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sleep hygeine/discipline and time management.

Ive tried 1 hour on a few occasions. Honestly that is the worst posssible amount, i think its better to have no sleep that just 1 hour. Ive only had that once or twice, but i woke up extremely confused, and i had to take a flight, and i got in an argument with a rude cunt at the airport, as i was so tired, confused and stupified and that cunt was rude. Id report the twat next time, you cannot treat customners the way he did.

Etiz gives some measure of control, as does lots of hard physical effort and you will sleep easier, also no caffeine or nicotine if that affects you, you can have some control over it.
 
Most people can, aye. My situation's a little bit different.

Thank fuck for cannabis, that's what I say. It doesn't put me to sleep necessarily, but it facilitates 3-4 hours' sleep. Which is better than nothing.
 
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Do you feel OK with that sleep patten INF, i mean when you take your meds for anemia ? A slightly less extreme example, but Margaret Thatcher was said to only have 4 hours sleep every night. Thats amazing really, especially if you are ambitious and driven like she was, just with those extra 4 or 5 hours a day how much more could you do, if you were a purposefull and driven person.
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i feel permanently shattered to be honest. Even though I reach a point where I can catch up and sleep straight for like 20 hours plus it's just ridiculous. I don't fall in the insomnia camp as I can clearly sleep but just not when others do. Puts a huge strain on relationships and when I worked in a seriously responsible environment it took its toll physically and mentally. I have battled for years and tried every suggestion..............Makes no odds if I am on a binge or my months off clean living. I hate the night alone, it's isolating and miserable but I think I always have felt I will miss something...then collapse days later for days. Never really talked about this. I just accept it...fight is over it just/nothing works. doom gloom.....suggestions on a postcard.
 
My only suggestion is that if you cannot sleep why not get up and do something. There is no point lying in bed for hours tossing and turning if you sense you are not going to be able to sleep. At least that way you're not going to be quite so frustrated, and could get maybe some productive things done.

Its not a solution obviously but kind of 'makes the best out of a bad situation' perhaps. I may be talking crap as i dont know how you feel during these sleepless nights. :\
 
long response disappeared an am buggered but yes jist was do that already to no avail..where did my message go bl ether?
 
The irony is in old job I actually was meant to be assisting people with MH problems. One of which had true insomnia although my assessment was that he was a true British eccentric and had reactive depression. We tried everything..I secretly tried them all too. Psychiatrist was very very ant zop scripts and had him on low dose of cItalopram only..which I tried briefly too.
I am not exactly admitting defeat but I am 39 and it;s just part of me,,,debilitating and miserable sometimes but just is.
I may have a crack again at reflexology which worked well to my suprise but very expensive. Have noticed some nominal positive changes with the vit D and Bs and L metHione seems to have quite a positive effect on my mental state.....because I sleep but so erratically I doubt a clinic would be interested in me, Not your true insomnia...we both must give up the etz or cut down TREMENDOUSLY! <3 Sorry buggered caned it last night and grammar police gonna kill me,,,,
 
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Have you tried getting as much outdoors exercise in the fresh open air as possible ? Like at least 1 hour but preferably much more. It really does help massively with sleep problems IME. An outdoorsy physical job might very well help. Even soomething like postman/postwoman. All that walking for miles every day in the fresh air will help you sleep.
 
Yeah you need to tire your body out and it helps alot, i go out for 4-6 mile walks.
 
I can usually fall asleep with no problems, but wake up constantly throughout the night. A good night I'll still wake up at least 10 times, bad nights probably about 40-50 times, just for a few seconds each time. Pretty much have no energy all day, started working a 9-5 last summer and am so tired all the time in work, nearly falling asleep at my desk and in meetings etc. Been to the docs a couple of times a few years ago and got prescribed a weeks worth of Zopiclone and only managed to stay asleep for 3 hours max.

During the week I have a good routine, going to bed before 11 and getting up at 7.30. The last few years I've been up partying from Fri-Sun most weekends which I'm sure doesn't help and thinking it could also possibly be anxiety that's making me keep waking up. Have been off all booze & drugs since new year and going to the gym about 3-4 times a week and my sleep has slightly improved but still waking up a good few times a night. Don't know how I'll get a good night's sleep at all, don't want to be relying on sleeping tablets. Think I'll need to go back to the docs again and see if they'll suggest anything, can't keep feeling this tired in work all my days.
 
Problem with me is if im anxious, just forget sleep. Honestly im terrible :| cant sleep for shit if i have a job interview for example then i Will get like 2 hours max i can guarantee. I cant relax for shit i have no fucking idea how people fall asleep in about 5 mins every night
 
I have had mild insomnia since December to one degree or another & it's really starting to piss me off.

I believe anxiety is the cause but it's bad enough that I have trouble remembering things & concentrating. My anxiety is also much worse when I sleep poorly. I also can't do as much as exercise as I'd like to (which is a lot really) because I'm not getting enough rest. My intermittent IBS is probably caused by anxiety too.

I've been waking up earlier & earlier for the past month or so. I'm now waking up around 5:30am & just dozing until I get up at 6:00-6:30am. I got a blackout blind recently but it's made no difference whatsoever. Thankfully, I'm not waking up 4-5 times or having trouble getting back to sleep in the middle of the night like before. It all seemed to start with waking up needing the toilet, which no cause has been found for. It's not so bad because I fall asleep again quickly but I always seem to sleep much lighter afterwards & wake up at least twice before getting up.

It's very frustrating, I rarely sleep for longer than 3 hours in a go before waking up - I am getting an average of 6 hours of interrupted sleep probably. I follow sleep hygiene & I'm not sure what to do. I tried going to bed later in the hope I'd wake up later but it doesn't work. I don't want to go to bed earlier than 10pm.

I read something that says you need to reset your body clock sometimes - perhaps the waking up to urinate has screwed me up alongside anxiety & it's just the norm now. I read prescription sleep pills short term can help with that. I suppose I could try staying up really late but that might just make things really shitty anxiety wise the next day if it goes wrong. I am currently trying some Kalms herbal sleeping tablets. I've not noticed much difference yet but they are meant to take a week or two to work.

I'm really considering throwing in the towel and... a) getting some prescription sleeping pills, & b) doing a short course of SSRIs (I was offered but refused; I'm probably going to be doing some CBT when I hear back from my Psychiatrist anyway).

*EDIT* Oh, I used to have terrible trouble falling asleep as a teenager.. would take at least 1-2 hours to fall asleep. Sometimes I would take longer & get sleep paralysis too. I suspect sleep hygiene is the only reason I manage to fall asleep quickly now. I suppose I am just prone to insomnia in some respects. :\
 
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^whats your caffeine use and your ketamine use like?
did you use ket or md a lot as a teen?

May seem like odd questions but the caffeine for the insomnia obviously, and then a lot of my 'free party friends' regularly complain about not being able to sleep or have sleep paralysis a lot and am wondering if it's linked - they are the kind to absolutely bosh their drugs. I also only experienced sleep paralysis around the time or doing dissociates/lots of md frequently.
 
MD gives me some bad sleep paralysis sometimes, never had it after dissocatives

Worst sleep paralysis ive had was in 2011 if i recall... sleepless mashup on booze, meph and md... got home mid day... went to sleep on my bed... snapped awake and couldnt move, started to panic like what the fuck... felt like a ghost or something was sat on me running its fingers down my body, tingly ghost rape... fell asleep again and had some weird fucked up dreams, then it happened again

Sometimes get full on lucid dreams as well, full conscious in my dreams, scared the shit out of me the first time... ran around in my dream trying to get people to wake me up, and they kept telling me i was awake... but every time i looked in a mirror or at a clock everything went distorted and trippy, thought i was never gonna wake up again and end up stuck in this dream... then woke up... to find myself still dreaming.... then woke up again... and realized i was still dreaming.... then actually properly woke up... and felt odd for about 20 mins, like i wasnt properly awake or something
 
My sleep problems have nothing to do with drugs. (Caffeine free since December too) As I said, I follow sleep hygiene ;)

Been awake on & off since 4:30am... Bit the bullet & got up 30 mins ago... :!

When I say as a teenager I mean like 14-15 before I even started using drugs. I didn't use anything other than weed pretty much until I was 21.

Sleep paralysis has taken many forms with me. The most terrifying was probably waking up, unable to move & sort of being aware of what I thought was some light moving around my room. Thought aliens were in my room or something... Your brain just tries to rationalise what is going on & it has some weird outcomes. First few times I honestly thought I was dying for a few seconds.
 
It's fucking horrible and I hate it. My evenings before work are always centered on the clock - anxious eye keeps on focusing on that cunting social institution. I'm in bed by 11 usually, but rarely am asleep until 1. Feel like shit when the alarm goes off, snooze for five minutes. I used to be worse and would actually just say fuck it, roll over and not get up. Lost jobs that way. I used to always miss the first lesson of school or sleep through it. The worst is when you consign yourself to a sleepless night and then push on through the day for work. At about 11am, I feel like dying. Processing has gone to shit, everything feels hardly real. But weirdly, after midday I get used to the sleep deprivation and don't feel awful for the rest of my work. Get home and usually crash at 7 and then I've got some boring, conformist's sleep-pattern for a few days. Which usually ends when the weekend swings around and I've become fully committed to a night of substances and watching shit until bird calls depressingly sound.

It's not even like you actually properly escape when you're asleep. Dreams can be such an ordeal. You enter this other world, with another unlimited amount of problems to contend with. It's tedious and awful. Benzos can help, at first, but now they just exacerbate the whole pattern. So groggy when I wake up and that taste - eurgh, fuck that taste. Sometimes they knock you out quickly but you awake at some god-awful hour and can't get back to sleep again.

Life is shit.
 
If your dreams are also disturbing, it would suggest that anxiety is an issue for you? Benzos are only a short term fix - I assume you know that much. You might find that using some SSRIs might help to relieve your stress & thus help you sleep better. You should always try do some CBT alongside medication otherwise it won't make a lasting difference.

Sounds like you are just stuck in a cycle that is compounding itself. Hope you manage to sort something out... you'll manage.

I don't particularly feel or get anxious about things all the time, but I'm quite sure it's the cause in my case. I'd stopped using Nicotine at the beginning of November, so I reckon I'd just been masking my anxiety with my smoking & of course drug use.
 
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