Shrooms + Poor Digestive System

[Mac98]

Hi everyone,

Last week my friend told me his work-buddies were going to mount royal (mountain overlooking the whole city of Montreal) to do shrooms and have fun and I was invited. I've never done shrooms but have wanted to, now, for the longest time. I've done Salvia and loved the trip though I'm aware that it's not really anything like it. I'm not really scared of badtripping (well, I am, but I try not to think about it too much) but one thing DOES trouble me...

I have a very weak digestive system. I've had problems with this since I'm 10. I have a hard time digesting stuff like fats (pizza, cheeseburgers, hot dogs, etc.) or spices, garlic, etc. In fact, they give me terrible stomach pains.

I wanted to know if this should prevent me from taking shrooms or if it wouldn't be that big a deal. Worst case scenario is that I puke, right? Nothing really terrible about that? But at the same time, I don't want to be tripping on mush and feel queesy and sick all night...

So that's my question: Is this a problem or is it nothing to be worried about?

And if it is a problem, is there another way of taking psilocybin without actually eating shrooms? (Capsules or whatever...)

Thanks in advance

 

[vibrancy3]

I dont know much on this subject, haven only done shrooms a handful of times, but if you feel your digestive system can't handle the shrooms you could do an alcohol extraction of a certain psilocybin species

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5068121#5068121

 

[snafu]

Chew them up and let them sit in ur mouth/ on ur tongue for a while swallow them slowly over time.

 

[Ralt]

I am the same way, my stomach is a bitch, I've given up on eating shrooms altogether even though I've partaken around 60 times. Too much nausea, I prefer a nice easy to digest dose of 4-ho-met or 4-aco-dmt.

If you do it though, bring pot. Lots of pot. Don't be afraid of vomiting either, it happens sometimes.

 

[azgaza]

If you are a bit resistant to having a very bad taste in your mouth you could just chew them up and leave the mush in your mouth, still chewing a bit maybe, for about 15 minutes, you could even take the mush out of your mouth again because most of the psilocibin should then be absorbed sublingually, therefor never entering the stomach.

I should warn you about the taste of doing that though, but it might be worth giving a try if your stomach is very sensitive, as even for me with a véry strong stomach who can eat absolutely anything shrooms cause a very mild discomfort for up to an hour (not really nausea, but not comfortable either). They are so far the only substance éver for me that caused any discomfort in that area at all.

 

[DwayneHoover]

Get a $10-15 coffee bean grinder (K-MART WalMart etc kitchen supplies area) and grind the shrooms into a fine powder. Mix it with honey or peanut butter and eat. This breaks up all the indigestible cellulose in the shrooms... sure the active alkaloids are slightly nauseating, but MOST of the stomach upset is due just to the physical difficulty digesting the tough fibrous flesh. Chewing does not really break it down enough, but if you turn it into a fine powder with a coffee bean grinder it really does eliminate the stomach issues... the particles are so fine that they seem to just go right thru the stomach into the intestines no digestion needed, then are absorbed very very quickly. They come on faster and stronger when powdered as well for this reason.

A little bit of pot should also help reduce nausea reaction, but it does not take much, just 2-3 tokes really, and too much weed can make the experience kind of cloudy and confusing, instead of crystalline and clear, so just toke a little bit till you can just start to feel it, that should be plenty to block the nausea, thats all it takes really.

 

[Bkhaze]

Worst case scenario is that I puke, right? Nothing really terrible about that?

For me, throwin up isn't the worst that can happen. The last time I ate shrooms I got REALLY bad stomache cramps, not naseau. It was definitly the batch of shrooms though because everyone else who ate em felt the same thing.

 

[Solipsis]

Make mushroom tea, or chew dried mushrooms for a really long while, only swallowing your saliva but not the mushrooms themselves.

What might actually upset your stomach is not so much the active compounds but the fibers of the mushroom tissue. There is none of that tissue if you let the tryptamines get absorbed in your mouth after which you spit it out - and also none when you make tea. With chewing there is a real chance of losing alkaloids depending on how well you do this. Be modest with your first time dosing but you might want to dose higher on later occasions. Try it first.

Whatever you do, you might still get an upset stomach because of anxiety. There is very little you can do about this, there are a number of remedies but most of them reduce the psychedelic effects. Some of them like GHB and maybe phenibut, pregabalin or gabapentin can help you relax without dampening the trip but they can still surely alter the trip. And I don't recommend combining mushrooms with other drugs unless you get a lot of experience with tripping first.

 

[cryptix420]

For me, throwin up isn't the worst that can happen. The last time I ate shrooms I got REALLY bad stomache cramps, not naseau. It was definitly the batch of shrooms though because everyone else who ate em felt the same thing.

Lol or everyone was just tripping and convinced themselves of it.

 

[Mac98]

I am the same way, my stomach is a bitch, I've given up on eating shrooms altogether even though I've partaken around 60 times. Too much nausea, I prefer a nice easy to digest dose of 4-ho-met or 4-aco-dmt.

If you do it though, bring pot. Lots of pot. Don't be afraid of vomiting either, it happens sometimes.

What exactly is 4-ho-met or 4-aco-dmt? Not exactly sure what those are. And I'm not really afraid of vomitting. What I'm afraid of is having really bad pains or the runs while completely high. I wouldn't want to live through something like that while I'm tripping on shrooms... if you can understand

Make mushroom tea, or chew dried mushrooms for a really long while, only swallowing your saliva but not the mushrooms themselves.

What might actually upset your stomach is not so much the active compounds but the fibers of the mushroom tissue. There is none of that tissue if you let the tryptamines get absorbed in your mouth after which you spit it out - and also none when you make tea. With chewing there is a real chance of losing alkaloids depending on how well you do this. Be modest with your first time dosing but you might want to dose higher on later occasions. Try it first.

Whatever you do, you might still get an upset stomach because of anxiety. There is very little you can do about this, there are a number of remedies but most of them reduce the psychedelic effects. Some of them like GHB and maybe phenibut, pregabalin or gabapentin can help you relax without dampening the trip but they can still surely alter the trip. And I don't recommend combining mushrooms with other drugs unless you get a lot of experience with tripping first.

How exactly do I go about making shroom tea? Is there a topic or thread on bluelight with details on how to make it?

And ya, I could probably chew for a good 15 minutes and swallow only my saliva, but after chewing for 15 minutes, would swallowing it really make it that hard to digest?

 

[Solipsis]

What exactly is 4-ho-met or 4-aco-dmt? Not exactly sure what those are. And I'm not really afraid of vomitting. What I'm afraid of is having really bad pains or the runs while completely high. I wouldn't want to live through something like that while I'm tripping on shrooms... if you can understand

They are research chemicals, synthetic psychedelics that are analogues of the active compounds in mushrooms. Psilocin is a major active principle in mushrooms, the abbreviated chemical structure name is 4-HO-DMT (4-hydroxy-dimethyltryptamine). 4-HO-MET and 4-AcO-DMT are among the compounds as closely related to psilocin as possible without it actually being psilocin. The effects are quite similar but there are differences reported: 4-AcO-DMT is often reported to be smoother and more DMT-like than mushrooms, 4-HO-MET can be more lighthearted than mushrooms but not always. Since they are pure compounds and don't irritate the GI tract they usually don't cause stomach distress. Pure 4-HO-DMT does not either,... I think.

How exactly do I go about making shroom tea? Is there a topic or thread on bluelight with details on how to make it?

And ya, I could probably chew for a good 15 minutes and swallow only my saliva, but after chewing for 15 minutes, would swallowing it really make it that hard to digest?

Yes there is a thread on mushroom tea, go to the Psychedelic Index (link is below in my signature), find the Psilocybin Mushrooms thread, in that thread you will see a list of subthreads, one of which is about tea. I'm not entirely sure there is a tutorial in there, otherwise I am sure you can find it with google and/or by checking the site Shroomery.org

And yeah after chewing mushrooms for 15 minutes they should be easier to digest but fibers are tricky things. I don't know if vegetables usually cause you GI problems but they are full of fibers as well, though not as tough ones as in mushrooms. Similarly fresh mushrooms put into a blender would not have that tough fibers anymore but again I cannot be absolutely positive that they will cause zero issues.
Chewing dried mushrooms is very similar to fresh ones since you rehydrate them in your mouth. You could rehydrate them by putting them in water first but the gooey stuff that results would be far from appetizing indeed.

 

[Mac98]

They are research chemicals, synthetic psychedelics that are analogues of the active compounds in mushrooms. Psilocin is a major active principle in mushrooms, the abbreviated chemical structure name is 4-HO-DMT (4-hydroxy-dimethyltryptamine). 4-HO-MET and 4-AcO-DMT are among the compounds as closely related to psilocin as possible without it actually being psilocin. The effects are quite similar but there are differences reported: 4-AcO-DMT is often reported to be smoother and more DMT-like than mushrooms, 4-HO-MET can be more lighthearted than mushrooms but not always. Since they are pure compounds and don't irritate the GI tract they usually don't cause stomach distress. Pure 4-HO-DMT does not either,... I think.


Yes there is a thread on mushroom tea, go to the Psychedelic Index (link is below in my signature), find the Psilocybin Mushrooms thread, in that thread you will see a list of subthreads, one of which is about tea. I'm not entirely sure there is a tutorial in there, otherwise I am sure you can find it with google and/or by checking the site Shroomery.org

And yeah after chewing mushrooms for 15 minutes they should be easier to digest but fibers are tricky things. I don't know if vegetables usually cause you GI problems but they are full of fibers as well, though not as tough ones as in mushrooms. Similarly fresh mushrooms put into a blender would not have that tough fibers anymore but again I cannot be absolutely positive that they will cause zero issues.
Chewing dried mushrooms is very similar to fresh ones since you rehydrate them in your mouth. You could rehydrate them by putting them in water first but the gooey stuff that results would be far from appetizing indeed.

I'm not sure where on Earth I could find 4-HO-Met or 4-HO-DMT but I'll check it out. I'll probably check out the thread on shrooms for the tea, thanks for that. And if not, then I'll try chewing for 15 minutes or so... I don't get pains from eating veggies unless I eat a LOT. I'll see what happens, but I'm pretty sure if I try it right I'll be ok. 15 minutes of chewing is intense... I don't think any fibre could live through 15 minutes of salivial digestion lol.

Thanks for all the advice! I was hoping I wasn't doomed to never try shrooms

 

[Solipsis]

Yeah saliva has enzymes in them, but that doesn't mean that they will dissolve materials as if they were hydrofluoric acid or the saliva of Jeff Goldblum in the movie 'The Fly'. Fibers are pretty fibrous That said, it depends on how sensitive your stomach is of course, perhaps you will be fine by chewing them for a while. Perhaps it has to be tea. Only one way to find out, man!

I find chewing okay since my stomach is only slightly on the sensitive side but if I were you I would just investigate the tea method and if needed just add a 10% to your dose to account for the loss.

Also, be sure to really squeeze/strain those mushrooms to push everything out, or throw them in a blender to mess them up, then squeeze the hell out of them in a coffee filter or something. Heat from tea can degrade a little, but a major way to loose goodies is to leave them in the mushrooms and not eat them.

For the record: many people eat the mushrooms after they are strained, just to be sure and minimize loss. In your case it should be obvious to leave that part out.

closed!