I saw a video of a guy on you tube using a hash bell and a water bong to smoke hash out of. I was curious as to weather or not this set-up will work efficiently if one were to try black tar heroin on it? Also, what comparison could be made between the hash bell vs sliding down foil "chasing the dragon" (efficiency/potency of the hits, burn waste, etc.)?
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smoking heroin out of a hash bell?
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I can never understand why people don't just use tin foil for smoking Heroin. It is by far the best surface to use, because it hits up quickly, but cools down quickly as well, so your H doesn't just simmer and burn away after you stop with the lighter. Using a hash bell / light bulb / glass surface etc. is just a waste because of how slow they cool down, you'll waste a ton.
People are just curious. Obviously, if someone practices the foil 'chasing the dragon' method, they will get a good percentage into their body, but there is always a wonder about other creative ways of smoking things.
On foil, you can put a nice sized chunk of stuff and you will burn very little because of how fast the foil heats up and cools off, but, with the hash bell, couldn't you use a very small piece and flatten it out so as to increase the surface area and minimize the loss?
I am curious about the hash bell because it may be possible to capture more of the smoke with the bell and control it as opposed to using foil.
On foil, you can put a nice sized chunk of stuff and you will burn very little because of how fast the foil heats up and cools off, but, with the hash bell, couldn't you use a very small piece and flatten it out so as to increase the surface area and minimize the loss?
I am curious about the hash bell because it may be possible to capture more of the smoke with the bell and control it as opposed to using foil.
But I don't get it, if you already are using the best method, why would you just use another method to "try something new?" I thought the purpose was efficiency, as you paid for your shit, and tin foil is the most efficient method for smoking.
Also, I'm not quite sure what you're getting at? The idea is for it to burn off slowly, so you can catch all of the smoke, if it burned faster, you'd be losing alot. You want the H to barely simmer, and SLOWLY smoke, it is best to take your time. Many people hold the lighter WAY too close to the foil, a good way to tell how far it should be is to get the flame up, and slowly move it towards the H until it is barely burning. That is the distance you should always have, you just want it to slightly simmer, not be burning away all quick. Something else you want to do is make the pieces you put on as round as possible, makes them burn more equally. You never want to "flatten it out" as you described, for the reason I already stated.
Stick to foil, there is a reason everyone else does who smokes. (Me included, I don't, and never will fuck with needles.)
Also, I'm not quite sure what you're getting at? The idea is for it to burn off slowly, so you can catch all of the smoke, if it burned faster, you'd be losing alot. You want the H to barely simmer, and SLOWLY smoke, it is best to take your time. Many people hold the lighter WAY too close to the foil, a good way to tell how far it should be is to get the flame up, and slowly move it towards the H until it is barely burning. That is the distance you should always have, you just want it to slightly simmer, not be burning away all quick. Something else you want to do is make the pieces you put on as round as possible, makes them burn more equally. You never want to "flatten it out" as you described, for the reason I already stated.
Stick to foil, there is a reason everyone else does who smokes. (Me included, I don't, and never will fuck with needles.)
'chasing the dragon' is one of the best known methods for smoking, but people are curious about the possibility that there are better ways to smoke it; either from a higher efficiency or even a better ritualistic experience for smoking.
I completely agree that once someone knows how to use the foil, it can be quite efficient, but there is always the possibility (and curiousity) that there is a MORE efficient way to smoke the stuff.
Also, yes, flattening it out for the foil would be a bad idea, small round pieces are the best. HOWEVER, if one were to try the hash bell, then a flattened piece could prove better than a round piece because it would reduce burning your stuff and increase the vaporization.
Just for the heck of it, I will guess at some numbers for the two methods.
1) 'chasing the dragon' - Start with 100mg. Loss due to burning of product, maybe 10%. So you have 90mg. Loss due to vapor not all being sucked in, maybe 20%. So you have 72mg.
2)'hash bell' - Start with 100mg. Loss due to buring of product, maybe 15%. So you have 85mg. Loss due to vapor not all being sucked in, maybe 10%. So you have 76.5mg
These are just random numbers that I am throwing out here, but I am doing this just to let you into my thought process as to how and why people think about different ways to smoke their stuff.
I completely agree that once someone knows how to use the foil, it can be quite efficient, but there is always the possibility (and curiousity) that there is a MORE efficient way to smoke the stuff.
Also, yes, flattening it out for the foil would be a bad idea, small round pieces are the best. HOWEVER, if one were to try the hash bell, then a flattened piece could prove better than a round piece because it would reduce burning your stuff and increase the vaporization.
Just for the heck of it, I will guess at some numbers for the two methods.
1) 'chasing the dragon' - Start with 100mg. Loss due to burning of product, maybe 10%. So you have 90mg. Loss due to vapor not all being sucked in, maybe 20%. So you have 72mg.
2)'hash bell' - Start with 100mg. Loss due to buring of product, maybe 15%. So you have 85mg. Loss due to vapor not all being sucked in, maybe 10%. So you have 76.5mg
These are just random numbers that I am throwing out here, but I am doing this just to let you into my thought process as to how and why people think about different ways to smoke their stuff.