Opioids Sleep deprived....What should I do??

[jeng1128]

So I really don't know what to do. Ill try to keep this short but I have to give you some backround info. I am currently coming off of Methadone & Diazapam. Im pretty much at the end of both. I am currently on 35mgs of meth & 14mgs/diazapam daily. When it comes to night time I cant sleep at all. Unfourtunetly when I get my dose at 6am I am so tired from the night before I end up falling asleep for 4-5 hours. I dont work,my fiancee works & thinks this is a great oppurtunity to come off everything bc he wants a baby. Anyways If i didnt sleep that 4-5 hours in the am would I be able to sleep through the night or would it not matter that much bc im assuming the meth is out of my system. When I take my am dose of diazapam I cant keep my eyes open but at night the same dose does absolutly nothing. Im not dumb,of course i know it would help a little if i didnt sleep during the day but im thinking it would be that inturupted toss & turn nightmare dope sick sleep. Like I said Im fourtunite enough to not have a job so it dosnt really matter. Any inputs would be appriciated as its 3:31am & Im writing this. Its kinda sad Im counting down the 2 hours before I can start getting ready to go take my dose. Last night i was so desperate i took one of my fiancees 2mg klonopins. It did nothing.
Thanks
Jen

 

[laugh]

the problem isnt the am sleep its the meth im sorry to say. i think you realise this though. i used to have the same problem smoking pip to get through my long hours of work during the day and then needing to use benzos to sleep at night, it wore me down in the end and the shit hit the fan.

i know that when im not working or studying or keeping myself busy i have too much free time on my hands and usually end up taking way too many drugs.

all the best with finding a healthy balance and the baby Jen.

 

[jeng1128]

Yah...i kinda figured that. Thats why I get the sleep when I can. Im not prego or anything im not even ready. My fiancees 45(almost) &im 29 & we bith dont have children. But I wanna be totally clean for 6months before Ill consider getting pregnant. Hes older so he wants it now. I explained its not that easy!!

 

[jambabomba]

Do you have to take that valium at 6am? Sounds really that you wouldn't need it if it puts you in a sleep at morning. Move that dose to evening? At least thats what I did and do when I taper; benzos only in the evening.

Valium halflife is so long that at those doses I think there isn't very much fluctuations in plasma levels during day. It would be different if you were eating ex. over 100mg valium per day but you are down to 14mg so I don't see point to take it at morning. Or if you can't handle WD symptoms then could you take smaller dose and try to take as big dose as possible only in one time at evening?

 

[Znegative]

Yeah, if your goal is to really get clean (which sounds like it sincerely is, god knows That takes some strength!) than I might rethink tapering off of both the methadone and the Valium at the same time first of all, as you're not making it easier on yourself.

Also, how long have you been on this reduced dose, and at what rate are you going down (on the methadone). Usually it will take around one to two weeks for your body to stabilize, so if it hasn't been that long I recommend you waiting it out a while longer and perhaps staying at 35mg for a month (or until you get to the point where it holds you 24 hours-and you can get sleep!) and then reducing from that point. The most important thing is that you taper off in a fashion that suits you the best. If that means it takes a year, than so be it. Loss of sleep and depression go hand in hand, as does relapsing. I wish you luck!

 

[bfisher]

'I am currently coming off of Methadone & Diazapam. Im pretty much at the end of both. I am currently on 35mgs of meth & 14mgs/diazapam daily.'

If youre taking 35mg of methadone and 14mg diazepam daily, youre not coming off of either of them, youve got a Long way to go

'Im not dumb,of course i know it would help a little if i didnt sleep during the day but im thinking it would be that inturupted toss & turn nightmare dope sick sleep'

Again, if youre dosing 35mg's of methadone, youre not getting dope sick or going into any stage of withdrawl at all,



To successfully get off methadone you have to slowely lower your dose over time all the way down to 1-5MG, the lower the better and easier... if u try and detox from 35mg you wont last 4days.
I am on methadone treatment and im currently at 45mg coming down from 120mg. i dropped my dose 10mg per week until i got to 50mg and now im dropping 5mg a week til i get to 25 or so, then i will have to slow it down a bit. I suggest you start lowering your dose weekly if possible, everyone is different when it comes to how much their body can handle dropping at a time and how quickly so youll have to try that out for yourself but at the least you can do 3mg/weekly.
As far as the sleeping, methadone lasts a verrry long time, so taking a 3-4hr nap during the day isnt going to keep you from sleeping at night. If you Really cant sleeep at night why dont you save some of your diazepam dose so u can take it at night ? If thats not an option, try goin to ur pharmacy and buying any otc sleep aid - Nytol, Tylenol PM, zzzQuil, advil sleep, etc. - theyre all the same thing when it comes to the active ingrediant for sleeping which is either 25mg or 50mg of benadryl. If 1 or 2 of those doesnt put u to sleep, see your doctor and talk to him/her about it.

Do u have your methadone carries ? or are u witness dosing 7days a week at the clinic ? If you have carries, dont drink ur methadone dose until ur up from napping.

 

[jeng1128]

Lol....trust me it wouldnt have been so fast but having someone constantly on you gets really annoying(not to mentiin i dont like confrentation!) In April I was on a split dose of 160(yes i know its alot,80 in the am & 80 in the pm) I got down to 60 relitivly easy but then when I went trom 60 2 50mgs & that sucked so I started going down in incriments of 5 & not 10. Ive been on 35 for almost a month but its gotten alot harder so I refuse to go down more until i feel ready. I am planning on going on subutex(short term under a month I already have it planned out w my dr) He wants me to be on 20mgs of meth before i switch to subutex but I know once I get on subutex I have 3 weeks or Ill become addicted to it & this will all have been for nothing.

My fiancee is still harassing me to get to 20(hes on suboxone & has been for years)but i am putting my foot down here. I wjll NOT go down until im ready. I know hes older & wants a baby but im 29 & have a little more time left on my biological clock lol!! Surprisingly the diazapam taper hasnt been that bad but im doing that really slow. But im down to 14mgs a day & this is really good for me. Its just so weird I can sleep fine in the am but tve night comes & boom i cant sleep!!

 

[T. Calderone]

I know you don't want a confrontation with your fiance, but you have to go at your own pace. Say what if you decide a year from now that you're planning to get pregnant and then can't conceive? I knew a couple that tried so hard but she just could not get pregnant and they were so disheartened.

It would kinda bother me that he expects you to get off all substances very quickly. Is he going to stay on suboxone and klonopin? Not trying to be negative but reminds me of when I got pregnant unexpectedly, I quit smoking weed and beer. Yet my husband was getting drunk off his face worse than ever and I felt resentful.

On the plus side, my baby had his days and nights mixed up. So I had to sleep during the day when he did because he was up most of the night in the beginning. Wish you luck!

 

[BlueHues]

Are you going from methadone to suboxone only to detox off the suboxone? Or are you planning on staying on the subs for awhile? Because switching can really suck for a lot of people... Who knows though. It was easier for me to get off methadone than it was suboxone.

I've been there, where you're up all night, unable to sleep and waiting for the clinic to open. Then, when you get your dose, you just wanna go to sleep. It sounds like the dose isn't carrying you the whole 24 hours, which is bound to happen coming down from 160....I would stay at 35 until you're comfortable and then go from there. You should force yourself to stay up all day so that you can sleep at night, if you can.

 

[stivsmegg]

yeah, methadone is a bitch to come off of. i am a lifer on 120 mgs with no hope of coming off, i commend you for the will power.

 

[bfisher]

subutex is just as addictive as methadone... and u know that when u switch from methadone to subutex u need to be in full withdrawl right ? u have to go without ur methadone for 2-3 days before they will give u a subutex... 90% of tapering off methadone is in ur head ive learned, if u scare urself into thinking ur gonna feel a decrease in dose, u will feel it... thats just how it is.

 

[jeng1128]

Personally i disagree that you wont feel wds if youve come from 160 to 35(& ive been on it for 4 years) It has not been "easy" at all actually. Maybe youre different & you can come down from 45 to 1 mg & not feel any wds. Youd be very lucky. As I stated Im trying to get to 20 to get on to subutex. I really dont like it when someone tells me that i havnt done anything & theres no way I could feel wds bc thats just not true.

Bfisher-this has been a struggle for me & for you to just tell me im wrong is kinda hurtful. I truley believe that you can feel wds at 35 &i NEVER said i was jumping off from there. I know that would be stupid...Im not new to meth. Obviously you didnt even read my whole post bc i talked about taking more diazapam at night so for you to judge wo even reading the whole post is IGNORENT!!

 

[BlueHues]

I'm a fellow New Englander, from RI, whatever that's worth....IME, if you're coming off of dope and you take 35mg of methadone, that's enough to hold most people even with large habits....That doesn't mean you get bombed, it just holds you

Tapering off of methadone is different...I agree that a lot of it is psychological, but it's not all in your head...You should do what you're comfortable with. but understand, there's no way to get off scott free...

I found, even when I was on a high dose of methadone, sometimes I would start getting a runny nose and feel kind of achey in the early morning hours 2-6 AM....It's kind of like a false sickness though, because even if I missed my dose, I still wouldn't really get sick that day

Do what you're comfortable with, it's your body and your life and staying on methadone is preferable to relapse...But if you're boyfriend is acting all "holier than thou" because he's on Sub, that's bullshit too....Getting off sub sucks too! It's scary I know, but it's not THAT bad as long as you don't just jump off...
And, IMHO, jumping from methadone to subs, just to do a detox from the subs is more trouble than it's worth..

 

[Tommyboy]

You will probably have a higher chance of staying clean if you taper at a comfortable pace. If you do a quick taper it won't do any good if you feel so bad that it causes you to relapse. I suggest tell this to your fiance so they don't try to force you to do things faster than usual.

How do you split your valium dose? I think you should do a small dose in the morning and save the majority for the night. If you plan on getting off of both the methadone and valium then I suggest getting off the methadone first, and then tapering off of the valium. Opioid withdrawal causes a lot of insomnia and anxiety, so you are going to want to have valium to help you through that.

 

[chrisalt]

Benzos are known to screw up your REM sleep (the part of your sleep cycle where you get the most rest) You only hit this point after about 3 hours of being continuously asleep. Your body is adjusting to being without its drugs. When i went off clonazepam after 2 years use the first time i slept like 2 hours a night and not all at once. This went on for like 1 month and got slowly better. Just wait till alll the drugs are out of your system then give it a sometime(like 3-6 months) and your sleep will go back to the way it was before drugs. BTW if you can manage to not sleep during to the day for like a week give it a try. It may help you at night more then you think and if it does not work there is nothing lost.

hope you feel better
Chris

 

[chrisalt]

im sure he realizes its not that easy but the man is 45. If you had a kid tomorrow he would be 65 when the kid is 20.... See why he is in a rush? for instance say you have a son with this man, and you son dosent have a kid till he is 45. Im sure your fiancee just wants to see his kids kid so hes rushing you.

 

[T. Calderone]

I see what you mean Chris. If I had a fiance that was so serious about having a baby at his age, I might encourage him to see a reproduction specialist. He could get his sperm count and kept if needed for in-vitro in the future. I only say this because my friend could not get pregnant. That was nearly 20 years ago and medical science has made some strides since then.

As far as naps go, when I worked a 9 to 5 job sometimes I would sleep maybe an hour when I got home. Then have dinner but even for that short while, I noticed I had trouble getting to bed on time and staying asleep. So Jen, it seems like you're getting the bulk of quality sleep time during the day. The past three days, I made sure to get up by 7 and take no naps. But my sleep is still shitty at night even took benedryl. I guess it takes time to reset your body's clock or maybe I just sleep better during the day.

 

[bfisher]

I read your post and i never judged u nor was rude, i was jus saying that if ur at 35mg of juice ur far from being done.

And as far as w/ding, Everyone reacts differently to it and is affected differently. But 1 thing that doesnt change from person to person is that until you want nothing more but to Taper your dose and Get Off Methadone and ur not thinking 'oh well what if i get sick ?' or until you arent second guessing Anything and get in the mindstate of "I want this so bad im going to do it no matter what", no1 will get off methadone. You will not succeed in tapering until theres nothing u want more.

 

[jeng1128]

Yah well the truth is I was prego before w him so i know we can concieve. Unfourtunetly(i hope noone is judgmental) that w my dose of methadone & with the amount of xanax i was doing I had to terminate the pregnancy. I just didnt want a baby born addicted to meth & benzos. I think this hit my fiancee pretty hard. He still makes comments like"this xmas was suposed to be so different." Trust me i WANT to get off methadone more than anything...i think its normal to be scared rather than say fuck this, end up relapsing & being at square one.
And according to him when his work slows down in winter(hes a contractor) he will get off the subs(he dosnt take the kpins just sells them.) I do find it highly suspect that he had his drs apt yesterday & he got his rxs(60 8mg subs/daily w 4 refills) that would put us at March where his work would start back up so I dont think hes gonna do it. Really bc it dosnt matter for the guy just for us girls which sucks. He just dosnt want to be an "old" father. But Ive thought about it & Im gonna go at my own pace. If it bothers him that much hell have to break up w me. Which he says hell never do but i refuse to be bullied to go down on my meth quicker than i see fit. Ive done it thus far & have talked w my counslor & dr who both say the same thing. You know your body & in the long run whats 6 months compared to the rest of your life.....nothing.

 

[Tony Williams]

I dont get you? you are on both meds meth n diaz have you been stablsied on that? why can you not sleep? something else or do you think wd's?

maybe underdosed? Personally I would try for a split dose day n night.