Heroin Should I expect to go into heroin withdrawals ?

[BlueHues]

^I don't really wanna say what my experience is with this, kind of because it could be discouraging.....but it would be stupid to just post THAT....so....

If you were at the end of kicking heroin and did a moderate dose of oxycodone or something else, it would set you back in a frustrating way, the withdrawals would come back...But, if you managed to ride it out without taking anymore opiates, in the end it would probably kind of like going through a 2-3 withdrawal all over again....

If you used an entire half-gram of heroin and got really good and fucked up, you most likely hit the reset button on the whole thing! I've done it! In fact, out of the 10 times I went to a week long detox, only twice did I actually continue to stay off of it for longer than 48 hours after I walked out the door.....Usually, as soon as I went and did that first hit of dope after I got left, I just kept going and didn't bother to find out whether I completely screwed up the detox by using dope once!

but, there's been 3-4 times where I really wanted to stop, but I still felt shitty on day 7.....I honestly thought I was gonna just use a little H to help me get through the end of the WDs(doesn't work that way BTW), I did it once and then tried not to do it the next day and the WDs came back in full effect! Once, I decided to use H after making it 6 days cold turkey! What a shit decision that was!....Man, it's depressing to go through all the shit, only to have to start over....

It might not be AS bad in the end, but you're looking at another full round of cold sweatin your way through the wee hours of the morning! I wish I had something positive to say about it, but I'm just telling the truth as I know it....

 

[dopemaster]

People dont SWIM on this site. I belive its against the rules. Id think it wouldnt really intensify wds to take a break and use a bit like you did. Ive done that on the way off opiates, back when I could jump off. That being said its easiest to just basically stop and detox as fast as possible with something to keep you comfortable like some benzos, weaker opiates, lope, subs, done, or whatever works for you. Do you want to quit is the question. I get wds for 10 days with my morphine habit and then Im right as rain. Its a bitch though. I usually lose ten lbs. Its definetly no easy feat. Another thing I do to stop shitting is take a protein drink supplement.

 

[chrisinabox]

I used to be this way, couldn't stop using IV heroin for the life of me, then came Suboxone. Now, even at first, I hated subs with a passion, it didn't give me that rush, that buzz that heroin or other opioids did, but after a few times trying it, it DID make the withdrawal go away, and I got used to that. But the MAIN thing that got me to quit, was the back and forth back and forth back and forth back and forth between heroin/opioid & suboxone. I take suboxone for a few days, use heroin for a week, then get back on subs, then heroin, then subs, I just got SOOOOO tired of that bullshit, it just hit me and I was done with it. The suboxone now even takes away ALL craving for opioids which is great. I was able to quit for nearly 3 years, but then me being stupid, I found an opportunity to try some east coast powder heroin which I had never tried being in black tar territory, so one day I tried it, felt great, nothing like before, but cleaner than tar H, but not stronger for some reason, and I tried several different stamps, some from Western Mass, some from northern Jersey, etc..too. Anyways, that got me hooked again for a solid 6-7 months, and got me hooked BAD, I was using 1.5 grams IV per day of strong black tar heroin ON TOP of 16-18mg alprazolam habit I had at the time as well, lucky I didn't die. Then one day, I was wasted and decided to steal some petty item from a wal-mart and got caught not surprisingly, and had to cold turkey 8 days in county jail (THE worst place to detox, period). That was 1.5, coming up on 2 years ago and I've been clean since, that last relapse nearly got me, so I fear the next time if it happens. If only I hadn't relapsed, I'd have 5 years clean now too, but oh well..

On a side note, I'm still on suboxone unfortunately but am tapering down to finally quit completely, but for some reason when on subs, I'm able to be around, touch, smell, watch people shoot up, everything with heroin and it barely phases me, I think I'm weird that way, considering opioids, and now benzos are the ONLY psychoactives I'ves ever had any kind of addiction problem with.

 

[dopemaster]

Subs are best used as a taper IME. I cut a strip into like 8 pieces. Near the end I will cut those pieces in half. I kinda just use subs to dampen the pain of quittting not really as a substitute. The longest taper I did was 16 days and the shortest was just using one strip. I took half a strip two days into wds and then I took it in smaller amounts for a few days to lighten up the wds not erase them. It sure made it easier and may have been the extra help I needed then.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

Subs are best used as a taper IME. I cut a strip into like 8 pieces. Near the end I will cut those pieces in half. I kinda just use subs to dampen the pain of quittting not really as a substitute. The longest taper I did was 16 days and the shortest was just using one strip. I took half a strip two days into wds and then I took it in smaller amounts for a few days to lighten up the wds not erase them. It sure made it easier and may have been the extra help I needed then.

I'm all for the quick sub taper, but if one really feels he/she wont be able to stay clean, a more long-term maintenance approach is better than relapsing. Though, it gets harder and harder to get off the shit the longer you stay on it.

It's a big catch 22 as is a lot of things with drug use.

 

[dopemaster]

I just dont feel subs are good for maintainance. Id rather have done anyday. Subs make me feel like shit and certainly dont hold my habit and Im not sure a high dose would be the answer. I just dont like the stuff, it gives me a headache. But I did find it useful for the jump off.

 

[dankster320]

probably not that hard of one, but its more post opiate withdrawl... just cuz you shake the physical... heroin seems to linger for a long time apathetic and depressed behaviors after quiting can hang around for a while good for you just don't go back to it just becomes increasingly more difficult to stop.

 

[dopemaster]

Does subutex have less side effects? Ive found that if I take the strips I get these god awful headaches. Methadone also seems to hold me a bit better. Ive been giving maintainance drugs serious consideration, but Im a chronic pain patient. So thats a catch 22 for me. Ive got a big fucking habit, im still in pain, and Im so sick of wd's. I wonder if done would hold my pain. Also Im on benzos which I absolutly need so that would limit my dose. Ive considered buying some juice or tex just to take a break from meds and stock up. What would hold my pain the best while I did that. Or is all those ideas fucking stupid. Im scared to talk to my pain doc cuz I got crazy tracks. FML.

 

[chrisinabox]

Some say Subutex has less headaches than Suboxone since tex doesn't have naloxone, but buprenorphine has a higher affinity for the opioid receptors then naloxone so it is basically inactive, so I don't see how this can be.

 

[sardela]

You might wanna try with Loperamide since it bonds to opioid receptors. Some take even 100pills of it to prevent withdrawals. Y

 

[shimazu]

just curious, why did you go get your blood checked at the hospital? Im just wondering what the expected outcome was...

and yeah I agree with the sentiment here, the first couple days are pretty shitty and once you get past that the next like two weeks (at least for me) are actually pretty easy as you feel good without it but then youll eventually be in a situation where you would used to just get high and chill and if you dont find something else to occupy yourself and dont burn a bunch of bridges its tough to stay off it

I try to grab some subs any time I was looking at a WD no matter the size. Just take like 2mg a day and you wont feel 100% but you wont be real sick either. So basically id get an 8mg strip and break that into 4 days.

But some people need more then 2mg a day so thats just what I do

 

[dopemaster]

I have some strips. I keep em in my bug out bag in case of zombies affecting my ability to get drugs. I hate the stuff. As far as lope Im a bit hesitant. First off Ive never taken enough to hold me and second of all I get constipated from all the morphine and oxy I take. Last time I went 24 hours without using I had ten solid fecal movements and it was like giving birth to a brick. I dont want to get constipated. I actually try to go into wds at least once a week till Im no longer full of shit. So yeah Im terrified to take the amount of lope people with a habit of my size take to hold them. I know it would be like 50-100 pills and im weirded out taking 10. If it comes down to lope or subs what would you choose if you had both on hand and you just had to hold out for a few days? I know a few days doesnt sound like shit but Im in a bad place in terms of habits so something has to hold me or Im liable to get myself arrested doing something dumb. I get rather desperate without opiates. I am putting shit in motion to fix this I will reiterate my question due to my rambling. Would Lope or Subs be better if both were on hand and I had to hold myself for 2-4 days and was definetly getting a large quantity of opiates because I already have the scrip?