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Should heroin addicts be forced to pay for their own 'treatment'?

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The NHS is in crisis. While services are being cut across the board, we are still shouldering the burden of maintaining legions of heroin addicts. Most of these individuals use their methadone prescriptions as a safety net and continue to use hard drugs. Whilst ultimately these wretched characters are victims of economic circumstance, there appears to be little motive for those in treatment to liberate themselves from the miserable and dehumanising chains of addiction. Enough is simply enough. The working poor can no longer subsidise this circus at the expense of vital services for vulnerable members of society.
 
the NHS should be free at the point of use for all british citizens. End of thread.
 
So you believe that ineffectual and counterproductive 'treatment' of adults who have made a conscious decision to become (and remain) addicts should take priority over the many services which have been cut?
 
heroin addicts are victims not just of circumstance but also victims of the pharacodynamics of heroin and the biology of the human body, so as such, have little or no control over their addiction. this is why it is called addiction. this is why they must be treated with the care and compassion a civilised society should have for any person with health issues.
 
heroin addicts are victims not just of circumstance but also victims of the pharacodynamics of heroin and the biology of the human body, so as such, have little or no control over their addiction.
Weak nonsense. The biology of the human body might lead you to need a shit when outdoors. Do you simply do it, or do you wait until you reach the next lavatory?
 
So we're meant to be held to ransom by these ne'er do wells, with the rationale being that they'll only nick to feed their habits otherwise? Why don't we subsidise (non-junkie) burglars then? Why not establish a stipend for paedophiles and flashers?
 
Weak nonsense. The biology of the human body might lead you to need a shit when outdoors. Do you simply do it, or do you wait until you reach the next lavatory?
That depends on information you have not provided ..... How likely am I to be seen? Is the ground suitable to dig a hole and bury it? If not, have I the wherewithal to store it cleanly for disposal later? How desperate am I?
 
why not answer mine since you started this thread with a rather vitriolitic angry sounding post which I would like you to offer your solution to, since you have clearly spent some time thinking about this issue.
 
What question would that be? The one you asked in order to divert attention from your argument's (massive) flaws?
 
No, I would like you to explain what you think should be done about the issue of the cost of mainting treatment programs for heroin addicts first, as you brought it up in the firstplace.
 
Nobody should be forced to pay for their own treatment. The NHS should be free at the point of use, for everyone, from the womb to the tomb, forever. The way Nye Bevan imagined. And if there is not enough money available, well, just tax the rich harder.

By the way, if any group of people deserve to have to pay for the NHS, motorists do (and for the injuries they cause to cyclists, horse riders and pedestrians) ..... and even I, as a dependent of Shanks's Pony, can't quite bring myself to support that.
 
No, I would like you to explain what you think should be done about the issue of the cost of mainting treatment programs for heroin addicts first, as you brought it up in the firstplace.
I think that's kind of clear from the title of the thread, no?
 
Nobody should be forced to pay for their own treatment. The NHS should be free at the point of use, for everyone, from the womb to the tomb, forever. The way Nye Bevan imagined. And if there is not enough money available, well, just tax the rich harder.
Yes, but should people's vices - criminality, even - be subsidised by hard-working taxpayers? Should persistent, prolonged heroin addiction really be a medical issue?
 
if you don't think heroin addiction is is a medical issue, then what kind of issue do you think it is?
 
A moral issue, a criminal issue and a personal issue. I believe counselling and a managed rapid detox should be offered initially. Maintenance, however, is both wrong and ineffective, and should not be paid for by the taxpayer.
 
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