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Shrooms and dope....?!

dutchie3k

dutchie3k

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I was just hoping to get a general idea of how doing smack while tripping has treated folks...

It's honestly strange as all hell that I have just about no experience to speak of on this. I have an extensive history with just about every single opiate up and down, and almost the same with psychedelics and especially mushrooms. However I never felt compelled to combine the two. Quite the opposite.

The only time I have done opiates while tripping was I believe 4mg hydromorphone snorted while on 4 quality blotters, a dose which at the time would not get me in the least bit high, but which I did purely because even the SLIGHTEST withdrawal sensations while tripping can be utterly horrendous, as well as very, very bizarre and unnerving. Beyond unpleasant....

Today is my good buddy's birthday and we've been doing some QUALITY dope on and off lately. I posed the idea that we should eat some shrooms tonight, and say that if we do I refuse to be withdrawing like I was the last time we ate some, and wanted to get a shred of a sub just to equalize. He says why not get smacked-face while tripping?

I say...why not indeed?!

Curious as to the positive/negative additions this combination provides people as compared to clean tripping. Appreciate it BL ;)
 
they dont mix, it will make the trip much much less intense. Youl be wishing you would have used em separately.

maybe on the comedown they would work though.
 
I always toked on the comedown from shrooms. It made it much more smooth. I never saw a benefit to toking anytime before that while on a trip, though. I also always took several capsules of pure ginger powder, and I never puked on the comeup. :)
 
Feste said:
He means heroin, not weed.

Dope means waaayyy too many drugs. It's a dumb term.
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Ah, thanks for the clarification, which makes my previous post totally irrelevant for the OP now. LOL

You're right, it is a dumb term. I always say "herb" or "cannabis."
 
nvr done H but i did morphine and shrooms once it was great. Typically i get a body load from shrooms and feel sick but i felt good thanks to the morphine. yet i would have to say that it wasnt nearly as intense because of this, good or bad thing? dont know dont care
 
Obligatory heroin is bad, blah blah blah, but you knew that. Shrooms are "bad" too, and you knew that. It's all in how you approach things :)

That being said--

Psychedelics and heroin are usually a sublime combination.

atlantis360 said:
they dont mix, it will make the trip much much less intense. Youl be wishing you would have used em separately.

maybe on the comedown they would work though.
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^ Not, in my experience, true at all. Unlike benzos, opiates never really dulled the trip for me, they just made it more body-centered and euphoric, and sometimes, they even assisted in sloughing off my ego, interestingly enough.

On LSD I always used to get crazy visuals right after doing a shto, and a nod on a trip is gorgeous.

And yeah w/ding while tripping is awful, except that on occasion the trip totally distracted me from my w/d ... but this is hardly recommended, it is usually a miserable experience.
 
Sick-tripping on shrooms was utterly fucked, and being that thats what's going to happen tonight if I don't dose something, I'm certainly going to... I was considering just enough to equalize me but I guess my opinion on the whole thing has changed, or at least I'm curious enough now, because I'm planning on nodding tits, while taking a bit higher dose of the boomers just in case the H does "ground" me a bit much.

The idea that it's going to be a much less introspective, less mental trip makes a good deal of sense to me. A purely recreational, more "druggy" and I suppose less psychedelic trip sounds absolutely great ;) I've got to say I've seen a lot of folks doped out tripping and smoking DMT at festivals, they always just seemed counter to eachother to me but I suppose it depends entirely on what kind of experience you want to have...
 
dutchie3k said:
A purely recreational, more "druggy" and I suppose less psychedelic trip sounds absolutely great ;)
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A man who knows what he wants. :)

In my tripper days I never really did ... but in my doping days I certainly did =D

You from upstate NY? Dope still stupid expensive but fire up there?
 
Yesindeed, Rochester. Essentially NO good quantity to be had here, i.e. 1/10000 chance you know somebody who can actually get you a gram or anything.... That being said, the prices can actually be pretty decent. The thing is, in the more non-localised market (all the stamps of all the different sorts that enter the area) are either absolute shite and tiny or FLAMES and giant. Its really strange. It's those, or the ubiquitous tiny glassines that one giant outfit on the east side distributes, always the EXACT same size and strength, year round rain sleet or sunny.

I'm just trying to imagine tripping on one of the more bugged-out opiates like pentazocine, which are shittier in terms of their opiate-ness but wow...that would be gnarly for a trip. I think I'd honestly prefer to trip with one like codeine with a more natural and honestly less "clean" but more...."earthy" feel to it, rather than smack or hydromorphone or oxy, which are just straight euphoria.
 
welp i can chime in here for sure.

I've had experience with a variety of opiates while tripping, and like everything in terms of dosing drugs it all just depends on a variety of factors. the #1 factor for me, was if i was really struggling with drug addiction or not, when I decided to combine these things. At first before dope, and needles and all the ugly parts of opiate use out of the question, i could do painkillers and oxy on top of a trip no problem. my advice would be to take your normal dose early in the day, so that when you dose your shrooms you're feeling "normal" in terms of your withdrawl. if you get smacked at first, you're wasting the psychedelic IME. wait til you're done peaking and being shot out into space. I personally think the best time to dose opiates is RIGHT when you just can start chillin and groovin on everything, when everything around becomes less chaotic and more manageable. it should transition into a perrrfect comedown.

on the other hand, I've had a few trips where I have done dope repeatedly throughout rather intense LSD trips, and that just sent too many strange things through my head. in my case i was rather addicted, so the idea that i was repeatedly hurting myself over and over again sent my trip to a not-so-fun place. still rewarding, but if the opiate doesn't block the psychedelia in general, it can sure as hell taint the innocence of the whole experience in my book.

so my opinion, do what YOU can handle, but if you can avoid using heroin id suggest that. maybe some percoset or something once youre done peaking--if your tolerance can handle that
 
I found that smoking opium on shrooms (and mescaline and lsd) didn't make it less intense, but produced a strange body high and opiate euphoria, which felt surprisingly genuine, considering I was tripping.
 
GreenMachine said:
welp i can chime in here for sure.

I've had experience with a variety of opiates while tripping, and like everything in terms of dosing drugs it all just depends on a variety of factors. the #1 factor for me, was if i was really struggling with drug addiction or not, when I decided to combine these things. At first before dope, and needles and all the ugly parts of opiate use out of the question, i could do painkillers and oxy on top of a trip no problem. my advice would be to take your normal dose early in the day, so that when you dose your shrooms you're feeling "normal" in terms of your withdrawl. if you get smacked at first, you're wasting the psychedelic IME. wait til you're done peaking and being shot out into space. I personally think the best time to dose opiates is RIGHT when you just can start chillin and groovin on everything, when everything around becomes less chaotic and more manageable. it should transition into a perrrfect comedown.

on the other hand, I've had a few trips where I have done dope repeatedly throughout rather intense LSD trips, and that just sent too many strange things through my head. in my case i was rather addicted, so the idea that i was repeatedly hurting myself over and over again sent my trip to a not-so-fun place. still rewarding, but if the opiate doesn't block the psychedelia in general, it can sure as hell taint the innocence of the whole experience in my book.

so my opinion, do what YOU can handle, but if you can avoid using heroin id suggest that. maybe some percoset or something once youre done peaking--if your tolerance can handle that
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this is a good thing to note that I was considering adding myself also

if you are feeling ambivalent about your drug use, this will probably come up during the trip on a psychological level

and hitting yourself when you have a lot of florid visuals is difficult; i always had to look away and do it by feel (not recommended for the uninitiated) ...
 
I never combine psyches and opiates. Recently I had a mushroom trip and was going through W/D's, couldn't get my mind off of them and they were torture even though I was literally floored to the point of not knowing english.

Anyway, I would definitely take the smallest possible dose if I was you and didn't want to mix the effects. Taking a few hits (if smoking it) while high could get rid of withdrawals, and give you some nice dopey feelings, not getting too high. I could see mixing the effects, but it could get a little weird...I would just save the dope until you came down if that is the case. Also, if you are IV'ing the stuff be REALLY careful. Just seems like a recipe for something to go wrong...
 
lightitup said:
Just seems like a recipe for something to go wrong...
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True story:

I had one of my best friends blue out on me (heroin+alcohol OD) while I was peaking on a highish dose of 4-AcO-DMT. I was in the bathroom with a needle full of dope in my arm when I heard my friends yell out "Yo ths kid is turning blue!!!!" just as I depressed the plunger. I jumped up, the rush hit me in mid air, and I stumbled over to attend to him. Had to drag him to the bathroom, run cold water, and start smacking the shit out of him all through fractals, rainbows, tracers, and one hell of a thought loop. He wound up coming out of it okay but it was an exceedingly traumatic experience.

Disclaimer - that is not the way you should treat an overdose. The kid was lucky, and we were young and stupid. He needed proper medical attention, not some cold water on the balls and a back hand across the face.
 
hahaha SKL i'm rollin' reading that.... Despite how generally morbid that is :/ I've been in a similiar incidence of emergency tripping waaay too hard and I can certainly say, our psyches recieve things like blood, sickness, trauma while tripping in some rather jarring ways... Glad that kid came out alright. Putting myself in your shoes there in my head puts me in a pretty crazy place...

I've always been a bit bizarre in terms of how I percieve and deal with opiate addiction, a bit atypical for sure. Following this, I only stuck myself for the first time about a month and 1/2 ago, despite being surrounded by strictly IV folks and having reached heroic depths of habit/tolerance before, over these years. I'd say that's why...too many of my closest and best friends plunged off a divide never to return that it seems I managed not to, despite everything. I IV'd for a bit and have returned to nasal and probably to stay.

Thinking of hitting myself with EITHER the mental merry-go-round or the visual bugout happening sends chills through me, let alone the whole experiencce...mostly in a makes-me-squirm way. However seeing blood register would probably be something I bet.

Ended up postponing until today and I'm glad. Circumstances didn't warrant and it got a bit late, and today is beautiful out (relatively...for the moment...) Plus thinking over last nights and now todays feedback from BLers has been some pretty valuable food for thought. I feel I'm in a bit better position to embark on this. These Beetle Juice stamps I'd rate a rather solid 8.5/10 and the caps are mighty fine...today should be a grand day :D
 
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