Smoking weed in recovery.

[cj]

I feel you szuko I have tripped close too 100 times and have never had a truly negative experience. I just don't get the fear like some do.

 

[manboychef]

I feel that most everyone should have at least one psychadelic experience a year. It really helps to integrate the thoughts and feelings you have had throughout the year, especially if something bad has happened. Tripping is actually a very helpful tool in recovery...it opens your mind to understanding why you are the way you are in a way you are not used to experiencing.

When it comes to the weed, I would just cut down a little. It is really helpful as medicine to quite a few people. You are probably one of the people that benefits greatly from it.

 

[alpha_centauri]

Me personaly, NO i would NOT be able to "just smoke weed" in recovery... I also do not know of anyone that is clean (by clean I mean has YEARS plus of sobriety) and smokes pot. Smoking pot will weaken the desire to resist the bad stuff and that is why the pot often leads people back to their DOC.

Very true. A lot of people think that they can smoke weed or use cannabis and that it will not wind up becoming a substitute drug/addiction, but eventually it does lead a lot of them back to their drug(s) they were addicted to. It's also like this with psychedelics and drugs like MDMA.

 

[neversickanymore]

Very true. A lot of people think that they can smoke weed or use cannabis and that it will not wind up becoming a substitute drug/addiction, but eventually it does lead a lot of them back to their drug(s) they were addicted to. It's also like this with psychedelics and drugs like MDMA.

People who are trying to recover should not use drugs. People who are recovered should be very careful about what drugs they use.

Psychedelics that do not manipulate the dopamine reward pathway lead me away from addiction.

In the end drug addiction has very little to do with the drugs.

 

[Zapgunn]

In the end drug addiction has very little to do with the drugs.

So true. My brain was the problem and the drugs were a solution that ended up getting out of control.

SO I actually decided to quit weed for a little while. Just because it wasn’t really working too well for me personally, and I have a lot of stuff to do right now. I’m going to do the complete abstinence thing for a little while.

I really don’t think MDMA would ever be a good thing for me now, bc I was a pretty big meth head and I’m worried it will hit a little too close to home. BUT my plan as of right now is after I have 6 months of sobriety to trip acid, and maybe do it every 6 months or so form there on out. To be honest I’ve actually been enjoying the complete sobriety since I quit weed last week, my head feels so clear right now! Its pretty cool. I might smoke again at some point, but if i do I will try to limit it to once or twice a day, and take some breaks in between.

 

[alpha_centauri]

People who are trying to recover should not use drugs. People who are recovered should be very careful about what drugs they use. Psychedelics that do not manipulate the dopamine reward pathway lead me away from addiction. In the end drug addiction has very little to do with the drugs.

Once you become an addict or develop an addiction you're always 'in recovery' and are not ever 'recovered' as you do not ever stop being addicted or gain control over an addiction. Also, you can't use drugs recreationally again unless you want to seriously risk relapsing on the drug(s) you're addicted to as this gives you the false sense of hope that you can use any drug again including the drug(s) you are addicted to. I personally have seen this happen literally 1,000's of times over the decades with my clients who are addicts. You and others can claim all you want that you are "sober" or "clean" despite using cannabis and other psychedelics or other drugs, but you're only kidding yourself and hijacking your own recovery/sobriety.

 

[neversickanymore]

^ Im living proof this is not true.. so are many others. I no longer put much if any emphasis on clean or sober as i no longer need to. I am addiction free, thus recovered. I would be happy to go through any evaluation you would like to give. PM me and I will give you my phone number.

Just because you have not found the solution does not mean it does not exist.

EDIT: im not addiction free im still totally addicted to tobacco

 

[Soulgasm]

^ Im living proof this is not true.. so are many others. I no longer put much if any emphasis on clean or sober as i no longer need to. I am addiction free, thus recovered. I would be happy to go through any evaluation you would like to give. PM me and I will give you my phone number.

Just because you have not found the solution does not mean it does not exist.

EDIT: im not addiction free im still totally addicted to tobacco

I'm glad somebody else feels this way. Neuroplasticity is an incredible thing. I agree that addiction is much less about the drugs and sobriety and more about the way you derive happiness and perceive the world. Different strokes for different folks I guess though. Cannabis and psychedelics have always helped me stay off hard drugs.

 

[alpha_centauri]

^ Im living proof this is not true.. so are many others. I no longer put much if any emphasis on clean or sober as i no longer need to. I am addiction free, thus recovered. I would be happy to go through any evaluation you would like to give. PM me and I will give you my phone number. Just because you have not found the solution does not mean it does not exist. EDIT: im not addiction free im still totally addicted to tobacco

I'm glad somebody else feels this way. Neuroplasticity is an incredible thing. I agree that addiction is much less about the drugs and sobriety and more about the way you derive happiness and perceive the world. Different strokes for different folks I guess though. Cannabis and psychedelics have always helped me stay off hard drugs.

That's called lots of denial. The addiction/disease's voice is speaking loud and clear to you or anyone that thinks they can use certain drugs like cannabis, psychedelics, etc. and yet not other ones and then still be "clean" or "sober" when it does not work that way. 8) You might not have relapsed yet; but don't be surprised if it does happen or eventually you make the choice to since you have already used other drugs.

 

[Mmp85]

The worst part of being an addict is other addicts.
I've been told I'd relapse into alcohol abuse for taking my Klonipon as prescribed by my doctor for years leading up to my alcoholism as well as during, and after even though I've consistently taken the same dose and never abused it. See, according to the "experts" or the head drunks at AA, whatever you choose to call them, my 0.5 benzo mimics the feeling of me being drunk. Which was news to me on more than one level. For one thing I have no idea how they knew what this pill makes me personally feel like. I also had no idea it made me feel drunk. If I had known that I could have saved the effort and tip money I spent buying shots at the bar for years.
You aren't the authority on who will relapse and who won't. Most addicts relapse more than once even if they're sleeping with the Big Book under the pillow and drinking milk and going for nightly runs.

 

[neversickanymore]

That's called lots of denial. The addiction/disease's voice is speaking loud and clear to you or anyone that thinks they can use certain drugs like cannabis, psychedelics, etc. and yet not other ones and then still be "clean" or "sober" when it does not work that way. 8) You might not have relapsed yet; but don't be surprised if it does happen or eventually you make the choice to since you have already used other drugs.

I giggle at that voices blathery and smile at its emotional spells as well. I used to fantasise hard about using. It might have made me almost as high as the drugs did. Then I would just shut the crave down and immediately return to the beginning of the cycle. Addiction has very little physical power. Its power almost all lies in a grand manipulative delusion. Like an illusionist once you see through the illusion the magic is lost and you can't go back to not seeing it. I know and recognize how it works. I will never return to use as I have a very clear picture. Its a picture of misery. There is no lie the voice can tell, no fantasy it can send that will fool me. There is no real life situation that will benefit from it.

No alpha im not in denial. Love the recovery communities use of psychological manipulation to try and make people swallow their shady principals. Im recovered.
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[alpha_centauri]

I giggle at that voices blathery and smile at its emotional spells as well. I used to fantasise hard about using. It might have made me almost as high as the drugs did. Then I would just shut the crave down and immediately return to the beginning of the cycle. Addiction has very little physical power. Its power almost all lies in a grand manipulative delusion. Like an illusionist once you see through the illusion the magic is lost and you can't go back to not seeing it. I know and recognize how it works. I will never return to use as I have a very clear picture. Its a picture of misery. There is no lie the voice can tell, no fantasy it can send that will fool me. There is no real life situation that will benefit from it. No alpha im not in denial. Love the recovery communities use of psychological manipulation to try and make people swallow their shady principals. Im recovered. ,

That's typical addict BS, and not wanting to admit that you actually are a drug addict and that you are not recovered as you're an addict. Which BTW there's nothing wrong with but you just can't use drugs which is not the end of the world. The goal of recovery/sobriety/being clean is to live a life without drugs including cannabis, psychedelics, Alcohol, and MDMA. You're only kidding yourself and setting yourself back even further if you continue to use drugs yet want to pretend that you're "sober" or "clean".

 

[neversickanymore]

Funny I was thinking yours was typical recovery BS. Like I said I don't claim to be sober or clean. 95% of my life is lived free from all drugs except nicotine and caffeine. All phasits of my life are going very well. Really im killing it personally, professionally, and spiritually. In august i will have four years without the use of any of the substances that ruined me and almost killed me. I don't struggle and haven't for a long time. Im at an emotional maturity that makes even most non addicts look like children. Often I go days with little or no interruption to a strong inner peace. I have my own strong developed morals and values, so you will have to excuse me if I don't share the same ones you do around "recovery/sobriety/being clean."

 

[cj]

That's typical addict BS, and not wanting to admit that you actually are a drug addict and that you are not recovered as you're an addict. Which BTW there's nothing wrong with but you just can't use drugs which is not the end of the world. The goal of recovery/sobriety/being clean is to live a life without drugs including cannabis, psychedelics, Alcohol, and MDMA. You're only kidding yourself and setting yourself back even further if you continue to use drugs yet want to pretend that you're "sober" or "clean".

That's typical BS 12 step thinking. Everyone is different including recovering addicts. Some can smoke weed and drink without ever thinking of there old addiction. While others relapse after having one sip of beer.

 

[SmokingAces]

The arguing in this thread is all a bit pointless. We are all individuals. For me personally weed helps massively not just my past addictions but my day to day mindset. Much happier, and never anxious or depressed. I would get pissed off at my situation without it likely. For others it may be a hindrance. It's subjective.

 

[Soulgasm]

That's typical addict BS, and not wanting to admit that you actually are a drug addict and that you are not recovered as you're an addict. Which BTW there's nothing wrong with but you just can't use drugs which is not the end of the world. The goal of recovery/sobriety/being clean is to live a life without drugs including cannabis, psychedelics, Alcohol, and MDMA. You're only kidding yourself and setting yourself back even further if you continue to use drugs yet want to pretend that you're "sober" or "clean".

You're oversimplifying things to a staggering degree. Also, name-calling is not kosher.

 

[alpha_centauri]

That's typical BS 12 step thinking. Everyone is different including recovering addicts. Some can smoke weed and drink without ever thinking of there old addiction. While others relapse after having one sip of beer.

The arguing in this thread is all a bit pointless. We are all individuals. For me personally weed helps massively not just my past addictions but my day to day mindset. Much happier, and never anxious or depressed. I would get pissed off at my situation without it likely. For others it may be a hindrance.

It's subjective.

You're oversimplifying things to a staggering degree.

This is the reason why people relapse. There's nothing new about an addict substituting one substance for another and rationalizing their behavior. No program even non-12 step based ones argues that someone is "clean" or "sober" and that it's fine for an addict to use certain drugs like cannabis, alcohol, psychedelics, MDMA, etc. but not the drug(s) they are addicted to. It's extremely ignorant and backwards thinking that addicts believe that addiction to one substance is the only problem and that other drugs/behaviours are not a problem or addiction. But this is typical addict compartmentalization BS or sabotouging of recovery/sobriety, where the person thinks that they're "normal" and do not have an addiction and can still use drugs like cannabis or psychedelics or MDMA, etc. when if they were really actually serious about changing their life and being sober or clean they would stop all drug use.

If you're smoking pot, or tripping, or taking MDMA you are not clean. No, I've missed nothing when it comes to addiction. Suggesting using drugs to addicts, to have addicts stop using other drugs is moronic. There's no such thing as no longer being an addict. You're always an addict once you're an addict. Unless of course you're that idiot Pax Prentiss.

Drinking alcoholic beer isn't really drinking, right? Keep telling yourself you're still "clean" or "sober" while you trip or get stoned as you're only fooling yourself. Use of any drug increases the likelihood of an addict using their drug of choice, and relapsing. Cross-addiction is likely to occur and is extremely common. You don't learn from your experiences while you're using drugs or learn about what you are like while sober. Complete actual recovery requires total abstinence from all drugs including cannabis, psychedelics, MDMA, etc. Drugs like cannabis, psychedelics, etc. numb or sooth feelings and interfere with someone's sobriety or recovery.

Weed and other psychedelics will fuck you up as in they are intoxicating substances. Addiction is a pattern of BEHAVIOUR characterized by using intoxicants to avoid emotions, responsibility, etc. Weed will allow you to do this. When you use weed, you just instantly feel “better”. Sure, it has some medical applications as do opiates, and a few other intoxicating substances. Sure, it’s not as physically addictive as other drugs the ones that will actually humble you enough to seek help. Is it good for your personal emotional/spiritual growth? Think hard about that one, addicts are masters of rationalization.

 

[neversickanymore]

Drinking alcoholic beer isn't really drinking, right? Keep telling yourself you're still "clean" or "sober" while you trip or get stoned as you're only fooling yourself.

I do not believe taking certain drugs are at all a good idea for recovered people. I agree cross addiction is very common. Many people get clean and stay clean from opiates by trading it for alcohol. Bad trade all considered. I also see clear and present danger in attempting to use a significant dopamine affecting drug like ecstasy.

But i feel that a fallacy transfer has occurred based on the initial teachings of the fellowship AA. Given the clear unlogical drive of addiction it was fully necessary to inform alcohol addicts that any forum of alcohol would continue to be there death. Portions of the big book are designated to this if i remember. Very true just as any opiate will bury an opiate addict. Any alcohol would be bad for a person, but the jump made that any mind altering substance would be bad for an addict is the fallacy.

Cannabis and related products clearly manipulate the VTA so I understand a very legitimate initial concern, but can you produce any evidence that substances like LSD and psilocybin promote addiction? I mean nicotine and coffee are the gold seal of drugs allowed in current treatment and they seemingly do not lead to relapse?

Addiction, psychedelics, and thinking?
Psilocybin in the Treatment of Smoking Addiction
Psilocybin-facilitated treatment for cocaine addiction