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Bupe Should I refill my Rx?

Wolfmans_BrothEr

Wolfmans_BrothEr

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It's the 5th day of bupe w.d, I haven't slept over 3 hours each day even though im taking trazadone, I can't finish half a can of soup and every bite I take I feel as if I'm about to throw it back up, RLS and back aches, and time goes by sooooo slowly

I've been on bupe for about 6 months, started at 8mg and for the last 2 weeks of my maintenance I was taking 4mg/daily just so I could finish out the semester. I just got back from my doc cause I'm literally at my wits end. I wanted to get some muscle relaxers or seroquel, but he gave me a bupe script for 2mg for a week and then down to 1mg for the second week, and then I guess my plan is to just jump off from there.

Do u guys think i shud fill the Rx and continue to slowly taper down. (maybe like 2mg every other day) or just tough it out. Again im literally going insane. I don't know what to do with myself all day, and I can't eat or sleep. My first intention was to just bare knuckle it, but my English teacher called me today to let me know I have to revise/rewrite two, four page papers within a week

Sorry about the length I just kinda figured it was all relevant
 
Considering the fact that I've been off it for 5 days, u think I'll b alright with starting at such a low dose when I jumped off at 4mg. I also have a bunch of loperamide, trazadone, valerian, diphenhydramine and acetaminophen if u think that'll help ease the pain
 
No do not refill your script, if you have gone 5 days without you would only do yourself a disservice if you jumped back on.

Instead use your other medications to help steer clear of the worst parts but in my experience you should have reached the peak of the WDs and things should only get better from this point!
 
Have you tought yet how to fight PAWS? I would suggest you to not refill and instead discuss your Dr how to combat against the depression which might come for the next half year or so?

As you are nearly over the immediate WDs I would ask for some potent antidepression medication like venlafaxine.
 
If you have already made it five days, if you can hold out I would recommend doing so. Try and combat the symptoms with the OTC medications you mentioned you have access to. If you can find some benzos or Soma, I would highly recommend investing in a small amount to combat the wicked anxiety/RLS/insomnia that withdrawal brings. For me this is the worst part.

But if you cannot handle it, and you have access to a script of bupe, there is no shame in filling it so you can properly taper. 4mg is not a small dose by any means, and the withdrawals would be pretty bad I would imagine. I echo captain.H's opinion and would advise you to taper down to less than 0.5mg per day and then jump off.

Getting back on and doing a quick 2 week or so taper would drastically reduce the withdrawal symptoms. Using sub for another week or two is a better choice than potentially relapsing, no?

Also the PAWS is hard to deal with. After the physical symptoms subside, the cravings/anxiety/depression/insomnia that can linger for months is enough to drive many back to using again. I strongly recommend you seeing some kind of therapist, and maybe even a psychiatrist so you can work out your issues that caused you to use in the first place, and potentially get properly medicated for various issues that could cause you to relapse.

In my opinion, being sober and miserable is just as bad as being dependent on opiates.

Whatever you do, goodluck. If you need anything feel free to PM me; I have been thru this situation a number of times. Detoxed from oxycontin, heroin, methadone, suboxone.. I know what it is like.

Good luck

Mike

Edit: Are you a phish fan? I would guess you are, based on your user name. I've been a big phish fan for years. Good stuff.
 
I would also recommend staying put, but I wouldn't sign up for antidepressants unless you find you need them. I was a long-term, high-dose user and I withdrew with sub over three weeks. it's about two months at zero now--I still sleep very poorly and sneeze, but I can't say I'm depressed. I'm more manic than depressed. perhaps what goes up up up will come down, but my sense is that the mania is slowly subsiding to the status quo as opposed to being depressed.

I do exercise a lot now--walking 1.5 hours a day, running 1.5 miles twice a week and doing some weights--so maybe that's helped to alleviate the depression. might as well use that captain crazy energy for something...


MrRoot said:
Have you tought yet how to fight PAWS? I would suggest you to not refill and instead discuss your Dr how to combat against the depression which might come for the next half year or so?

As you are nearly over the immediate WDs I would ask for some potent antidepression medication like venlafaxine.
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BrokedownPalace said:
Edit: Are you a phish fan? I would guess you are, based on your user name. I've been a big phish fan for years. Good stuff.
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Lol yea it is your the first one to get that.

I decided to just take a few 2mg ones over them weekend and then just dose like 1 or 2 mg every other day
 
^I think that is pretty smart... Day 5 is just the beginning, you really haven't made it too far at all at that point.
 
^^this is the first time I've ever really wanted to be clean. If I keep structure in my day and dont surround myself with people using then I'd say I have a pretty good chance.

In the past every time I've relapsed was because I never really wanted to be clean to begin with. A few months ago I literally had an epiphany which completely changed my view on a lot of things. It sounds cheesy but it's true, I'm really confident in my ability to stay clean, just as long as I can get through the w.d
 
^Yep. Solely getting thru the withdrawals/detox and being off opiates is only a minor part of sobriety. You need to truly desire to be clean of opiates, and have a SOLID support system after you go thru detox. Also, I always like to recommend to people who want to maintain sobriety, to seek some kind of outpatient rehab, or a therapist/psychiatrist.

It is IMPERATIVE to get to the root of your issues that cause you to use in the first place. Most people (myself included) try and self medicated underlying issues you have in life, with drugs.

The times I have maintained any substantial clean time, I had my mom behind me 100 percent, my friends, girlfriend, and saw a therapist/psychiatrist. I was able to talk out my issues and figure out WHY i was self medicating, and also get properly medicated by a doctor to treat my underlying mental issues (For me, if I have my anxiety/depression/insomnia/PTSD issues properly medicated and under control, I do not have the desire to medicate with heroin or coke or alcohol or whatever your drug of choice may be).

If you truly believe you can stay clean and have a good support, and make the changes necessary in life to do so, I am fully confident in your success.

Because in my opinion, being sober and miserable is just as bad as using heroin everyday. NOthing changed except no more heroin. But without any life changes you'll just be even more miserable and more than likely relapse.

If you ever want to tlak about withdrawals/rehab/sobriety/opiates/or anything don't hesitate to private message me man.

Good luck

Mike
 
Honestly i hope you get the films because the films are WAY easier than tablets are...

By hand i can split up an 8mg film into .5 mg doses.. its tough but can be done...

its even definetly possible to make .25 doses but i would need an exacto knife..

I would taper..>> CH is right..

IMO dropping at 1mg aint too bad i mean compared to 4mgs... But dropping from 1mg compared to .25 or .5 is prob a big difference..

good luck
 
^Yes you are correct about the films. THey are definitely much easier to split up into small doses. But if you have the tablets and need to measure out .25mg doses accurately or something, making a liquid dilution is simple and accurate. For example if you took 1 8mg tablet and dissolved it into 8mL of water, you would have 1mg/1mL solution. So 25 units would equal 250mcg.
 
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