Sniffer dogs

[Divine Moments]

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[spacejunk]

i don't have any idea, to be honest.
if you read back on this thread though (it'll take you a while) it seems that many drugs are sniffed out because of the odours of their precursors as much as the compound themselves. for example, the smelll most of us probably associate with methamphetamine isn't meth itself, but something used in its manufacture (i can't remember what exactly, but i'm sure someone can help me out here).
this is not to say that dogs can't detect such things, but it's hard to say. it probably depends on how the dogs in question have been trained; if pharmaceutical stimulants have been used to train the dog, it will most likely be able to detect them.
does this make sense?

 

[footscrazy]

Meth often smells like methyl benzoate, which smells like feijoas or a wintergreen type smell

 

[spacejunk]

^ yeah! likewise, mdma often smells like sassafras or something similar. i have no idea what 'meth' or 'mdma' would smell like in their pure form, but for the purposes of law enforcement, dogs seem to be trained to pick up on the common impurities in illegally manufactured drugs.
i guess one of the problems with these huge threads is that the valuable info gets buried deep within them, surrounded by ill-informed guesses like mine. does make for a great read though, if you've got the time

 

[ZKSD]

when searches are done on premises with sniffer dogs, the dogs are never able to find drugs that have been vacuum sealed and placed above their heads, at about eye-level or higher (of humans, not dogs), unless the person bagging them has made a mistake. go forth and conquer.

 

[Walter Ego]

From the research I have done. most seizurres occur from people carrying 'transfered' scent. Ie dirty hands from touching contraband.
One problem arrises is that different dogs are trained to indicate on different items. So at a rave event you might think about 'oh no my pills' but the dog is probably there trying to smell money (just an example as they can smell cash)... Who carrys 10k to rave? most likely a dealer... stop him search him...observe him bust him. Or sweat. Dogs can be trained to indicate on paranoia. You dont really know what they are looking for. In many cases the Dog at a rave is there to serve as a psycological detterent. There are what 8 in 10 people smelling like a drug of various sorts? So serious detection is unlikely.
If I was to consider doing something like that (and I wouldnt I am simply interested in research of these topics) I would consider using Black Carbon. A bag with product X Vacum sealed. placed inside a bag with reacted charcoal (like fish tank cleaner) This sucks up and absorbs smells. then inside another back devoid of air then wrap in latex then wrap in black insulation tape in a nice little dildo shape :D Then ram it up yer arse. make sure that your hands and body do not come into contact with any surface teh product has touched during preperation. Make sure that the product has not been bagged for more than a few hours. Smell will eventually permeate anything even metals. The charcoal will suck up a lot of smell. Dont try to use cloaking smells .... its an old trick and doesnt work, it may even draww attention to yourself. But hey what do I know I dont do that stuff.

 

[Walter Ego]

Not that I know but teh above scenario would get you into a prison and past a strip search with Dogs present. Past a back scatter or anything else. (long as it is way up in the boot).

 

[Walter Ego]

X ray would get you though... I cant think of a way to trick an xray. Anyone?

 

[opi8]

Dogs noses aren't the only way sniffer dogs are used, the handler can make the dog "alert him" for any number of reasons, if you seem to be trying to avoid them, fit a certain stereotype or simply have long hair or the wrong skin colour.

 

[Sustanon]

I always thought that sniffer dogs can just smell whatever they are trained to smell. Whether its impurities or the actual drug itself. The thing is we dont know precisely what a lot of substances exactly smell like for example Ketamine or LSD which has no scent to the human nose but for a trained sniffer dog it may be a very strong scent. Im assuming that the dogs are trained to smell different batches of different drugs, one with impurities and ones that are pure.

There smell is just incredible compared to our lousy smell. Like mentioned above the dog handlers also are trained for any reactions example paranoia or other things, most of the time thats the reason why a lot of people have got done. When the packages are sealed no matter how airtight they are packed the smell will penetrate through it be it metal, wood, coffee beans, activated charcoal, you name it, it really doesnt make a difference. Also some packages contain trace amounts of contamination on it so that's another indicator.

ZKSD: Simply not true. Even if the drugs are elevated the scent will travel and a very long distance, have you ever seen a sniffer dog pick up human scents where it actually followed that person and in most cases even found them? Its because the scent travels a very long distance and dogs will pick that up most of the times. There has been so many incidents where a huge bag of drugs concealed in multiple baggies airtight inside a gasloline tank hidden IN the actual oil which was sealed airtight as well. The scent just penetrated right through the oil, through the gas tank and then through the metal materials of the car. Interesting and fascinating stuff.

 

[grapple_raver]

melancholic: I put it in the baggie just cause I can't be fucked getting another one. The chilli doesn't bother me, kinda gives an exotic edge to the crappy taste of pills. [/QUOTE

Old post but this made me laugh

 

[grapple_raver]

^^
Errm wot happens if they find the pot and then find the pills aswell??
I highly recomend you dont carry pot to avoid being busted for carrying pills as the logic behind that is absurd, carry drugs to avoid being busted for carrying drugs??
[ 27 December 2002: Message edited by: boom ]

Agreed this sounds beyond ridcoloius, just save pills for one/ two events a year, then you can take it before and not bother trying to carry it in.

 

[What was it?]

MOST SIMPLE ANSWER: I USUALLY DON'T TAKE TOO MUCH GEAR ALONG, BUT WHATEVER GEAR I HAVE I PUT IN MY MOUTH. IF THE COPS STOP ME I SWALLOW IT AND JUST ROCK UP TO THE NEXT AMBULANCE INSIDE THE FESTIVAL AND ASK THEM TO WATCH ME FOR AN OD (they usual are quite pleasant, you can be totally frank and open about what you did) - PROBLEM SOLVED.....however I take opioids so narcan stops the OD immediately. Different issue with stims as your heart can stop if OD.

By the way, I've never had to go to the ambo.....most dogs there are not trained to smell morphine, oxycodone or heroin.

 

[Sustanon]

Who takes opiates at a party anyway? LOL but yeah I suppose u could make a balloon and then shit/vomit it out and all is good if worse comes to worst.

 

[pisspotnrock]

^^ ummmm lotsa people... Opiate addicts for example

As for stimulants, I got a few story's when it comes to smuggling dexies into festivals but cbf explaining on my phone. Otherwise I just make a 'tally bomb' of meth and eat it before I got in (due to it's long half life) which usually keeps me goin the whole concert/festival

 

[Sustanon]

^^ ummmm lotsa people... Opiate addicts for example

As for stimulants, I got a few story's when it comes to smuggling dexies into festivals but cbf explaining on my phone. Otherwise I just make a 'tally bomb' of meth and eat it before I got in (due to it's long half life) which usually keeps me goin the whole concert/festival

Wouldnt that be a very bad setting for using opiates? Im not sure about all of you guys but I prefer to relax and chill whilst high on opiates. I feel tired, sleepy and fatigued on them too, I'd rather take some stims to give me the energy that I need to dance all night. I guess each to their own. Maybe on the comedown itd be great but then again id love to have a hot shower or bath after getting home from a rave, gig w/e then dosing downers to counter act the negative effects of the previously used substances and to bring me down.

 

[What was it?]

Wouldnt that be a very bad setting for using opiates? Im not sure about all of you guys but I prefer to relax and chill whilst high on opiates. I feel tired, sleepy and fatigued on them too, I'd rather take some stims to give me the energy that I need to dance all night. I guess each to their own. Maybe on the comedown itd be great but then again id love to have a hot shower or bath after getting home from a rave, gig w/e then dosing downers to counter act the negative effects of the previously used substances and to bring me down.

Unless your nodding out hard, one can really do anything and everything on opioids. Everything is good and nothing is good.....it really doesn't matter. You COULD argue going to a festival is a bit of a waste of money as on opies it won't phase you much...neither positively or negatively. But us addicts/opioid dependant people need to get our asses out of the house and be somewhat social, or we just totally degenerate....so somehow it still makes sense to go on opies......if that makes sense at all......ramble

 

[Sustanon]

Unless your nodding out hard, one can really do anything and everything on opioids. Everything is good and nothing is good.....it really doesn't matter. You COULD argue going to a festival is a bit of a waste of money as on opies it won't phase you much...neither positively or negatively. But us addicts/opioid dependant people need to get our asses out of the house and be somewhat social, or we just totally degenerate....so somehow it still makes sense to go on opies......if that makes sense at all......ramble

Yeah it does make sense, I see where ur coming from. For me personally I like to get the most out of a festival, being a little hamster running around socializing is the funnest thing I used to think that taking shrooms would be a good idea at a dance party when I was a teenager. I guess I learned the hard way, none the less I had a fantastic trip but realized why they call MDMA/meth "club drugs" I know exactly how isolated opiate users can be from socializing, I have that problem too but try to get off my ass and do something otherwise itll consume me :S

 

[coelophysis]

i don't have any idea, to be honest.
if you read back on this thread though (it'll take you a while) it seems that many drugs are sniffed out because of the odours of their precursors as much as the compound themselves. for example, the smelll most of us probably associate with methamphetamine isn't meth itself, but something used in its manufacture (i can't remember what exactly, but i'm sure someone can help me out here).
this is not to say that dogs can't detect such things, but it's hard to say. it probably depends on how the dogs in question have been trained; if pharmaceutical stimulants have been used to train the dog, it will most likely be able to detect them.
does this make sense?

When the dogs are trained, they are trained to detect anything and everything a sniffer dog or search dog would ever need to be sent in the field to find. That goes from cadavers, to bombs, to chemicals, money, drugs, guns etc..
It is all dependent on the situation and where the dog is supposed to be doing it's job. They can be commanded to seek out something specific, but a trained "sniffer" dog knows how to find anything.

 

[spacejunk]

^ no denying that, but as i was trying to respond to the guy/girl before me, there is no absolutely certain way to know if certain pharms can be sniffed out.