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Six in hospital after taking "2-CB"

Shambles said:
I wouldn't call it "stupidty" on their part as such, more just lack of education and information.
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I admit that "stupidity" was indeed the wrong choice of words. I apologize for that one. You named it much better and actually that's what I meant in the first place.

knockando said:
It's not nonsense, we're not talking about people who's only goal is to minimise risk, they're already taking risks by being involved in drugs. People are subject to forces of different degrees, and by creating a black market prohibition is a force operating against the open flow of information about drugs.
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I disagree. In the age of the internet everybody (at least in the western world; maybe not in China) is able to gather the necessary information we are talking about. For one thing, there is Bluelight, isn't it? Or Erowid. Both sites are among the first hits whenever I google for a novel designer drug.

knockando said:
Congratulations for being one of those people who never does stupid things.
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I don't remember having said that. In fact, I once poisoned myself with a mislabelled drug, too, albeit this didn't get me to the hospital. Nonetheless did I learn a lot from this experience.

Transform said:
Regulate it, make a single dose of each one pretty similar cost and you're away. The pharmacist gets a flat salary and the lab gets dicthed and fined if they try anything funny.
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Transform and others commented my post with this argument - again, I (partially) disagree. The rate of such incidents is likely to go down to some degree, correct. But please have a critical look for comparison eg. at Viagra: There are HUGE amounts of fake Viagra being sold, mostly because the original product is kinda expensive and there is a great public demand. Sometimes these fake products don't contain anythimg harmful ... sometimes they do. This applies to numerous other pharmaceuticals, too. Furthermore, a considerable part of the current drug trade (I refer to 'official' pharmaceuticals here) is done via the internet, without the control of any skilled pharmacist.
Hence, I conclude: Legalisation (did I mention that I'm actually a proponent?) and regulation are anything but a guarantee for safe recreational drug use. In particular (!) when such widely popular compounds like psychoactive drugs are involved. For this reason I consider education much more powerful than legalisation/regulation as a means to avoid incidents like the one discussed in this thread - thus referring to the first quote above again.

parttime crackhead said:
Hyperthesis - I suppose you send a sample off for full-on GC/MS (or whatever the fuck it's called) tests every single time you buy drugs from any source? Or do you only ever create them yourself from scratch?
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Mostly, both. Although I prefer a combo of NMR and HPLC/MS instead.
Of course, this isn't available to the wide public. But there are other, cheaper methods. TLC for example is really easy to perform for the layman, low-tech and much more reliable than simple colour test a lá Marquis and alike. I'd still recommend the latter to gather additional information. And both TLC and colour tests take less than an hour to perform. Why isn't anybody offering simple TLC-at-home-kits like there are offering colour tests (eg. EZ test)? As this thread demonstrates once again, there is a demand, isn't it?
 
Hyperthesis said:
TLC for example is really easy to perform for the layman, low-tech and much more reliable than simple colour test a lá Marquis and alike. I'd still recommend the latter to gather additional information. And both TLC and colour tests take less than an hour to perform. Why isn't anybody offering simple TLC-at-home-kits like there are offering colour tests (eg. EZ test)? As this thread demonstrates once again, there is a demand, isn't it?
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I believe that simple TLC kits are being investigated by a couple of companies at the moment for mass-marketing. I'll see if I can dig out the reference to where I heard that.
 
Hyperthesis said:
I disagree. In the age of the internet everybody (at least in the western world; maybe not in China) is able to gather the necessary information we are talking about. For one thing, there is Bluelight, isn't it? Or Erowid. Both sites are among the first hits whenever I google for a novel designer drug.
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You make a lot of assumptions about the opportunities other people have to educate themselves.
 
pontifex01 said:
Man I have to disagree. We've all got access to Google for god's sake. Or anyway, if you're buying RCs off the internet it means you in particular have access to the interet at that given point in time, why not use it to read up on what you've just bought?
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We're not just talking about RCs, we're not necessarily talking about getting them off the internet, and no, we don't all have access to google. I personally know people (relatives) who have had only intermittent access to the internet over the last few years due to poverty. Stop thinking in your own comfy box.
 
2C-B looks likes The Suns new enemy..

Anyway Emma Barnes, thanks for you long and insightful story, wonder how much she got for it?

A GIRL who tried to throw herself out a window after taking danger drug 2CB yesterday warned fellow teens to shun it.
Emma Barnes, 19, who was stopped from jumping, was taken to hospital to be sedated but sank her teeth into a cop first.
Boyfriend Shaun Kirkby, 24, had grabbed her legs as police raced to her house in Kendal, Cumbria. He said: “She had the strength of ten.”
Emma admitted assaulting a cop at Kendal magistrates court and was told to pay PC Jayne Carpenter £300 compensation.
She was put on supervision, must attend a drug awareness course and do 100 hours unpaid work.
Emma, who had been hallucinating that she was being tortured, vowed never again to take the banned drug.
She said: “It nearly killed me. It has put me off drugs completely.”
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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4750162/2CB-drug-nearly-left-me-dead-says-teen.html
 
You've gotta be kidding. "Strength of ten men" and "tried to throw herself out a window"?!? Is this the height of the 60s acid era America? Are they sure she wasn't on PCP? Fuck's sake 8)
 
those "cops" programs showing partially naked black dudes going beserk and needing 10 coppers may have happened once or twice but 2cb turning teenagers into drug crazed supermen riiiite sounds plausable...esp if your a tabloid paper reader X-(
 
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2CB is the new PCP?


Edit - Ninja'd (well, not exactly ninja'd, that post was half an hour earlier lol, I should refresh tabs before posting if they've been open for a while).
 
Wonder if some Sun reporter was watching that Storyville doc t'other night and thought "Ooh! Not had a "new" drug that gives folk the strength of ten men and makes 'em jump out of windows since... well.. whatever the last big scare story we ran was". Fit of nostalgia methinks. Sad thing is that folk will still believe it cos they've forgotten the last time the media tried to pull such shite on 'em already :\

Been the same story more or less verbatim since the early 1900s. You'd think folk would get wise to it but no 8)
 
They didn't actually say 10 men though. Maybe the coppers said "She had the strength of ten kittens" & they decided to casually leave the last bit off the quote.
 
^ Methinks you were meaning to post that in ED, Acieed ;)

By golly you're right, PTCH. Really does rather beg the question "ten what?". Certainly makes for more interesting possibilities =D
 
2-CB or formerly known as 10-CB, as it gives the user the strength of ten holy men, someone email the sun
 
2CB drug nearly left me dead says teenager

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4750162/2CB-drug-nearly-left-me-dead-says-teen.html

the comment under made me laugh,

"I've experimented with drugs in the past, but nothing with a stupid name like 2CB or whatever. This drug will be renamed over and over and over again as junkies experiment more with it, until it has a 90% mortality rate."

people who come out with stupid shit like that need a good slapping
 
Already been posted in some other thread but well worth taking the piss out of here too =D

Liked this comment...

another reason for drugs to be legalised, so kids aren't shoving this sort of carp in their body and may get some education on not taking at all. When will the government learn that crime will continue to rise and kids will keep dying until they do something.

The definition of insanity is when people (or a government) keep trying the same thing expecting to get a different result.

Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...rly-left-me-dead-says-teen.html#ixzz2IQmstFbI
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ColtDan said:
"I've experimented with drugs in the past, but nothing with a stupid name like 2CB or whatever. This drug will be renamed over and over and over again as junkies experiment more with it, until it has a 90% mortality rate."
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=D wtff?? :?
 
Surely you know that's how it works with drugs, MM? If they have a name that sounds silly (ie a chemical name rather than a brand name) then it's obviously gonna be more dangerous. The less user-friendly the name the more lethal it gets. When cannabis is renamed to XCV-62g-PGQ097[#<ad?>] it'll kill at least 96.3% of anyone that smokes it. Basic chemistry and branding innit 8)
 
done pontifex! I don''t mind being told what to do.

As long as it's not eating halibut from farmaz' ass.
 
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