Heroin smoking vs snorting

[TweakFreak]

which is better? give reasons

 

[The Doc.]

To me snorting because it lasts longer and feels more like a body high whereas smoking is more of a head high. Smoking does hit you faster than any other route of administration including injecting but the short duration is a downfall. What I would always do with a bag of H is snort a line then smoke some so that way I get the long high from snorting and the instant high from smoking. If your in the states though some powder heroin is harder to smoke and can only be snorted or IVed because its in HCL form(water soluble salt form#4) not base form but that can be taken care of with a bit of added caffeine powder. In Canada all our dope is cut with caffeine powder so we can snort it, inject it with only water and smoke it no problem. Generally the only heroin that can be smoked without caffeine powder is base heroin(#3) which is found in the UK and black tar heroin also smokes nicely. Base heroin is not water soluble though so snorting that type of heroin isn't a good idea because its very wasteful. If you try to IV base heroin it won't dissolve in water alone you need to add citric acid for it to dissolve.

So it also depends on what type of dope you have as you can see.

 

[f33lg00d]

I don't understand the whole cutting heroin hcl with caffeine deal. What's the premise behind it? I've never smoked heroin because I only get hcl.

 

[keeping]

I've smoked and snorted it and concur with The Doc; more intense when smoked, longer-duration when insuffulated.

 

[Trying2Iso]

Then i'd like snorting more.
I've never done heroin but i'd attempt a shot if i was to try it. Probably not a good idea, i can barely handle my coke as it is.

 

[Soulgasm]

I've really never noticed noticed THAT much of a difference in duration with different roa's. Other people seem to think snorting lasts like twice as long (but is less intense).

Anyone know why this is? I realize that smoking something causes it to hit the brain and reach peak plasma levels faster than insufflation. But, dope should be totally absorbed by nasal blood vessels within 15 minutes and roa should not effect half life. So equivalent active doses of diacetylmorphine should be removed from the body in the same amount of time, regardless of ingestion method and this would really only add 15 minutes max to the duration of insufflation as opposed to shmoking/vaporizing. Idk maybe I'm confusing half life with duration here or maybe it's a subjective difference in the user? I've been wondering this for a while ha and it kinda mirrors the differences in effects from cocaine and crack..

Anyhow, sorry to ramble. My vote goes to smoking cause I'm really getting too old to keep fucking up ma nose just to get high haha.

 

[Dystopia35]

Snorting heroin does take longer to hit so don't redose too soon. I made that mistake the first time I did it. It does not hit as fast as s sorting coke.

 

[TweakFreak]

thanks for the advice guys, im gunna give smoking it a go

 

[The Doc.]

I don't understand the whole cutting heroin hcl with caffeine deal. What's the premise behind it? I've never smoked heroin because I only get hcl.

When you cut heroin salts with caffeine powder it helps it burn better and if you do a 50/50 ratio of heroin salts and caffeine then you can smoke the stuff despite being in the HCL salt form and not base form.

 

[Zeeman]

When you cut heroin salts with caffeine powder it helps it burn better and if you do a 50/50 ratio of heroin salts and caffeine then you can smoke the stuff despite being in the HCL salt form and not base form.

Do you (or anyone else) know the chemical reason behind this? I've known it to be true, but never gave much thought as to why. Now I'm suddenly curious!

 

[f33lg00d]

I've really never noticed noticed THAT much of a difference in duration with different roa's. Other people seem to think snorting lasts like twice as long (but is less intense).

Anyone know why this is? I realize that smoking something causes it to hit the brain and reach peak plasma levels faster than insufflation. But, dope should be totally absorbed by nasal blood vessels within 15 minutes and roa should not effect half life. So equivalent active doses of diacetylmorphine should be removed from the body in the same amount of time, regardless of ingestion method and this would really only add 15 minutes max to the duration of insufflation as opposed to shmoking/vaporizing. Idk maybe I'm confusing half life with duration here or maybe it's a subjective difference in the user? I've been wondering this for a while ha and it kinda mirrors the differences in effects from cocaine and crack..

Anyhow, sorry to ramble. My vote goes to smoking cause I'm really getting too old to keep fucking up ma nose just to get high haha.

Well like you said it yourself nasally your body doesn't start metabolizing it for ~15min and it doesn't absorb the whole dose at once, with IV the dose is all almost immediately absorbed and being processed. That's why ROAs change durations, it's true of almost every drug albeit vary degrees of significance.

It's funny you say because you don't wanna fuck your nose up. But all I've ever got was a clogged nose at worse, opposed to the damage coke ravages on my snoz, much more favorable to hurt lungs, imo.

 

[fizzymk]

I smoke my dope for the most part, Im in the midwest, never add anything to the dope, just put it on foil and thats it...always has worked great for me, I used to think smoking or snorting was much less addictive than injecting and therefore w/ds would be less intense, but Ive come to learn that is utterly false, I think NO matter what ROA is used with heroin, it produces the same problems in the end.

I think smoking it last longer though, I regularly wake up, do a few points before going to work, basically enough to hold off the sickness and give me a mild euphoria, while the euphoria wears off fairly fast, I can still work thru out most of the day without w/ds coming back, plus, I notice the pain relieving effects lasts for many hours, longest have been about 6 hours, then I start feeling the body aches, feel the w/d sickness slowly start coming back.

The only negative from smoking is the effect on breathing and lungs, after I smoke a good amount, I notice a HUGE difference in my breathing ability, sometimes its even tough to walk up a few steps, and I have been a regular cigarette smoker for over 20 yrs, smoking heroin is absolutely terrible for your lungs, plus, I guess you never really know what its cut with, so you are smoking that too.

 

[The Doc.]

Do you (or anyone else) know the chemical reason behind this? I've known it to be true, but never gave much thought as to why. Now I'm suddenly curious!

Good question! Without getting too technical heroin HCL has a high Melting Point and Boiling Point. This is not good for smoking/vaporising, as the Boiling Point is just too high it's not practical. When pure heroin hydrochloride is heated on aluminum foil the major part does not volatilize, but degrades, mostly by charring. A large increase in volatilization is observed when pure caffeine powder is added. This is because adding the caffeine powder brings the two substances to a lower boiling point and pure caffeine powder won't leave behind any impurities making it perfect to mix in with the heroin salts to make it burn better. When the caffeine powder is added the heroin salts instead of all the heroin degrading the dope vaporises nicely because it now has a lower boiling point.
What cutting heroin with caffeine does is form what's called a eutectic mixture. A eutectic mixture is a mixture that has a lower melting temperature then either one alone.

With a caffeine/heroin mixture, it has a lower melting and vaporizing temperature than either one alone. Caffeine sublimes, mean it goes directly from solid to gas. Lower melting point means it can be dripped down the foil and smoked at lower temperatures causing less burning.

 

[Soulgasm]

Does smoking caffeine cut dope make a noticeable difference in effects? More stimulating perhaps, idk is caffeine even active when smoked

 

[Zeeman]

Excellent answer Doc - thanks!

Does smoking caffeine cut dope make a noticeable difference in effects? More stimulating perhaps, idk is caffeine even active when smoked

I was going to ask this too. Does having caffeine mixed in get you wired up a bit?

I buy all my stuff online, always #4, but from different vendors depending on the price variations. I had a lot of trouble falling asleep on a recent batch, although the (insufflated) high itself didn't feel any different. Could that be because caffeine has been mixed in already without the vendor explicitly stating so, and is keeping me up after the opiate high wears off?

 

[sekio]

plug it yo

rectum has higher surface area than nasal sinuses & is specifically designed to remove water & other soluble substances.....

smoked/vaporized caffeine is active, its just not a common ROA.

 

[The Doc.]

Does smoking caffeine cut dope make a noticeable difference in effects? More stimulating perhaps, idk is caffeine even active when smoked

The caffeine can give it a good stimulating effect and can boost the heroin high helping it work better in the way of pain relief. Its not too big a difference though nothing special and I can't see the effects from caffiene lasting very long when vaporised. As sekio said its active when smoked but I've never noticed any negative effects from it myself it certainly doesn't overpower the dope. I could see caffeine sensitive people having some possible issues but the average person won't have any problem smoking caffeine cut dope most users notice nothing different besides a slight stimulation.

Barbiturates have also been found to make a eutectic mixture when added to HCl form heroin and used to be a common cut in heroin coming out of Asia used for smoking. Has to be pure barbiturate though not pressed pills and same with caffeine you can't take caffeine pills and make a eutectic mixture because the pills have binders and fillers which don't burn at the same temperature.

 

[The Doc.]

Excellent answer Doc - thanks!



I was going to ask this too. Does having caffeine mixed in get you wired up a bit?

I buy all my stuff online, always #4, but from different vendors depending on the price variations. I had a lot of trouble falling asleep on a recent batch, although the (insufflated) high itself didn't feel any different. Could that be because caffeine has been mixed in already without the vendor explicitly stating so, and is keeping me up after the opiate high wears off?

Did it smoke on tinfoil well?? If it does and your sure its number 4 heroin salts then its most likely cut with caffeine and you could possibly be more sensitive to it than the average person or the vendor went a little overboard with the caffeine ratio. Too much caffeine doesn't affect the smoking experience much but you got to smoke a whole lot more since itll be so weak and that means more caffeine is put into your body. It also wouldn't taste as good since addicts love the bitter dope taste.

 

[fizzymk]

plug it yo

rectum has higher surface area than nasal sinuses & is specifically designed to remove water & other soluble substances.....

smoked/vaporized caffeine is active, its just not a common ROA.

Ive been wanting to try plugging dope, but not sure how to go about it, and leery of wasting any dope...but Ive kinda thought about this method...take about a match head sized amount, maybe a little more, get one of those enema bottles, empty it out and clean it out, let dry out completely, then reduce the dope to fine a powder as possible, then add a very small amount of water, basically just enough to suspend the dope in, then stick it up my rear, wait and see what happens.

Does this method sound like it would work or not? about how long does it take to kick in plugging it?

Im curious what the high is like versus smoking, Id imagine its more of a body high than a mental high, but really have no idea.

Thanks for any help, comments.

 

[sailor bugg]

I prefer snorting to smoking, it lasts longer.