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Should people go to jail for necrophilia?

kytnism said:
yes it should be a sex "crime" on the basis that the sexual act is not reciprocated and is non consenting. the living have rights where such acts are concerned; the law shouldnt differ due to rigor mortis. a body, and ones personal rights (especially when in the trusted care of a mortician) dont end entirely in death.

...kytnism...:|
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Exactly what i was thinking!
 
leila762 said:
A longstay ward in a secure psychiatric unit is the appropriate place for necro-fuckers
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I agree.

I can understand as UAN pointed out the cultural bias that we have regarding dead bodies. I honestly think it's the only answer I can accept as to why we treat necrophilia the way we do. Nothing else makes sense.

Honestly, I think it's weird that some people are approaching this from the point of view that the dead have the same rights as the living; the dead clearly don't have the same rights as the living. You wouldn't cremate a living person, chuck them in a coffin, give all their assets away to next of kin because they haven't been to bingo in a while, etc etc....in some ways we recognise that death really is the finality of someone's existence as an individual, but in other ways we do everything we can to avoid facing that.

When terms like rape and sexual abuse are thrown around when it comes to necrophilia, I just can't take it seriously. I'm not saying it's the sign of a healthy mind to be rooting dead people, but when a lady sticks a cucumber up her, is she raping it? A cucumber has exactly the same amount of definable sentience as a corpse, and by any other definition is actually more alive than a corpse. But we rightly recognise that it would be stupid to treat a cucumber as if it were as important as a person, because it's not a person.

I guess the reason I keep harping on about this is that I can't help thinking that dude who I referred to in my initial post is not at all a well man, but as a society we're placing our discomfort with our own mortality over his need to be provided with meaningful rehabilitation. I can't help thinking that's wrong.
 
I agree that the guy isn't well, but I don't think his mental illness is going to be that far removed from a normal rapist (I have zero information to back this up. :D) Both crimes involve doing something that is morally reprehensible, and while rape is often a control/ power thing, could necro be a similar urge, but just committed by people who are trying to minimise the chance of getting caught? Or who aren't necessarily aggressive people, and prefer to have power over something that can't fight back?

We don't think twice about putting a rapist in gaol, rather than committed to a mental institution, even though it's obvious rehabilitation would be much more likely if they were out of the gaol system.

Anyway, just a thought.
 
^ You brought up this scenario earlier on. As I said before, I don't have a problem with that. I'd be interested to see what other people think though. I mean, it's your body, even in death, and if we can decide if we want to be cremated or buried, whether we'll donate organs, whether we'll donate our bodies for medical research etc then I absolutely believe that people should be allowed to 'donate' their body to a necro. :D I also don't think the necro should be punished in that scenario.
 
up all night said:
I agree that the guy isn't well, but I don't think his mental illness is going to be that far removed from a normal rapist (I have zero information to back this up. :D) Both crimes involve doing something that is morally reprehensible, and while rape is often a control/ power thing, could necro be a similar urge, but just committed by people who are trying to minimise the chance of getting caught? Or who aren't necessarily aggressive people, and prefer to have power over something that can't fight back?

We don't think twice about putting a rapist in gaol, rather than committed to a mental institution, even though it's obvious rehabilitation would be much more likely if they were out of the gaol system.

Anyway, just a thought.
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I think the obvious difference though is that a rapist is actually infringing on the rights of another living breathing person directly. A necrophiliac is indirectly affecting others in the sense that there will presumably always be people who care about the target of the necro-yuckiness, but there is no direct victim.

If someone got a realdoll and made it look exactly like a particular person and fucked it till the cows came home, people would be weirded out by it (I would be hell weirded out by it!)...and if that person enjoyed fucking the realdoll to the exclusion of actual real people and that became known to mental health professionals, I imagine there would be some attempt to find out why this person can't form sexual relationships with living people, but he wouldn't be put in jail for it. The only difference between a realdoll and a dead body is that people have an emotional attachment to what that body means to them. But the body itself doesn't have any more sentience, life, intelligence, cardiovascular activity, nothing else that we objectively use to define human life. So why is the guy who exclusively fucks a realdoll someone who needs a shrink, but the guy who fucks a corpse needs to be put in jail?
 
Well, not always. As was mentioned before, what if someone rapes someone who is in a coma, or passed out, and they never know? Does that mean they just need to see a shrink rather than be in gaol?

A human being is defined as:

any individual of the genus Homo, esp. a member of the species Homo sapiens.
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It doesn't say anything about the person breathing or being alive. I guess the main difference in our arguments is that in your opinion the important part of the act is that the person is no longer alive, while other people's argument is that the person is still a human.

Necrophilia is obviously much more removed from 'normal' sexual urges than a man fucking a realdoll. It's not JUST the fact that society places a certain amount of importance in respecting a dead body, it's because part of the reason a necro is aroused by dead bodies is obviously going to be because the person they're fucking was once alive. That's what they get off on. They like the fact they're having sex with an unresisting, unresponsive human. It's showing complete disrespect for the body, for the family, and for the law.

While these people are obviously pretty twisted, they'd be aware of what they were doing and make the choice to do so. It wouldn't be justice to let them plead insanity and send them to a mental ward.

The 'what they don't know can't hurt them' way of thinking is kind of disturbing, really. It's not something I believe in any other aspect of life, so why would that change in death?
 
See, the coma/passed out comparison falls apart for me, because while that person may not actually experience any stress at the time of the act, they are still a living breathing human being and they should have the right to decide what happens with their body.

I guess the crux of it is that I disagree with society maybe? I think once I'm dead, that's it - I'm now decaying meat, and if there is any part of Raz that continues on, I would very much like to believe that part has no more connection to the meaty bits left behind because that would be kind of sad and gross. Clearly the majority of rational thinking people are not in agreement with me.

Hmm I rewrote lots but it's late and I need to get up early for work tomorrow and I don't wanna have to explain to my team leader that I am falling asleep at work because I was trying to keep necrophiliacs out of jail... :)

Next time gadget! :D
 
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It's hard for me to agree with you Raz but I do to a certain extent. I'm going to put it out there though that a lot of laws are derived from emotions that evolved because of the communal aspect of our species. So whilst you can say that a dead person is 'just a piece of meat,' they still hold value to their relatives because of fundamental aspects of the human brain.

A lot of our laws make sense because they hold us together as a species. I doubt you would see Bonobo chimps (our closest relatives) running around fucking dead chimps. They still have a complex system of laws, but nothing written on paper.

Oh by the way Raz if you haven't read about Bonobo chimps do so: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo

Very interesting. If only we solved all our problems with sex!
 
After seeing this movie the other day, I am all over sex with zombies! :D

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I am also all for solving all one's problems with sex generally.. :D

the point with the bonobo chimps is interesting in that it shows it's not a learned societal response so much as a fundamental thing we instinctually believe...and it has made me think of this in a bit of a different light too; doesn't make me change my mind, but it casts a different light on it.. :)
 
I think out of RESPECT for the deceased, i dont have an issue with someone getting a jail sentence for doing it; criminal laws are generally a good deterrant for the majority of people.

Or at least mental help for the person, they obviously must be pretty fucked up to do such a thing in the first instance.
 
Interesting points.

While I personally find it repulsive, I can accept that some people may find this sexually gratifying.

I think the fundamental reason that society feels so repulsed is that "respecting the dead" is one of the very few commonalities between all races/cultures over the past 1000+ years...

Think back, whether it be the Egyptians, Romans, Greeks, Chinese - there has been a deep seeded culture to treat the dead with respect.

I'll present two arguments:

1. Right to lay in peace

The dead must be given respect to lay without being violated.

This is exemplified by the Geneva convention stating "search for the dead and prevent their being despoiled." The conventions further require that enemy "dead are honorably interred, if possible according to the rites of the religion to which they belonged, that their graves are respected, grouped if possible according to the nationality of the deceased, properly maintained and marked so that they may always be found."

By the terminology right not to be violated, I would assume that's where the necrophilia clause comes in...

this leads me on to the next question:

If the dead are really respected and we feel that they should have "rights" - why can't they choose their own burial type?

2. Rights of the survivors

Although the previous law demonstrated that the dead have rights - they are will be treated once dead? For example, if a person said "when I die - I want my corpse to be used as a limp fuck doll.. and screwed by any individual with a weird sick fantasy", their next of kin could reject this or the state could reject this.

This decision may have been made in sound mind and body but the next of kin can over rule this.

Also, even if the next of kin agreed to allow the deceased to be treated like that - the state has the option to over rule them. I believe there have been a few cases along the lines of how people wanted to be buried.

So - i personally think the law is quite contradictory...
 
fucking hell no, corpses have no consiousness; they no sense of awareness needed to be affected by any non-consensual sexual intercourse, you cannot inflict trauma or pain on a lifeless bag of flesh. They cant have babies either, thats always a plus.
 
Of course people should be sent to jail for it, fuck. Say for instance your mother died, how would you feel about someone was raping her corpse?
 
I think a dead person's body is, perhaps among other things, the property of their family. It's also irreplaceable property that most people ascribe a great value to. Comparable to the value a very religious person might put on their religious artifacts/writings

Would you want people fucking your stuff?
 
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