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It's a thread to discuss sniffer dogs, their use as well as the legal ramifications and your rights if you're picked up. Obviously discussion surrounding what they can and can't smell will be included, however, it's not an A to Z guide on how to defeat them.

Just like synthesis and smuggling discussion isn't allowed, nor is this. Bluelight isn't in place to help people circumvent the law, rather, it's a place to inform individuals about a variety of subjects within legal boundaries.
 
I also didn't see any dogs @ stereosonics perth :O! and indeed there were 2 entrances lol
 
mepat1111 said:
Two of my friends got strip searched at Defqon1 in Sydney at the event, in a tent - they even had to ift up their ball sack to make sure they weren't hiding em under there.
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Good to know, thanks for the input. I always felt I'd be safe if I just taped em in a baggie to my inner thigh near my groin. Have never done it but I think there's really only one way I'll consider taking drugs into festivals now...........
 
It's all about what they're trained to detect. You could never be sure, but I'd think it unlikely they would be trained to pick up ketamine as it's use isn't considered widespread enough, at least compared to the other substances you mentioned.
 
Can pretty much garauntee there will be dogs at tomorrows adel stereosonic
 
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Great article Terry.

Chemi - Good plan I think, I'd prefer a few seconds of discomfort than a criminal record!

PD - From what I've read here before, most dogs aren't even trained to smell all the substances you mentioned? Correct me if I'm wrong from my understanding most dogs would be trained to smell weed, but apart from that they may or may not be able to detect any of the other common drugs.

I've also read that they are training to smell 'common impurities', how this doesn't seem to make sense to me as the impurities would vary so much.

Would a dog that was trained for example, to smell MDMA, also be able to detect MDA? I assume as they are both derived from safrol they would, but the question is more if they could detect very similar chemicals.
 
PD - From what I've read here before, most dogs aren't even trained to smell all the substances you mentioned? Correct me if I'm wrong from my understanding most dogs would be trained to smell weed, but apart from that they may or may not be able to detect any of the other common drugs.
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I'm not sure, and you could be right. I'd suspect dogs used in festival environments would be more effective if they were trained to detect fewer substances.


I've also read that they are training to smell 'common impurities', how this doesn't seem to make sense to me as the impurities would vary so much.
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probably more solvents, and scented chemicals used in the synth, purification etc.

Would a dog that was trained for example, to smell MDMA, also be able to detect MDA? I assume as they are both derived from safrol they would, but the question is more if they could detect very similar chemicals.
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I'd say they'd smell the safrole or one of the intermediates. Many of the chemicals used to manufacture amphetamines are also used in perfumery, so these would seem like the best candidates IMO.
 
Side question, and it may sound silly, or it mightve been asked somewhere amoungst the 26 pages,

But if a dog is trained to smell MDMA, and you bought bics thinking they were such, but they may be something else eg pipes.. amps.. etc. Would the dog pick up on that?
I understand most often the case they are mixed with MDMA, but what if it was a miniscule amount?

Not implying anything just curious as to how they are!
 
pink nike said:
Side question, and it may sound silly, or it mightve been asked somewhere amoungst the 26 pages,

But if a dog is trained to smell MDMA, and you bought bics thinking they were such, but they may be something else eg pipes.. amps.. etc. Would the dog pick up on that?
I understand most often the case they are mixed with MDMA, but what if it was a miniscule amount?

Not implying anything just curious as to how they are!
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If its pips they mite not smell it altho u never know if they are starting to train the dogs for it. They will def smell amphetamines tho. My guess is that they can smell pipes as its becoming increasingly common and they are getting trained for them.
 
^^ I believe that BZP is not easy (or the dogs havent been trained for it) for the dogs, tis why it is the shit pill of choice by your local dodgy dealer at festivals.
 
It's not a matter of being easy to smell, it's simply that the drug isn't perceived "widespread" enough for it to be one of the few drugs that detector dogs are trained for, therefore the dogs do not alert to BZP.

It's not really surprising that BZP isn't one of the drugs dogs are trained to detect. In the grand scheme of things BPZ has only been around a very short time, and law enforcement is notoriously slow to react to changes in the illicit drug scene.

Out of the literally hundreds and hundreds of psychoactive drugs in use in Australia only a small handful are perceived worthy of training (ala Amphetamines, MDMA, Cocaine, Marijuana - the most popular drugs). This isn't surprising really, because this strategy leads to the most busts per capita spent on training detector dogs and handlers. It would be much better for the authorities to do the job they SHOULD be doing and train detector dogs to sniff out PMA and some of the other truly dangerous drugs.

I honestly can't see LE training dogs for BZP. In my opinion it isn't quite popular enough, but you never know, I could be wrong :) (hopefully I am :P )
 
Sameria said:
It's not a matter of being easy to smell, it's simply that the drug isn't perceived "widespread" enough for it to be one of the few drugs that detector dogs are trained for, therefore the dogs do not alert to BZP.

It's not really surprising that BZP isn't one of the drugs dogs are trained to detect. In the grand scheme of things BPZ has only been around a very short time, and law enforcement is notoriously slow to react to changes in the illicit drug scene.

Out of the literally hundreds and hundreds of psychoactive drugs in use in Australia only a small handful are perceived worthy of training (ala Amphetamines, MDMA, Cocaine, Marijuana - the most popular drugs). This isn't surprising really, because this strategy leads to the most busts per capita spent on training detector dogs and handlers. It would be much better for the authorities to do the job they SHOULD be doing and train detector dogs to sniff out PMA and some of the other truly dangerous drugs.

I honestly can't see LE training dogs for BZP. In my opinion it isn't quite popular enough, but you never know, I could be wrong :) (hopefully I am :P )
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Piperazines has been around for ages man, first time i heard of them was in 2003. Its prob knew to most of the people living here tho. Im pretty sure there are piperazine sniffer dog training in progress as we speak. Its very common thesedays with pills here in AU. Wouldnt surprise me if they will be using these dogs as of next year. Im not saying there are dogs currently sniffing out these substances out on the streets but im sure there will be very soon.
 
In the eyes of the law 6 years is a fairly short time, and Piperazines haven't really been in Aus in force for that long. Law enforcement is slow to react to changes in the market. Hell, even in thier press releases for some BPZ seizures last year they continually mentioned how new the drug was.

The massive BPZ seizure in Perth probably opened the Australian LE's eyes a little bit I think. Only time will tell how LE reacts to the flood of Piperazies.
 
As in if the police are out and about in the valley tongiht, can there evil little dogs sniff prescription drugs aka. clonazepam....as i dont intend on drinking tonight and have a few clonazepam at my expense from an eplileptic patien that hooked me up with some as he was tapering off them??

Please, repsond asap as I need to know!!!

Thankk you Bluelighters/greenlighters
 
Highly doubt they can detect clonazepam. As has been said, they can only detect so many chemicals, why would they be trained for something relatively rare (and often legitimate) like clonazepam when they can be trained for something illicit and far more prevalent like meth/MDMA/coke/marijuana etc. Just doesn't make sense.
 
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