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Should people go to jail for necrophilia?

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It is a weird question I know, but I'm serious...

When we were doing our podcast today, beatboy read an article about some morgue attendant who got time in prison because he had sex with a corpse that was left in his care. In this article, they talk about a bill in the US which is trying to change the maximum jail time from 1 year to 3 years for sexually assaulting a corpse.

My question is....should there actually be jail time directly related to this crime? Is it even a crime in the conventional sense? It's aberrant behaviour, but the victim to be completely blunt is a slab of meat. How is it any different to people who use vegetables as sex aids?

I get that the family/friends of the departed would obviously be quite traumatised by this and I fully support them seeking compensation etc...I also think anyone who fucks dead bodies needs psychiatric help; I just have trouble seeing it as a crime of sexual assault.

I dunno, thoughts..?
 
I think the reason for the time is to attempt to discourage the act which in your own words is aberrant behaviour and the person needs psychiatric help.

Personally i would chase and kill anyone who tried having sex with my dead body.
 
While I think Maz is on the money, I dunno, I dont really see the problem with it, on the flip side of the argument. Maybe someone can convince me otherwise. Like if I found out that some dirty perve. Omg, I just called them a dirty perv. Case closed, I do think its wrong.
 
Raz I do wonder if its one of those crimes that its better off if its discovered that nobody is ever told.

I guess its a victimless crime until such time as someone opens there big mouth.

If my friend is dead and they get fucked while they are dead but I dont know..........well it never happenned did it cos Im none the wiser.

Once someone makes a big deal of it well thats when im gunna find out and now its a fucking huge deal and Im coming for your ass cockhead.


But the only difference is that somebody opened there mouth................

Would it be better if it was never discussed? Even if that means he/she gets off scot free?
 
Hmmm...

I went through so many different reactions after reading the initial post. After I got over the initial THAT IS SO F-ING GROSS FREAKSFREAKSFREAKS thing, I started to really think about what would be going through the mind of someone who has sex with a cadaver. Obviously they're not of sound mind, or are they? Is it really that different to every other sexual fetish?

I am a staunch advocate of organ donation, so obviously I don't believe that there is anything important about preserving a dead body. As Raz said, the dead body won't realise what has happened, so... no harm, no foul? But then can we stretch that train of thought to people who are unconscious/ passed out and then sexually assaulted, and don't know what's happening, or will never be sure of what happened? Of course not.

But even after trying to be as rational as possible, I still think the person should be brought to trial. Just as with other violent crimes, let a judge decide whether the person was of sound mind when they committed the act.

I don't really know, but I suppose the other thing about necrophilia is the risk that the person would murder someone so they could have sex with the dead body. The guy in the article worked in a morgue, so he had ready access, however what about people who don't? Will they create their own opportunities?

Buy that man a Realdoll.
 
Although being a weird fetish we must look at it logically seeing as there is not god. There is a tribe in Africa that leaves the dead out in the middle of the plains to be eaten by wild animals after death. Philosophically speaking, once the body is dead there is no life and therefore no rights. If the individual was murdered or raped or whatever, obviously a punishment must follow suit. However if someone is found making love to a dead body there is nothing in natural or philosophical law that alludes to him/her committing a crime at all. Having sex with a dead body is equal to sticking your cock through a doughnut hole.
 
^ But that still doesn't sit well with me. Logically I see what you're getting at, but if the cadaver was so unimportant, why do we have such elaborate rituals after death? The fact is in our society it is important that the person is respected, even in death.
 
I agree that it is morally frowned upon and this is largely something I, or you, can't change. The real issue is the decision to send the person to jail or not for having sex with a non-living object. In the eyes of the law it sounds pretty weak and as a penalty would be over-exaggerated. Perhaps psychological care would be more effective in such circumstances. It's one of those issues that is on the borderline of morals Vs Laws Vs Science and I don't think there is any uniform answer. No matter how sick it makes you feel you can't go to jail for manipulating an inanomate object unless you can prove a soul exists inside the body that can some how be aware of the act.
 
I think it comes down to - as all laws do and should - societal expectation. Whether it be conditioned or primal, our country believes not only in respecting people while they are alive, but also post-mortem. The person may not be cognizant, but the fact is that mound of flesh was at one time a living, breathing, (probably) beloved human. The person committing necrophilia is aware of this when they're committing the act. They aren't just having sex with an empty vessel, they're having sex with something they're aware was once alive. They know what they're doing is a crime, and I think once there is that awareness, then the person shouldn't just be classed as a sexual deviant, but as a criminal.
 
^ Yeah it's a tricky one. In response to your question about elaborate rituals after death; this is not universal amongst all people. As mentioned in my last post, there any many societies in the past and present that have fairly simple farewells. Many of them see the body as useless and it is mainly a vehicle of no significance whatsoever except housing the soul. This is why Buddhists and Hindus usually cremate bodies. It's symbolic of the bodies insignificance. It should in theory be the same in monotheism too because what use is the body in heaven or hell? Will god judge you if your body has been manipulated by a necrophiliac? If so, what a cunt! If you choose to argue from a purely cosmetic angle, this is hardly enough to justify sending someone to prison. If people want to go around digging up corpses to fuck them, they could possibly be charged with vandalism, but other then this, I can't see how you could turn it in to a terrible crime. I can think of much worse.
 
They aren't just having sex with an empty vessel, they're having sex with something they're aware was once alive.
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The state of awareness is a given in this situation. Theres no doubt that the individual is aware of his/her actions. The crux of the matter is the issue of what constitutes dead or alive. Can you manifest the dead person's "essence" so to speak? Human law is built on contradiction - this is a fact nobody can answer for, justify or escape from. How would you treat an individual who fucked a dead cow? or perhaps a dead dog? Would we build the usual hierarchical categorization scheme? or what species is more acceptable to necrotise (new word!)? Why should humans be any different? This topic brings up more questions than there is answers. How can anyone justify war, famine, intentional spread of disease? All these things are possibly at the center of all human discontent but we choose to focus on the banal issue of a fucking sicko sexing a corpse, just because the subject is a precious human. A kind we seem to have up-most disrespect for as a collective in most situations temporally and spatially. Perhaps we paint romantic images of Mr. Smith down at the shops earlier that week, walking the dog, sitting at the beach or watching the cricket. Perhaps we put ourselves in the situation of the subject. These are all ideals that fail to paint a true picture of reality. Should these idealistic fantasies be played to? Everyone is involved in these kinds of things. Perhaps there is no objective truth or reality or opinion. Perhaps I, or you, don't even exist. It all boils down to being able to manifest some kind of partial truth from the material you have at your disposal. That is a dead, non-living body - maybe once loved, or hated. A bunch of freaks, sex and the question of what constitutes the essence of the dead. But the clues are painted in our oration: What you don't know, ain't gonna kill ya - even if you are already dead. My statements might be heartless, glib or obtuse, but i'm honest and couldn't care less about what happens to my body when I die. We all become star-dust in a far of nebulae at the end of the day and whatever happens to me now and then is at the hands of nature.
 
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MazDan said:
Raz I do wonder if its one of those crimes that its better off if its discovered that nobody is ever told.

I guess its a victimless crime until such time as someone opens there big mouth.

If my friend is dead and they get fucked while they are dead but I dont know..........well it never happenned did it cos Im none the wiser.

Once someone makes a big deal of it well thats when im gunna find out and now its a fucking huge deal and Im coming for your ass cockhead.


But the only difference is that somebody opened there mouth................

Would it be better if it was never discussed? Even if that means he/she gets off scot free?
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That's the thing.....the only people who are really affected by this are the loved ones of the deceased; and I'm not downplaying that at all, I can't imagine how fucking horrible it would be to find out that someone had sex with the body of someone you love...but it is quite literally a victimless crime. Directly, anyway.

I don't agree with keeping it a secret....like I don't think it should be broadcast from the rooftops, but hiding it I think has the risk of legitimizing it ("it's okay if you do it, just don't tell anyone").

With UAN's point about the link to the necrophiliac being a possible murderer themselves....if that's the case, I am all for them being treated as any other murderer. Any illegal act that's associated with it eg: breaking and entering, murder, kidnapping etc etc should all be considered as much of a crime as it normally would. I just think that the actual act of necrophilia itself should be classified solely as something which needs to be treated psychiatrically, not criminally.

Having said that, I am totally with you Maz in that if I found out someone had done that to someone I love who died, there would be fucking hell to pay....which is why I'm glad there's a system in place to prevent me from assuming responsibility in that case, because what will make me feel better is not necessarily the right thing to do...
 
I just think it is disrespect of the highest order. It is akin to raping someone when they are non-responsive. Waiting till they can't fight back. Is it okay to have sex with someone against their will if they are brain dead but still on life support? They won't be coming back, after all.

Whilst I don't place a lot of value in a dead body, having sex with one is still an incredible breach of the deceased's dignity. Not just because their surviving family might be offended by it, but because it shows such a huge amount of disregard for the person who has died, slab of meat or not.
 
This reminds me of a conversation I had a while ago with some bluelighters and a related amusing Vodafone123 call. Yes it is illegal to have sex with a dead animal. Who would have thunk it!
 
anna! said:
I just think it is disrespect of the highest order. It is akin to raping someone when they are non-responsive. Waiting till they can't fight back. Is it okay to have sex with someone against their will if they are brain dead but still on life support? They won't be coming back, after all.

Whilst I don't place a lot of value in a dead body, having sex with one is still an incredible breach of the deceased's dignity. Not just because their surviving family might be offended by it, but because it shows such a huge amount of disregard for the person who has died, slab of meat or not.
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As ee pointed out though, that's not a universal thing....a lot of people believe that flesh is nothing more than a vessel for the spirit, and once the spirit has left the body it really is nothing more than rotting meat.

The brain dead but on life support scenario is interesting....personally I think that person is as dead as they're going to get, but legally I'm assuming they're still classified as a living being? So leaving my bias aside, I guess that could still be considered sexual assault. I guess that stuff is open to interpretation, but someone who's been sitting in a morgue for several hours and is just waiting to be cut open and have their bits read to find out what happened...that person is definitely unequivocably dead by any sane definition. I do think it's a more black and white area personally.

I honestly don't give a shit what happens to my body after I die. If any part of my consciousness still resides in it, I think that in itself would be horrific enough, to have to be aware of yourself rotting and being eaten by parasites etc etc....a horny necro is just one more indignity on top of everything else really. On the other hand if my consciousness doesn't reside there anymore, which is what I'm tipping, then the body itself is just a shell. Someone's gonna cut me open, stuff me, staple me back together again and slather me in make-up before the funeral anyway, what's one more horrible thing on top of all of that?

(again, not downplaying the effects on the people left behind....I just think it's a bit redundant to talk about the dignity of a piece of meat. It's not a person anymore, it's just a carcass....once I'm well and truly dead, my body is no more me than my photo gallery on facebook is..)
 
Yes they should. A body has a high level of sentimental value to the family. I think people should be looking at jail for burning the flag too, only small time. But disrespecting the corpse of someone's family by haveing sex with it, then a few years is fine. The family have a right to know what happened and in their eyes this might be rape.
 
Wow, such a weird thread, not sure how to respond

At first i was shocked, then immediately after that i was horrified, then after that i became confused, anxious, curious, then horrified again.

Now, after careful consideration, i just want to party with Raz and his hot dead slutz
 
Everybody wants to party with Raz and his hot dead slutz! :D

I wish we could still have signatures, I would so make that my new sig...

Something else that just occurred to me......a topic for further conversation, fellows et ladies!

What do we think of this?

Abortion is (while not completely loved by one and all) seen in this country generally as an option that should be legally available for women for no other reason than the woman wanting an abortion. If the fetus isn't aborted, and barring unforeseen circumstances, we know that it's going to grow into a person with all the attendant rights. This is something that we know. But it's still legal to terminate the growth of that fetus, and it doesn't have to be for any reason other than the woman just changed her mind (I'm not turning this into an anti-abortion thing, I am all for women having choice over their own bodies, I'm just using it to illustrate a point).

Conversely, we know with even more certainty that a corpse is not going to grow into anything other than compost. But the corpse gets more rights than the fetus, simply because we have a sentimental attachment to what that corpse used to represent.

Thoughts? I actually find this whole discourse really fascinating, it's interesting seeing people's different ideas etc...
 
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