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OsamaBinNoddin

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Ok, i havent done any roxies or dope in 3 days(been taking suboxone) and i have enough suboxone left for 2 more shots so i will be cool for another 1 1/2 - 2 days.

Is the suboxone just gonna prolong my withdrawals, or do you think after my subs run out, i should be kind of feeling a little better and past the worst of the withdrawals?
 
I would say it should get you past the worst part of WD's but be careful though, you can also develop WD symptoms from the Suboxone itself. ;)
 
Yes, you will most likely won't feel the WD in full, but much depends on your prior dope/roxie and sub dosage. How much did you take each day?

Also, in my opinion get some more sub if possible and do a slow taper, the slower the better, but not longer than 2 weeks so you don't get depended on the sub (not sure about that period, please someone correct me if wrong).
 
What's your dosage Osama... Suboxone dosing is very finicky, there's a fine line between fine and full blown WD during tapering, the usual taper is ~1mg per step but then again, it all depends on your current dosage...


Side note: A 'fast taper' lasts about a month , a 'slow taper' will gradually decrease dose for about 4 months. Which one is right for you is your or your doc's decision
 
I've been shooting either a bag or two of dope a day or smoking/iv'ing a couple 30mg roxies a day for about a year or so, and also i've been doing suboxone for 4 days now and doing between 2-4mg's each day IV'd.
 
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Well try to stay at a steady dose for a week, then decrease by 1mg each week until you get down to about 2mg and then start decreasing by .5mg at a time then when you get to the .5mg week step down to .25 and then start only taking it every other day...then every 2 days...etc. etc. until you've finally tapered completely off in a safe manner. The method I described would be considered a 'long taper' and you should consider it if you have the resources (enough subs) to do it. Good luck! ;)
 
Yeah thats not really an option becuase i dont have any money otherwise i would have just bought a bunch of benzo's or something to help..and i dont even have any suboxone left, it went a little faster then i thought it would( just took my last shot ten minutes ago) Basically after today im gonna have to suffer, all i have is a couple used cottons so i got 1 last shot and then im gonna be screwed unless i can manage to talk my friend into spotting some subs which i know he prob wont cause his gf needs them.

I am sorry if i am just rambling, even on subs right now the urge to use is pretty bad so i am trying to just take my mind off of it anyway i can(hence the ramblings).

So do you think i will get w/d's from the subs with only 5 days use? i'm already gonna be withdrawling from the dope, the last thing i need to do is withdrawl from some bupe with a fucklong half-life.
 
I don't think the sub WD's should be too bad, and for the opiate WD's , the worst of it was covered up by being on the Suboxone. Honestly though I'm just gonna be straight up with you, you can never completely 'escape' withdrawals, you can cover up the symptoms with other substances but as long as you do dope for any decent amount of time, WD's will catch up to you at some point. NOW, for the good news, will your WD's be full blown-wanna go jump off a bridge-horrible? Probably not. Will you feel a little down in the dumps for about a week? more than likely yes, so just be prepared now and go ahead and make some plans with friends or family or just plan to do anything to take your mind off of feeling shitty, hell even video games or posting on Bluelight. When you occupy your mind doing something you find kinda fun its not as bad, that always works for me when I withdraw. Hope you get to feelin' better soon my man! ;)
 
alright thanks alot for the advice and the help man..i was able to score 1 more sub off him, so after i take this shot i should have enough for almost 2 days..hopefully after that it will be atleast bearable...i've tried quitting more times then i can count, and failed every time...its the RLS that has been the dealbreaker ALWAYS, i hate not being able to sleep cause im tossing and turning every 20 seconds for hours on end because of my leg >.>

edit: and yeah man i dont really have anyone in my life, all my friends are junkies that just get high 24/7 so im not associating myself with them anymore, i pretty much just sit around in my house all day, alone with my thoughts =/
 
OsamaBinNoddin said:
alright thanks alot for the advice and the help man..i was able to score 1 more sub off him, so after i take this shot i should have enough for almost 2 days..hopefully after that it will be atleast bearable...i've tried quitting more times then i can count, and failed every time...its the RLS that has been the dealbreaker ALWAYS, i hate not being able to sleep cause im tossing and turning every 20 seconds for hours on end because of my leg >.>

edit: and yeah man i dont really have anyone in my life, all my friends are junkies that just get high 24/7 so im not associating myself with them anymore, i pretty much just sit around in my house all day, alone with my thoughts =/
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I can tell you from countless rehabs and relapses that sitting alone with your thoughts while trying to kick the habit will never work!. Find you a support group, it doesn't matter who, what, or where, it just helps to be able to talk about shit instead of going back to dope. Im not preaching, I'm an active user too but I've also been where you are. Don't forget you are a member of Bluelight and we'll always listen. (er, read 8)) But to save face and stay on topic, have you talked to a doc about your RLS? Has it been diagnosed by a physician?
 
I dont know, in the past yeah it has never worked but something is different this time, im really ready to quit and want to oh so bad, easy to say now because im on suboxone now but eh who knows if im gonna be singin the same tune tommorow when im completely out of everything..i've been getting RLS every since i started using opiates a couple years back...it has been the worst withdrawal symptom for me, but i was able to come across a little bit of money so i was thinking about buying either some Klonopin or xanax to try to help get me through this..i havent took them in years but i heard they help wonders for opiate withdrawal and specifically RLS, do you know if this is true?

oh, and no i can not go see a doctor because i dont have medical insurance and am virtually pennyless =/
 
OsamaBinNoddin said:
I dont know, in the past yeah it has never worked but something is different this time, im really ready to quit and want to oh so bad, easy to say now because im on suboxone now but eh who knows if im gonna be singin the same tune tommorow when im completely out of everything..i've been getting RLS every since i started using opiates a couple years back...it has been the worst withdrawal symptom for me, but i was able to come across a little bit of money so i was thinking about buying either some Klonopin or xanax to try to help get me through this..i havent took them in years but i heard they help wonders for opiate withdrawal and specifically RLS, do you know if this is true?

oh, and no i can not go see a doctor because i dont have medical insurance and am virtually pennyless =/
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I have taken Klonopin (Clonazepam) before for opiate WD's and found that it works the best as far as helping with insomnia, it has a much longer half-life than Xanax (Alprazolam). Klonopin will keep you asleep unlike Xanax which only tends to knock you out for a few hours and not keep you in a sleeping state.
Remember though if you haven't taken benzo's in years to start with a low dose and work up slowly to see what dosage is gonna work for you. :)
 
thanks alot for the advice, ill be sure to drop back in to let you guys know how its working out for me.
 
Ok i got a hold of 6 1mg Klonopins(green pills) i dissolved one under my tongue about 20 minutes ago but i do not feel anything yet, should i only take these before bedtime when i want to sleep, or do they also help with other symptoms of WD?

And also, do i have to completely dissolve them under my tongue? there was a little bit of mush left under my tongue so i decided to just swallow it, am i wasting doing this?
 
First of All I know that this is Nowhere Near Comparative.. However I have quite a dependency to Tramadol and while I know the Withdrawal from the Tram ride is nowhere near as Debilitating and hellish and an actual oxy/Dope withdrawal... it is the only withdrawal I've had and is Particularly HARD for me to Deal with...

Well Once I started ordering Kratom.. The kratom Easily covered up the physical side of withdrawals. now the first time I did this I went through ONE ounce of kratom and spread it through about 5 days and when I was done I was expecting the horrors to Return.. However it didn't I was homefree..

I was Utterly Shocked and thought I had found a way to beat the Physical side of my Trams withdrawals Until..........

Next Time I ran out of tramadol I ordered a quarter pound of Kratom.....
And I was taking it Daily for a little over a Month until it Ran out..... I stupidly thought that I would be Good 2 Go... Of course the next day it seemed my Withdrawals had actually gotten WORSE... during this Monthlong Period... so I really don't know how to switch back and forth to alleviate them...
I have come to believe that your either gonna cut it short and still have the original withdrawal... or overshoot and have developed NEW withdrawal..

Either way.... I love the clear minded ness I get with Tramadol but sometimes I really kick myself in the Keester for getting myself into this Mess..

Hope you figure out a way to stay symptom free my friend..... wherever you are.
Sincerely,
B
 
OsamaBinNoddin said:
Ok i got a hold of 6 1mg Klonopins(green pills) i dissolved one under my tongue about 20 minutes ago but i do not feel anything yet, should i only take these before bedtime when i want to sleep, or do they also help with other symptoms of WD?

And also, do i have to completely dissolve them under my tongue? there was a little bit of mush left under my tongue so i decided to just swallow it, am i wasting doing this?
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You don't need to really dissolve them, the BA isn't increased all that much sublingualy. You didn't feel anything because 1mg of Klonopin is not going to help for withdrawal from hard opiates like heroin. Chances are you will need 2-3mg. Don't expect all the withdrawals to go away, it will just take the edge off the anxiety, help with the muscle problems/pain and should also be valuable for the RLS. Even if you usually don't take benzodiazepines you'll need a high dose for dope withdrawal. The actual idea is to knock yourself out. Well, when I take them for dope withdrawal that's what I'm shooting for. If you still want to be able to function take just 2mg. If you want to try and sedate yourself take 3mg. Clonazepam is a lot more effective for your symptoms than Alprazolam...in my opinion.
 
i just took my last shot of suboxone, lets just hope these 4 and a half kpins will be able to get me through this!
 
can you freebase klonopin? i've seen alot of shit on the internet and some people say no its a waste and other say it is amazing so idk( and im already aware of all the risks associated with smoking fillers so please dont lecture)
 
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