobody else can either, and attacking me for debunking their myth. Obviously the only fool proof way to avoid addiction is to abstain all together, that goes for any substance and is common sense, the OP came in here looking for advice about whether snorting heroin was a viable ROA for recreational use. They didn't come in here asking whether they should take heroin or not, they have already made up their mind. It seems very unlikely to me, that despite all the negative stigma and widely documented information on the dangers of heroin use when somebody decides to use it, that of all things a handful of strangers on the web talking about how addictive it is will discourage them from doing so. For the sake of harm reduction I feel it is better to give the person in this circumstance information on how to use heroin safely than try to discourage them from a decision they have already made, ESPECIALLY if one decides to use lies to discourage their use like a statement that everyone will become an addict.

I agree with your last line Mr Scag, there are enough real dangers associated with heroin use that there is no need to overplay the danger of addiction, which is obviously high. Lets remember what this web site is about, we aren't here to bullshit people out of making a decision just because we believe it may be a bad one.

Thanks for the laugh.
 
Everybody should leave the original poster alone. I think he gets it dopes bad. Probably the more you's say it the more he wants to go get some. He asked a question that most of you's aren't answering. I just think trying h for the first time is a big deal and he deaerves the most straightforward answers he can get. That way he can make a decision based on facts and hopefully use smart and safely. I mean people have been telling him drugs are bad forever yet here he is on bluelight talking about drugs. But anyway there definitely ARE just recriational users. I know plenty of them. Good luck man. If you do end up getting the h let me know what you thought about it ( your roa, how much you did, did you like it, etc) again good luck. If you have any more questions just ask.

Yes, but those recreational users that you know now, well, in some point in time in the future, the majority of them will no longer just be recreational users. The chances that you will go down that road are much higher than going down the road of just using recreationally for any amount of time and then deciding just not to do it anymore...that is the point everyone is trying to make....NO junkie or addict decides to become one, they all start somewhere..your friends that are recreational users, well, they just havent been using long enough yet...
Do you seriously think that this many people would say the exact same thing just to try to deter someone if it werent true??
 
I think a major thing that keeps some from becoming full blown junkies standing on the corner, spare changing, is the fact, they are able to fix up before going to work, then maintain their job all day, and come home, then repeat the process 5-6days a week, there is alot of people around here that score and go immediately to a kroger/target parking lot to fix, then hit the bridge over into Cincy and go to work, unfortunately, police have caught on to this, I guess because of all the calls for people passed out in their cars, but if not at that parking lot, they will find another spot to fix before work, but the key is, these people are able to hold down a job and bring home a check, but if they were to loose their jobs, or something bad happen financially, it COULD turn them into hard core users, and even worse hard core users with no income!!

I personally know of many people like this, the only thing holding them onto a secure life, is ability to work, but to work, they also need to fix every day, or most could not get out of bed, so its kind of a double edged sword.

I also think how good a job one has kinda depends on what kind of user they will become, in most areas, junk is not cheap anymore (no matter what every tv show says LOL). Most people I know fall into the 'use every day, but have a job' too, but I do know a few people that are homeless, but living with friends, and all they do is go up to the local gas station and spare change until they have $20, then once that is gone, they are back at the gas station.

Im not going to get into the argument about whether or not everyone becomes an addict or not with Heroin, but I will say, in my life, I have never met one person that tried it and did not like it, knew some that did not the puking part, but it was worth it for the high, but I guess its possible some people may not like it. The only people I can think of that did not prefer Heroin was people on Meth, but that is a whole different addiction!
 
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