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Significantly reducing the bodyload of PEAs

Obsidius

Obsidius

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Please help me with some mythbusting and infosharing here.

I want to know definite ways to reduce (or even eliminate) the bodyload & comeup discomfort (jitters, nausea, sweats, tremors some PEAs like 2C-P, 2C-E ect give.

I'm especially interested in different ROAs (many people mention plugging) versus preloaders like Diphenhydramine.

Also can anyone make like some sort of an index, which PEA has the least/minimal bodyload with which strategy. ie 2C-E -> DPH, 3C-P -> plugging ect.. i know this sounds like subjective territory, but i think on some issues there will be a consensus.
 
No clue about the DPH or how smoking compares but generally speaking I would say:

snorting < oral < plugging

With injecting, I have only IMed 2C-C which normally is a mild and timid drug, it was not that it felt ferocious like when snorted but that I got this creepy shallow breathing effect and a feeling of unhealth that made me reconsider IMing other phenethylamines.

How aggressive the trip gets depending on ROA, I would rate like this:

oral < plugging < snorting

So to sum up I think me and many others find plugging superior because it doesn't give a weak result but is still fairly clean in the feeling it gives.

Smoking may be drug-dependent how superior or inferior it is but I have heard both negative sides to it as well as positive sides (shortening duration of psychedelic amphetamines for example).
 
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Hi!

My experience with Phenethylamines isn't hugely extensive but I have been bothered by the bodyload & nauseating come-up on 2c-e & 2c-c quite reglarly, less so on 2c-t-2 but it's still present. Doc has also brought one session of vomiting on come-up, but that's after over a dozen trials.

I found that with the 2c-e in particular I could easilly reduce the bodyload by staggering my dosage. Say if I choose to take 15mg of 2c-e I'll divide the pile into three equal heaps, rizla them up & swallow one an hour. This makes bodyload far more bearable though also does make it last a little longer. With 2c-c 30mg at once was uncomfortable physically, but 3x20mg doses, approx half hour apart, brought a gorgeous trip with only minor discomfort.
 
Did anybody try some not so strong tranquilizers like 1g of GHB or maybe a low dose of Kratom to alleviate the symptoms?
GHB could work well during the come up and then fade out so have just your phenethylamine working.

Im just not sure if GABAergics dont kill the whole trip
 
cpuller said:
Did anybody try some not so strong tranquilizers like 1g of GHB or maybe a low dose of Kratom to alleviate the symptoms?
GHB could work well during the come up and then fade out so have just your phenethylamine working.

Im just not sure if GABAergics dont kill the whole trip
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i take some dissociative wich for me results in no bodyload + it boosts the trip. tried ghb in the come up of lsd, but then the trip wasn't as trippy(didn;t entierly kill it but still)
 
DPH, ginger extract, low dose of benzo/etizolam, immodium

there you go the panacea for psychedelic come ups. lol for me anyway. Sometimes i dont use DPH tho depends on the psych. Immodium is essential for the 2c and PEA in general as anything that i consume before or after turns into liquid shit and i feel like a sewer letting it flow through me. Oh the fun.
 
Ginger, benzos and/or plugging. Never tried with DPH but I am not too keen, delirium isn't fun at the best of times.

Benzos will never "kill" a trip, they will dull it down, depending on the doses they can almost dull it all the way down. Low dose benzo with high dose psychedelic, the benzo will barely be noticable and vice versa.

If you want to "kill" a trip I would look more to things like Mirtazapine or Seroquel.
 
Jakeperson said:
Ginger, benzos and/or plugging. Never tried with DPH but I am not too keen, delirium isn't fun at the best of times.
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The dose of DPH used is far less than what is required for deliriant effects, no more than what you would usually take if you had allergies. That being said i still prefer not to take it because even 25mg makes me a bit sleepy. Fasting on the day of, and ginger if needed, is all it takes to eliminate the worst of the body load. Staggering your doses would also be a good idea.
 
Hmm IME, GHB or alcohol don't kill trips - I don't even think GHB dulls them, rather I just feel like I am floating on a cloud while tripping. Alcohol is a lot more sloppy. Benzo's, well they are different and actually dull trips. Remember that GHB is not only a GABAergic but at moderate doses it acts a lot on the GHB receptor which does not actually mediate depressant effects.

With mescaline I staggered my doses the few times I did it, and although it did not eliminate nausea or vomiting for 100%, it only happened in very contained episodes and it hardly bothered me. With compounds like 2C-T-7 or 2C-E, I felt like on T-7 part of the nausea could not be avoided and was dependent on very elusive factors (read below) while on 2C-E it felt to me like it mattered a lot if I was in good shape when I started. However the T-7 discomfort was entirely worth the grand experiences I had with it!
Also getting mentally or spiritually centered through things like meditation can make a world of difference with compounds like 2C-E. I believe that a lot of discomfort can arise from getting used to the effects starting in an 'unstable' manner. It can feel like energy is starting to surge in your body and mind. Not paying the due attention to this can make the energetic feeling be involuted and manifest as body load or nausea or anxiety. Conversely, if this feeling is channeled by paying attention to it and sort of willing it yet allowing it, giving it a proper place in the experience, can eliminate most of the discomfort.
The only DOX that I tried was DOB and it just felt like any discomfort was because it is an amphetamine and it could not be avoided, also it seemed minor.
 
GBL (GHB) can remove some anxiety IME but it's inferior to benzos in that it has many other effects than anxiolysis and its anxiolysis is not that great. Its short duration and incredibly fast onset does make it very useful for those familiar with it, but otherwise I would recommend benzos.
 
2c-e has always given me a hard time. Uncomfortable body load that leads to some negative introspection and loss of ego. 1-2mg of klonopin made 15mg trips very bearable. Very dull trips though. I would hardly call it a psychedelic experience. Not something I would bother doing.
 
I found with a recent trial that with plugging, I was able to avoid all the negative symptoms such as body load and nausea with 2c-t-7 and also the pleasant entactogenic effects of this compound were aloud to shine through unhindered by body aches and nausea. It had the quick come-up effects of intranasal administration but without the violent nausea and pain that usual accompanies insufflation.

I have smoked 2c-e, and 2c-p together and on their own and the body load was negligible. There is a lot to smoke though, you need 1/2 to 2/3rds of your oral dose to get where you're going but that is also highly dependent on your smoking technique (avoid using too much heat). It takes 5-10 minutes to get a sense of where you are going to be this way.

I also did a 2c-e and 2c-p combo while on a 5-6 hour bike ride, this eliminated the restless leg syndrome and overall soreness of my body when going to sleep after. It also made going to sleep so much easier. The marathonesque bike ride that I endured made going up hills more painful then normal but the endorphins that were flowing going down hill and giving my legs a rest was wonderful.

Oh and also, Diphenhydramine didn't seem to lessen body load for me. It helps a bit with nausea though. As far as substances that provide relief from the body load, I usually take ginseng and amino acid complex pills...I don't know if vasodilators are what has lessened the body load for me by lessening strain caused by vasoconstriction though, I could have just built a tolerance to this effect maybe. MXE works wonders though, I keep the dose quite low so the dissociation isn't tainting the main event.
 
Ah, nice thread since this bothers a lot of people.
From my experience with 2c-b 15mg plugged produced significantly less bodyload than 20mg oral.

The staggering method also works pretty good. 5mg initially and 45-60 minutes later 15-20mg oral reduced the side effects about ~50%.

Another thing that could work is Gabapentin/Pregabalin. Never tried that but these substances usually help a lot with the side effects of stims.
Anyone here who took PEAs with one of them?
 
Some good suggestions here.
I've also found that movement seems to help me with the bodyload. I've enjoyed 2C-E & 2C-I while at fests, and the constant moving & dancing really reduced nausea & aches.
 
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