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Anon610

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Shroom dust capsules. (Mushrooms and Morphine)

So basically I acquired some leftover shrooms my friends didn't want. I got a little more than a gram of this dust from a friend and it had a tiny shroom in it. He gave it to me because apparently like a 0.7 dose made his brain go crazy. Then another friend of mine randomly gives me a little less than an 8th. But they've been sitting in a bag for about 3 months.

Tonight I got bored and capsuled up 10 capsules, packed to the max with dust. Each one contains about 350mg. My main two questions are, am I in for a good night? (Well morning) and is there any danger with having morphine in your system?
 
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a combination of morph and psilocybin is safe. so no worries there, so long as you keep your doses of each in known safe ranges.

i agree with pontifex and his comments on oxidisation. hopefully your fungus has not been exposed to much oxygen and is still relatively potent.
 
So I took 10 and ended up falling asleep actually while I was coming up.
And holy shitttt, woke up in a fury of laughter and love. So I decided to take 14 more capsules.

May not be wise because I work later today, but I will have a trip report.
Liking this already. Also, the 3.5 grams of old shrooms were kept on top of a fridge.
 
Anon610 said:
So I took 10 and ended up falling asleep actually while I was coming up.
And holy shitttt, woke up in a fury of laughter and love. So I decided to take 14 more capsules.

May not be wise because I work later today, but I will have a trip report.
Liking this already. Also, the 3.5 grams of old shrooms were kept on top of a fridge.
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Does the top of the fridge get warm? What were they stored in?

With the dust, if it was ground from tiny mushies it would be more potent than if it were ground from larger ones of the same variety. However, once they've been ground degradation happens at a faster rate.
 
It is really hard to say because virtually no storage conditions are truly the same. I have some ground up mushrooms capsulated and vacuumsealed then stored in a closet for more than a year. No idea how potent they would be.
Then again I have little interest in taking mushrooms and much more interest in trying synthetic tryptamines... that said I am in the process of cultivating Cyanescens but mostly because it is so much fun :D...
 
No, Copelandias are Panaeolus Cyanescens and they are the white anorexic looking ones. They don't do so well outdoors apparently. Coincidentally I got spores of those as a bonus when I got the other spores very recently.
What I am talking about is Psilocybe Cyanescens, the caramel colored wavy cap mushrooms.

They are both contestors for the most potent mushroom, the difference is that the psilocybes are more massive per average specimen even when compared dry. I guess because the Copelandias / Pans reduce to almost nothing and have a freakish potency of something like even 2-3% alkaloid they are said to pack such a huge punch but you can trip as hard or harder off the Psilocybe Cyanescens.

And yes I have experienced them before (they were called Hawaiian mushrooms when they were still legally available here in the Netherlands) and if I remember their appearance I'd say those were Pans.

Unfortunately I can't find my petri dishes so for now there is no myc sectoring isolation and cloning for me, today I initiated liquid cultures that I hope to inoculate substrate with on sunday. My substrate is sawdust and wheat bran. Later I will transfer to corrugated cardboard and mixed-type wood chips.
I could not get vermiculite (it can be ordered for next wednesday but I will be out of town again since I don't live around here), but I think that I can substitute with perlite. When using it as part of the substrate you can't do this but I am only supposed to use it as a casing in the cake-jars.

The Panaeolus is for later because I will do them indoors so it is season independent. However I will station this at my dad's for now, he likes biology and growing things for a hobby/fun as well so I will teach him but I will start with one of the several Cubensis strains I have before moving on to Pans.

Sorry, normally I wouldn't blatantly derail a thread like this but a question was asked about yesterday so it has already passed. And as is said, degradation is tricky to predict.


Oh about the opiates with mushrooms, it seems we do not have a subthread for that... I wonder if opiates improve the emotional rollercoaster component? Numbing yourself if you don't accept that side of the mushroom experience is pretty questionable but does that mean you cannot try to improve on it?
In any case I would be interested in eating raw opium together with some mushies sometime.
 
Yeah cubensis are pretty weak, although once and a while some nice closed caps can certainly surprise anybody. I feel like the "psychedelic experience" that is defined by Leary as being 500mcg LSD is probably similar in intensity to a 1/8th cyanescens trip. I think people generally under-dose with psychedelics other than the few who really 'get it'. No point in missing the goal, imo. But anyway... way off topic. Wonder how far out the OP is?
 
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No, Copelandias are Panaeolus Cyanescens and they are the white anorexic looking ones. They don't do so well outdoors apparently. Coincidentally I got spores of those as a bonus when I got the other spores very recently.
What I am talking about is Psilocybe Cyanescens, the caramel colored wavy cap mushrooms.

They are both contestors for the most potent mushroom, the difference is that the psilocybes are more massive per average specimen even when compared dry. I guess because the Copelandias / Pans reduce to almost nothing and have a freakish potency of something like even 2-3% alkaloid they are said to pack such a huge punch but you can trip as hard or harder off the Psilocybe Cyanescens.

And yes I have experienced them before (they were called Hawaiian mushrooms when they were still legally available here in the Netherlands) and if I remember their appearance I'd say those were Pans.

Unfortunately I can't find my petri dishes so for now there is no myc sectoring isolation and cloning for me, today I initiated liquid cultures that I hope to inoculate substrate with on sunday. My substrate is sawdust and wheat bran. Later I will transfer to corrugated cardboard and mixed-type wood chips.
I could not get vermiculite (it can be ordered for next wednesday but I will be out of town again since I don't live around here), but I think that I can substitute with perlite. When using it as part of the substrate you can't do this but I am only supposed to use it as a casing in the cake-jars.

The Panaeolus is for later because I will do them indoors so it is season independent. However I will station this at my dad's for now, he likes biology and growing things for a hobby/fun as well so I will teach him but I will start with one of the several Cubensis strains I have before moving on to Pans.

Sorry, normally I wouldn't blatantly derail a thread like this but a question was asked about yesterday so it has already passed. And as is said, degradation is tricky to predict.


Oh about the opiates with mushrooms, it seems we do not have a subthread for that... I wonder if opiates improve the emotional rollercoaster component? Numbing yourself if you don't accept that side of the mushroom experience is pretty questionable but does that mean you cannot try to improve on it?
In any case I would be interested in eating raw opium together with some mushies sometime.
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I actually condone using opiates with Mushrooms. At least from my previous experience. Opiates tend to put me in a 'I don't give a fuck' mood. No anxiety at all, I wanna converse with people and I just feel 100x better than usual emotionally. This mixed with the shrooms was amazing. I was slightly sedated. So on the come up from the shrooms I ended up fading out into a light sleep. Fractals filled my dreams along with color wire-framed like objects. Then immediately I wake up and start giggling. I stay up and decide to eat the rest. So about 4.5-5 grams. That was a great idea. Everything was vivid and I had minor tracers. Everytime I'd close my eyes I was surprised with amazing colors and visuals. Best shroom trip yet. Its weird too, because I went to bed at 11PM, woke up out of a dead sleep at 2AM and decided I HAD to do these mushrooms. I'm glad I did.

Also, you know how you get that mind racing effect when you're coming down? The one that makes it hard to sleep. Well morphine seemed to eliminate that and I had virtually no come-down effects.
The powder was gross though. I got tired of capsuling up so I just washed down about a gram of dust and 20 caps. That wasn't a great idea. I threw some of it upand some of the capsules came up. Already tripping from the little bit I took I didn't want to waste anything. Hurried up and grabbed the capsules out my 'puke bucket' and washed em off. Lol. Sounds gross, but you'd had to be in my position to understand. I'd usually never, ever do that. hahaha. Work was swell btw. Minor CEVs.
 
I've had dried mushrooms capsuled and kept in the freezer for 5-6 years that lost no potency at all. It took exactly the same dose to trip after 5 years as the day I capsuled them.

There's not really any difference in copelandia and cubensis other than the size of the dose you take. The active principal is the same - psilocybin. The only difference is if someone tells you "it's copelandia" and your imagination does the rest. I could ground and capsule up cubensis and tell you they were copelandia and no-one could ever tell the difference.
 
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I don't think it is proven there are no extra dynamics, an example of what *might* happen is that there might be a variation in other alkaloids like NMT or baeocystin that could occupy MAO and serve as simple competitive inhibitors by simply being substrates.

That is just an example of what could add to simple quantitative potency. I am not saying I know this for a fact and I am all FOR skepticism but I don't think you're being a very good scientific thinker if you just outright dismiss such possibilities.

Furthermore, even if psilocybin is inactive itself and it is only prodrug for psilocin, the different pharmacokinetics can change the subjective experience completely. If you assume psilocybin is just a prodrug it would be likely you would also assume that 4-AcO-DMT is nothing more than a prodrug for psilocin. Now go and ask if people would find it conceivable that 4-AcO-DMT is indistinguishable from 4-HO-DMT and 4-PO-DMT in a blind trial. Alright, asking people still allows placebo to play on expectations but I am personally convinced that gradual pharmacokinetics account for 4-AcO-DMT's gradual effects and it totally changes the psychological and emotional impact for me.
Different psilocybian mushrooms can contain different ratios of psilocybin and psilocin and I think that more psilocin - like other 4-HO tryptamines - can be more visual, acute and dramatic in effects. Freshness could also be a factor.

Sorry I think you are being a bit rigid and closed minded and it is not the first time. Even if differences can be somewhat marginal and differences can be swallowed up entirely by the fact that mushroom experiences like other psychedelic experiences can vary a great deal from trip to trip and you would need a broad statistics panel to show these intricate dynamics that I propose.
 
But my opinion is based on the very best evidence you can get on this tho solipsis. I used to believe every mushroom speices was "different" - and my trips corresponded to what I "believed" I was taking. Then I started capsuling different species in the freezer. I remember I once had truffles and cubensis in the freezer. For the longest time I was convinced that truffles were different, they wernt as "visual", had a "different body high", then one day I had the most visual, greatest bodyhigh trip I'd ever had. I looked in the freezer again and realised that yep, I'd taken the truffles instead of the cubensis.

From that day on I've always been very wary of assuming different species of mushroom have different effects. But that's just my opinion based on a double-blind test that I accidentally carried out on myself.
 
One swallow does not a summer make... but maybe if you ground up and homogenized batches, variance per specimen is somewhat accounted for.
Anyway I am glad you are wary of the assumption that different species have different effects - just wanted to be careful about agreeing that "the jury is in".
 
It's knowing what you're taking in advance thats the problem tho S - once you know it's "copelandia" and you go into it thinking "This is going to be really strong and really visual" your imagination does the rest. Psilocybin has a vast range of effects all by itself - I'm not sure whether variants in the other alkaloids really makes any difference.

I'm open to opinions - but I'd prefer ones from people who were taking the mushrooms capsuled and had no idea what they were taking. If they could name me the exact species they took 1 time out of 5 I'd be amazed.
 
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Oh I am fine with some measurable but not yet for certainly proven truth out there and your experiment may indicate that psychological components (expectations) can be stronger than any variations in chemical composition and pharmacology...
But say we know for sure that it doesn't matter, if people are enthousiastic about a Cyanescens species and are amazed by the experience even if it is only based on their expectations, are you the kind of person who wants to ruin it for them?
Another example is that only if people come to me and ask me if vitamin C and sugar are truly beneficial based on scientific principles, I tell them it's nonsense, otherwise I keep my mouth shut unless scientific truth is being horribly jeopardized... because placebo effect may be a fabrication of the mind, it can still make a difference to people.

In any case, I choose to cultivate these sorts of mushrooms because it is a whole lot of fun (last time I yielded Cubensis I nearly didn't eat any of them), and because I want to try this outdoors and these are suited for that. I accept the possibility of your premise but won't let it spoil anything. I still think Azurescens and Pan / Psilo Cyanescens are all pretty cool.
 
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But say we know for sure that it doesn't matter, if people are enthousiastic about a Cyanescens species and are amazed by the experience even if it is only based on their expectations, are you the kind of person who wants to ruin it for them?
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But would knowing it might not be true affect the experience that much? I still enjoy taking cubensis as much as I enjoy copelandia.

Are you growing azures outdoors? Presumably you're in a very warm climate? Always fancied it myself but have just stuck to cubes and truffles.
 
Psilocybe Cyanescens outdoors that is the plan, yes. Now first indoor colonization and spawning until it is a better season. I live in Western Europe and think it should be fine there. What makes you think you need high temperatures? This is not like a fast fruit at room temperature but rather letting it eat its way through wood chips slowly, protecting from drying out and the sun in the summer and hoping to reap in the coming falls.

Not quite there yet - first let's see if any of my liquid cultures (karo water and karo potato water) have germinated so that I can get some substrate started.

This will all be moved to the appropriate cultivation subthread soon and the rest seems answered and closed (no?), but will have to be another time, I'm logging off.
 
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