Smackie Thread

[*IRISH*]

Defo lower it man. Treat it like IV'n start off small, 15-20mg and go from there. Less is more

 

[junkie skumbag]

What are you used to? Snorting? In that case yeah, I'd start with half what you normally snort.

i've done smack once.taking tiny bumps like 10-15-20mg at a time there was 4 of us n 3 points then we hit the oxy once it ran out we all got a nice nod on from snortin tiny bumps......i think ima snort 20mg just to test the purity before i go ahead n plug it fuck ok so i'll need 10mg......my tollorince has gone wayyyyyyyyyyy up since i used smack before so i might needd a lil more...whats smoking it like?

Defo lower it man. Treat it like IV'n start off small, 15-20mg and go from there. Less is more

i've been told 20mg is a good nod dose up the nose so im assuming its pretty strong???

im a noob to smack all the help would be greatly appreciated

 

[cassandragemini]

^ be careful bro, you sound exactly like me before I ended up with a bad habit and nearly 10 grand of debt from the stuff. Not trying to be your mum I'm just saying beware, h addiction will grab you with both hands and arse fuck you without mercy.

 

[dais]

Defo lower it man. Treat it like IV'n start off small, 15-20mg and go from there. Less is more

i agree. having been around the game for many years until the family come along i have treated every new batch as just that, new and untouched. extending from that and reading all the dope related threads and trusting opinions of the more knowledgeable users on here they advise treat every batch as if it were pure gear.

 

[junkie skumbag]

^ be careful bro, you sound exactly like me before I ended up with a bad habit and nearly 10 grand of debt from the stuff. Not trying to be your mum I'm just saying beware, h addiction will grab you with both hands and arse fuck you without mercy.[/QUOTE

thanks for the concern man but this is the only smack i will be getting off this person as he's quitting opiates ( i get some free oxy n morph too yay ) and my only other source for smack works in the mines so hes only avaliable every now n then n only rly wants to trade it for mdma plus i have to drive 500kmish (there n back) to get the stuff without my old man getting suss on me so its pretty hard

i agree. having been around the game for many years until the family come along i have treated every new batch as just that, new and untouched. extending from that and reading all the dope related threads and trusting opinions of the more knowledgeable users on here they advise treat every batch as if it were pure gear.

cheers guys i'll snort a small line maybe 10-15mg then later a 20mg line so i can get a feel of it then go ahead and plug 10mg if i think the purity is right.i may come on here after my dose saying how i feel ect ect n you guys n kinda gauge where im am n tell me how the purity is

well i could just say.if 20mg made me nod out would that be good purity??? and is there a rush with plugging like when you IV im after a rush....

 

[dais]

rush really is a subjective term of opinion.

the "rush" from IV is the drug simply bypassing first past metabolism and crossing the BBB almost instantly. you take a drug orally or plug it and it's has to go through first pass metabolism. your anus has many little blood vessels which help absorb the drug quicker, though, it still passes through the liver to be metabolised.

20mg would be extremely good gear considering the shit that get's on the streets.

 

[Crankinit]

I honestly think the rush is overrated in opiates. Yeah I love the feeling when you go from -5 to 100 in the blink of an eye, but it's a fleeting sensation and what I care about mostly is the long term high. I'd eat all my opiates if it was economically viable (or smoke them, just because I love smoking my drugs). But yeah for me I'd rather float in that warm contentment for hours than feel that momentary jolt from low to high.

 

[Christ!]

the "rush" from IV is the drug simply bypassing first past metabolism and crossing the BBB almost instantly. you take a drug orally or plug it and it's has to go through first pass metabolism. your anus has many little blood vessels which help absorb the drug quicker, though, it still passes through the liver to be metabolised.

Is this right? I've always pictured drugs taken like that to pass through straight into the blood stream...and once they're in the blood stream it's the same place where an IV shot would be (even though it takes longer to get in there than IV) Or does heroin metabolize into something tasty in the brain?

Just a bit confused..need to read up on drug metabolism. I always thought skipping the 'first pass' was just avoiding the GI absorption...but that doesn't really make sense now that I think about it.

But yeah for me I'd rather float in that warm contentment for hours than feel that momentary jolt from low to high.

Same

Some of the more burnt out users I've talked to claim to only really feel the rush...after it they just feel relatively normal. Maybe they aren't using enough, or the amount of opiates needed is just way too high.

 

[dais]

^most definitely agree, crankinit. it's all about the enjoying the ride and scenery. meth was synthed for all those rev heads.

 

[dais]

Is this right? I've always pictured drugs taken like that to pass through straight into the blood stream...and once they're in the blood stream it's the same place where an IV shot would be (even though it takes longer to get in there than IV) Or does heroin metabolize into something tasty in the brain?

when IV'd it passes the BBB twice as fast as morphine would, eventually the main metabolite left over after. 6-mam is the main metabolite mostly responsible for the extra euphoria produced when injected until it turns into morphine.

Some of the more burnt out users I've talked to claim to only really feel the rush...after it they just feel relatively normal. Maybe they aren't using enough, or the amount of opiates needed is just way too high.

they may not build a tolerance to the histamine release and eventually build tolerance to morphine. because so little 6-mam is released i would think it would be hard to build much of a tolerance, hence still experiencing the rush and initial euphoria.

i'm rather rusty on this stuff myself and am still picking things up again as well so don't take my word as gospel.

 

[Ashley]

rush really is a subjective term of opinion.

the "rush" from IV is the drug simply bypassing first past metabolism and crossing the BBB almost instantly. you take a drug orally or plug it and it's has to go through first pass metabolism. your anus has many little blood vessels which help absorb the drug quicker, though, it still passes through the liver to be metabolised.

20mg would be extremely good gear considering the shit that get's on the streets.

As dais said, 6-Monoacetylmorphine (6-MAM) when crossing the blood brain barrier has been largely attributed to the "rush" when heroin is injected. It is an active metabolite of heroin produced during the acetylation of morphine. Chemically, it is more potent than heroin by weight. The other metabolite of heroin, aside from morphine, is 3-Monoacetylmorphine (3-MAM) - but it has relatively weak affinity for the opioid receptors.

I sorta understand the argument that the rush from IV heroin is "overrated" as I have had this thought myself previously. Though, I have experienced incredible "rushes" from heroin before. I am not sure how much this has to do with tolerance and familiarity of the effects of the drug in question, as I never thought this during the initial stages of my opiate use; prior to my subsequent and inevitable addiction. I put this down, largely, to the decrease in quality/potency of the gear that is getting around NSW. The most recent statistics back this drop in potency up, with most surveyed users reporting on the quality (2011-2012), saying that the perceived strength of the heroin is "low to very low".

Overrated isn't the right word, but it can feel as if it is "overrated". Especially after your heroin career has been established. If you gave a nice shot to an opiate naive individual I'm certain they wouldn't experience an "overrated rush", depending on if they're one they like the taste of smack or not. Some people learn to love it and don't actually enjoy heroin initially.

In my opinion, you should be able to float in warm contentment for hours and feel that momentary jolt from low to high.

Ash.

 

[dais]

As dais said, 6-Monoacetylmorphine (6-MAM) when crossing the blood brain barrier has been largely attributed to the "rush" when heroin is injected. It is an active metabolite of heroin produced during the acetylation of morphine. Chemically, it is more potent than heroin by weight. The other metabolite of heroin, aside from morphine, is 3-Monoacetylmorphine (3-MAM) - but it has relatively weak affinity for the opioid receptors.

ah, yes, 3-mam, that's the one i forgot to leave out. thanks, ash, and for getting into the more technical side of things if i were feeling better myself and had better internet access i would have elaborated more!

different't synths to get the final product will result in different rushes and high's overall as well.

Overrated isn't the right word, but it can feel as if it is "overrated". Especially after your heroin career has been established. If you gave a nice shot to an opiate naive individual I'm certain they wouldn't experience an "overrated rush", depending on if they're one they like the taste of smack or not. Some people learn to love it and don't actually enjoy heroin initially.

very true as well. my career is well established so in terms of rush they differ where i'm at. i'm one of those sick people that love the histamine release followed by being wrapped in the blanket of warmth.

 

[C_Tripper]

I LOVE the rush, but prefer decent legs and a great high to be honest.

 

[junkie skumbag]

what about the rush from hydroM?should i shoot it up or snort or eat it i want the most out of it as possible

 

[Crankinit]

Same

Some of the more burnt out users I've talked to claim to only really feel the rush...after it they just feel relatively normal. Maybe they aren't using enough, or the amount of opiates needed is just way too high.

I'd say that's just tolerance. I think what happens with a lot of addicts is that they eventually reach the point where, financially, their habit is difficult to sustain due to a rising tolerance and they're forced to constantly put together whatever cash they can get their hands on just to stave off sickness. If you're hanging out in a really bad way you're not going to wait until you've got enough money to buy the 3 or 4 caps that would get you a mind-blowing high, you'll buy 1 as soon as you can and shoot it just to get comfortable. Then by the time you've gotten around to putting together money for another one, the first has worn off, so you never really go above normal. Of course not all opiate users are like that, but that seems to be a situation most 'street addicts' (if you will) could end up in.

I'm not sure if, hypothetically, there's any actual ceiling dose for heroin. I know I read a study about heroin maintenance in Europe which said most of them end up stabilizing on about 500mg of pure heroin HCL, but 'stabilized' is an ambiguous term, after all they say most people 'stabilize' on 60 - 80mg of methadone or whatever the number is, and we know those people aren't catching a buzz. Opiate tolerance is weird, it doesn't seem to progress linearly for most people I know, instead going up and down in jolts.

It's a shame that stigma means we haven't done more study in this area.

 

[Sustanon]

what about the rush from hydroM?should i shoot it up or snort or eat it i want the most out of it as possible

Any opiate IV-d is better than other ROA. Especially hydromorphone, U only need to IV 2-4mg whereas if your taking it orally ud need 32mg atleast so its quite wasteful that way. I used to eat the 64mg ones like lollies til I started to realize how big holes I burnt in my wallet (Never IV-d it though)

 

[dais]

i wouldn'y jump straight into IV HM, it has a reasonable BA when insufflated. test the water and gauge the high without jumping straight to the needle imo.

 

[Sonny Jim]

"your anus has many little blood vessels which help absorb the drug quicker, though, it still passes through the liver to be metabolised."

this is actually not correct. Whilst your right about digested nutrients and drugs that are absorbed through the intestinal wall having to pass through the liver before it gets to the blood stream at large. This is not what happens during plugging. Plugging works a lot like snorting. There are a lot of skeletal muscle with rich blood supply located close to the lining of the rectum. The blood feeding the tissue around the rectum is separate from the blood vessels that take digested nutrients from food and drugs from the intestine to the liver for first pass metabolism. Different set of pipes from memory the rectum, which the the last section of the bowl does not contain hepatic portal bood vessels that lead to the liver.

That's why plugging avoids first pass hepatic metabolism.

 

[junkie skumbag]

Any opiate IV-d is better than other ROA. Especially hydromorphone, U only need to IV 2-4mg whereas if your taking it orally ud need 32mg atleast so its quite wasteful that way. I used to eat the 64mg ones like lollies til I started to realize how big holes I burnt in my wallet (Never IV-d it though)

sweet ima start with 1mg to be on the safe side.im planning on shooting it and cant wait too i've been told im in for 1 hell of a buzz with the right dose i got pretty out of it off 10mg of oxy but yeah no nod thiiiiiiiiink i'll get a nice nod off this stuff how does this differ in effects to smack?

i wouldn'y jump straight into IV HM, it has a reasonable BA when insufflated. test the water and gauge the high without jumping straight to the needle imo.

yeah i've had my fair share of opiates and shot up oxy + ritlan (looovely opiate high) MDMA (supprisingly fucking out of this world for the half oral dose me and a friend split and IV'ed smack before so i think i will be able to handle it i will def snort some to gauge what its like.what would u suggest i start with up the nose?i'll have a mate with me to watch me incase of a OD and he knows his shit about safe needle use taking all the safety measures micron filters swabs all that jazz

 

[Ashley]

sweet ima start with 1mg to be on the safe side.im planning on shooting it and cant wait too i've been told im in for 1 hell of a buzz with the right dose i got pretty out of it off 10mg of oxy but yeah no nod thiiiiiiiiink i'll get a nice nod off this stuff how does this differ in effects to smack?

Hydromorphone differs from diamorphine (heroin) in that most people agree the rush is superior to
that of heroin and it also has a much shorter duration (i.e. short legs).

Ash.