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Shrooms and BZP?

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I've been looking through the Erowid vaults and did a quick search on here and didn't come across any reports of mixing psilocybin mushrooms and BZP. I've become interested in the latter recently and wondered if any one had first, second, third, or twenty third hand knowledge on the combo.

A lot of early research work on psilocybin (50s & early 60s) was done in conjunction with low dose amphetamines as a trip enhancer. I'm very curious about how BZP and other piperazines would affect a psilocybin trip. Or how psilocybin would affect a BZP trip.

Apologies in advance if I missed a thread or trip report.

Edited to add: I did find related threads. Despite some of the nasty comments I'm still curious. Will make sure to post a trip report!
 
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I really wouldnt consider doing this. Personally ive never done bzp but I have literally never heard anything good about this drug and these are from people who used it alone and not with psilo. Im sure this would most likely add a bad level to the trip and if your not experienced with pyschs it could go bad quick.
 
BZP isn't that bad, it's the comedown that makes it (& the rest of the pips) horrible.

The trip its self could be fun, just be prepared for the comedown.
 
Actually I have tripped on mushrooms then took 2 piperazine pills (batmen) about an hour into the trip it brought it to a more sociable level that I could work with instead of the laughing uncontrollable head trip
 
^ What was the comedown from the BZP like, while still feeling shroom effects?
 
BZP lasts a lot longer than shrooms, they'd be gone by the time the BZP comedown kicks in.
 
I would not reccommend it. I'm from NZ and during the heyday of bzp (during the banning of it, when it was sold for like $5 for as many pills as you could fit in a bag) I saw people combine BZP with just about everything, including itself (rinse & repeat)
I can honestly say that BZP is a wholly bad drug. it has no positive effects that outweigh the negative effects.

put it this way, virtually anyone who has eaten a decent amount of bzp in a group has probably had multiple experiences where they were all yammering away in excited conversation, someone loses their train of thought and asks what we were all talking about, and NOBODY can remember.

pretty much the primary effect of bzp seems to be constantly losing your train of thought. I can't imagine that would be much fun combined with mushrooms.

personally, the whole feeling like you've been scraped off the bottom of somebody's shoe the next morning (even at sensible doses) was enough to put me off.
 
I wouldn't mix any pipz with shrooms. The anxiety and terrible comedown from BZP doesn't sound like a good combo. Maybe a loowww dose of BZP for some stimulation, like 50mg then take your shrooms like 45min later.

My feelings are you should ditch the BZP and while out on the shrooms. You don't want a potentially awesome experience to be be fucked up by something as nasty as a pipe
 
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Originally Posted by fungus44
A lot of early research work on psilocybin (50s & early 60s) was done in conjunction with low dose amphetamines as a trip enhancer.

never heard of that. source?
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Just looked through my book shelf and can't find a reference. I am pretty sure that some psilocybin studies used amphetmanines as an adjunct, but have no source.

Thanks all for the concern but... I've been doing acid and mushrooms for twenty years now (not every day (sudden bursts and clusters...)) and feel pretty confident in my ability to handle a weird trip.

Anyways, I think I'll give the BZP a couple of whirls and then try doing a combo with shrooms. The trip reports I've been finding have involved WAAAYYY too much drug ingestion -- people report getting totally effed up when they have gotten totally effed up. With certain exceptions, I prefer my psychs in relatively low doses. The only shroom combo I've found too much is 2ci and shrooms -- the swirls and tiling and patterns just didn't quit...
 
Why on earth would u want to mix that shit with such a nice drug. Wouldnt even touch BZP by itself with a 10 foot pole yuck! If u want sumfn speedy look into DOC or 2C's. Shrooms are best taken by itself along with other natural things.
 
Shrooms are best taken by itself along with other natural things.
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Why's that? I've always found mushrooms to be lovely in combination with synthetics, especially MDMA or 2C-x. Having said that, BZP and shrooms doesn't sound like my cup of tea.
 
This report is biased as I'm keen on commercially available piperazine pills. I've always found them interesting and useful. In the past I would have been of the opinion that to pollute mushrooms with them would be akin to a desecration, however, in hindsight, I might revise this.
Our native mushroom here is the liberty cap which is very strong and stimulating. However, if one uses Cubensis (say from kits) it's quite sedating, very body grounded.
In the last two years SWIM took a home combo of piperazine powders at a party, probably too much TFMPP because began to feel quite sweaty and anxious, then took kit cubensis which panned out into the most beautiful trip - at the time thought mushrooms had just eclipsed the nasty chemicals, now after recently taking kit cubensis w/o any stimulants (very woozy high body load ?alkaloid degredation), feel the piperazines added an extra, vital dimension. Will be repeating all possible combos.
If you tolerate piperazines, consider this.
Will be
 
I would be wary of seizures. With BZP alone it may be an issue but with mushrooms this would especially be bad news. All in all it does not sound good to me at all, but know that I have no experience with BZP.
 
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Because natural drugs are so much healthier for you. This is like saying 'weed is a plant so its harmless'
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Yup natural things are relatively safer. Weed, shrooms, HBW, Datura etc etc all alot safer than ice, heroin, coke and most synthetics.
 
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