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Should Ecstasy be legal?

You'd have many people using for the first time, so it would run the usual way:

40% would pound pills like candy, screw themselves up within a month, and complain loudly.
30% would roll too often and lose the magic within a year.
25% would space their rolls out and smile beautificly for years.
5% would try it once or twice and wonder what the big deal is.

* Numbers supplied by the US Dept. of Bogus Statistics
 
I want it to be legal, and if it was legalized, would everyone just start popping e? Like kids popping it before they were say, 21, just like they do with alcohol.. that doesn't seem so desirable. It would be cool if it was legalized but what's to stop it from ending up in the hands of kids?
 
I don't think it would change a thing. Those that don't take ecstasy will, in all probability, still refuse to take it. Look at what happened in the Netherlands; it's a literally a drug-free zone, and E consumption in the population is about the same as anywhere in Europe.

A little lower than the average actually, if I remember correctly.

E changed my life. I am for a legalization of E, but in careful circumstances. It should be used as a tool of exploration and introspection, not destruction. This is the dilemma; what right does the state have to control those that use it destructively or too much, and should be stopped from using? How would they go about it?

How does this conflict with 'I am free to take into my body any product I want' policy that I am a strong believer in?

I am not sure myself where to stand on this issue.
 
I bet if it was legal though there would be a lot more studies of it, and better ways of harm reduction would be discovered for it. They sell drugs to combat alcohol hangovers, imagine if they invented something like that for e. I guarantee you it is somewhat possible with enough research
 
Flat out, the majority of people have no self restraint, they would use too much and too often
and create psychological problems for themselves. Do I believe proper self restraint is possible? You bet, I think I practice it pretty well... but you gotta remember most people dont and unlike Alcohol, it has MUCH more of a psychological impact on people and a larger potential for screwing up peoples lives if they abused.

As for your comment dragonfly, IF it was possible for people to use it for a tool of exploration and not for destruction... who would regulate that? Even if it was perscribed alot of people sell thier perscription drugs to make money to other people who would also abuse it. I really dont believe there would be a (cost effective) way to regulate it.

So no, I would never wish it would be legalised.
 
Ecstasy should not be legal, at least not like pot should be legal.

All psycoactive drugs are abused to one degree or another, and being legal makes a drug much more likely to be abused. A good example is oxy, if it wasnt mass produced by drug companies as a painkiller america wouldnt have an oxy problem.

Ecstasy would be oxy x100. I have never found a drug more universally loved by everyone than ecstasy. If you were able to purchase ecstasy pills the same way you can purhase cigarettes and alcohol there would be at least 10 million every day ecstasy users born overnight.

The immidiate effects might not be all that bad. But trust me, I have seen what ecstasy abuse does to people, and it is not pretty. Not only would it ruin many lives, but it would burden our healthcare system with a ton of new dependant users. Most importantly, in a culture where estasy is aceptable real happiness would be all but replaced. I know I personally never feel as good normally as I do on E. What if I had the opprotunity to do that all the time, in public, without fear of punishment? It would be a major step back for society. I am all for legal responsible drug use, but people in this day in age are not ready for a culture of legal ecstasy.

Now if we are talking about limited psycotheraputic uses, that would make sense. But legal recreational ecstasy use? You are either unrealistic or dumb, or both.
 
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Care said:
Ecstasy should not be legal, at least not like pot should be legal.

All psycoactive drugs are abused to one degree or another, and being legal makes a drug much more likely to be abused. A good example is oxy, if it wasnt mass produced by drug companies as a painkiller america wouldnt have an oxy problem.

Ecstasy would be oxy x100. I have never found a drug so universally loved by everyone than ecstasy. If you were able to purchase ecstasy pills the same way you can purhase cigarettes and alcohol there would be at least 10 million every day ecstasy users born overnight.

The immidiate effects might not be all that bad. But trust me, I have seen what ecstasy abuse does to people, and it is not pretty. Not only would it ruin many lives, but it would burden our healthcare system with a ton of new dependant users. Most importantly, in a culture where estasy is aceptable real happiness would be all but replaced. I know I personally never feel as good normally as I do on E. What if I had the opprotunity to do that all the time, in public, without fear of punishment? It would be a major step back for society. I am all for legal responsible drug use, but people in this day in age are not ready for a culture of legal ecstasy.

Now if we are talking about limited psycotheraputic uses, that would make sense. But legal recreational ecstasy use? You are either unrealistic or dumb, or both.
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Alcohol. It is good. It is also easily abused. It is legal. We are fine. You are either unrealistic or dumb, or both.

I may post more thoughts on this subject later.
 
Care said:
Now if we are talking about limited psycotheraputic uses, that would make sense. But legal recreational ecstasy use? You are either unrealistic or dumb, or both.
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You pass judgment too fast. There may be ways of using E recreationally legally. It needs to be studied. What's for sure is that the prohibition is not working, I don't think anyone will deny that. So, maybe trying a compromise would work.

For instance, the state would release, say, 10,000 E pills of excellent quality.

Doctors would prescribe one pill to specifically chosen people and would follow their development carefully. Their drug use history would be taken into account, etc...

Surely a result of such an experiment would be most people would try to get hold of these, and only these. No shit pills, badly made. No PMA.

Sensible people, like me and, I believe, most of the population that would consume these drugs, would be so SHOCKED by the purity of these pills that they would not want to consume anything else.

A possible outcome of a scenario like this could be the reduction of the number of illegal pills used, combined with the close medical counsel the doctor would provide the patients.

The portion of the population that will take anything to get fucked won't be affected by this. They'll still eat anything they can get their hands on.

Just a theory.
 
imo xtx is a gateway to other drugs...

You make this legal then after a while people will want to experience other drugs. They will be tempted to try harder drugs like cocaine then to heroin and ice.

The price would also go down dramatically!

But then the government would put taxes on it.... So keep it illegal!
 
muntedmunter said:
You make this legal then after a while people will want to experience other drugs. They will be tempted to try harder drugs like cocaine then to heroin and ice.
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Really? 8o

I don't really think MDMA is a gateway drug... especially to any of those drugs.
 
Ecstatic Ty said:
Alcohol. It is good. It is also easily abused. It is legal. We are fine. You are either unrealistic or dumb, or both.

I may post more thoughts on this subject later.
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Here are the major differenes between alcohol and ecstasy that I can see.

1. alcohols neurotoxicity, while present, is no where near as severe as ecstasy
2. alcohol is not nearly as mentally addicive as ecstasy. It is physically addicive after long time use, but I would argue that the ratio of people that have tried alcohol and got addicted is much smaller than that of ecstasy.
3. The alcohol hangover, while unpleasant, is nowhere near as severe as that of MDMA. MDMA has been known to cause hangovers lasting days or even weeks.
4. Alcohol maintains its "fun" far longer than MDMA. After 10 or 15 uses alot of users report that the magic is gone, and either move on to something else or chase the high by taking more and more, with disaterous results.

It is easy to point to statistics that show smoking and drinking as major killers in our society. I am in no way trying to defend alcohol/tobaco companies, but drinking/smoking doesnt cause nearly as much of an impairment on day to day life as ecstasy. If you look at the average 20-something-year-old drug user an ecstasy habbit would have a much much more detrimental effect on their life than a drinking/smoking habbit.

Introducing MDMA as a legal recreational drug would be disasterous. People would fall in love with it and make it their new habbit. Try taking estasy every night for a week and see if you are still able to function.

If I ruled the world legalizing MDMA would be on my agenda, but not before introduing it as a therapy tool, and a massive re-working of drug education focusing on safe use instead of abstinance.
 
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You pass judgment too fast. There may be ways of using E recreationally legally. It needs to be studied. What's for sure is that the prohibition is not working, I don't think anyone will deny that. So, maybe trying a compromise would work.
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I agree.

What i'm arguing against is full legalization as a recreational drug tommorow. It needs to be studied. To this day we still dont fully understand how MDMA works. People need to be educated about how bad it can be if misused.

Lets say that tommorow the government suprised everyone and legalized ecstasy. Do you think anyone would listen to warnings saying it can be dangerous once they try it? After hearing about how it was the "drug of death" and "can kill with a single use" for years do you think they're going to believe a single word authorities have to say about the danger once they've rolled and had an amazing time? Drug authorities have to rebuild their credibility before taking massive steps like legalizing the drug that "puts holes in your brain".
 
muntedmunter said:
This is how it starts lol...

Caffeine --> Alcohol ---> Nicotine ---> MJ ---> lsd ---> xtc --->
coke ---> speed ---> ice ---> heroin

IMHO
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While I respect your opinion, I think whoever has such a small amount of self-control should probably stay away from anything.

But that's just what I think.

PLUR <3
 
muntedmunter said:
This is how it starts lol...

Caffeine --> Alcohol ---> Nicotine ---> MJ ---> lsd ---> xtc --->
coke ---> speed ---> ice ---> heroin

IMHO
=D
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Psh, drug use can take one of many different paths.




Like almost everyone, I really like like ecstasy, MDMA.

But there are negative, long-lasting, after effects involving serotonin synapse destruction. If you use it every weekend, the negative effects are gonna SUCK. With ecstasy at those levels, depression really is almost unavoidable; something in MDMA (a metabolite of it?) is causing damage.

If you use MDMA too often, it will, at least, take longer for serotonin regulation to re-stabilize and feel 'happy' again. And that's--obviously--no fun! At worst they might not fully recover.

Who knows, research is still far from explaining everything about how it works. (However, a new study on an alzhemier's drug called memantine seems to explain a lot of the mdma receptor activity. Don't get your hopes up on, though, it blocks the neurotoxicity AND the actual effects. It makes the MDMA not work at all.

For now, I'll take molly no more than 6 or 8 times a year and will only suffer a normal hangover and insignificant or non-existant SERT damage. At this level of use, I don't think I need to be too worried, as long as I keep taking my vitamins and 5-htp the days after.


But I really hope a new synthetic 'ecstasy' is developed in the future, without those nasty neurotoxins...it really is magik, and makes you feel alive, and to do use it more often, well, that would be divine. And would fix everything for everyone. :D
 
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52DSL said:
While I respect your opinion, I think whoever has such a small amount of self-control should probably stay away from anything.

But that's just what I think.

PLUR <3
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Yeah, you're right!

I suppose that was just my chain of drugs but mine went a bit like this, lol.

Caffeine --> Alcohol ---> Nicotine ---> MJ ---> lsd ---> xtc --->
coke ---> THE END. 8o
 
No, don't be sorry, that's just the drugs I have tried in order.

Haven't touched a pill in 2 months
Haven't touched coke since feb (but will be in 3 days) lol
Only touched lsd once
MJ is on random occasions like once a month
Alcohol is weekly
Nicotine is hourly
Caffeine is daily

PLUR
 
Care said:
Here are the major differenes between alcohol and ecstasy that I can see.

1. alcohols neurotoxicity, while present, is no where near as severe as ecstasy
2. alcohol is not nearly as mentally addicive as ecstasy. It is physically addicive after long time use, but I would argue that the ratio of people that have tried alcohol and got addicted is much smaller than that of ecstasy.
3. The alcohol hangover, while unpleasant, is nowhere near as severe as that of MDMA. MDMA has been known to cause hangovers lasting days or even weeks.
4. Alcohol maintains its "fun" far longer than MDMA. After 10 or 15 uses alot of users report that the magic is gone, and either move on to something else or chase the high by taking more and more, with disaterous results.

It is easy to point to statistics that show smoking and drinking as major killers in our society. I am in no way trying to defend alcohol/tobaco companies, but drinking/smoking doesnt cause nearly as much of an impairment on day to day life as ecstasy. If you look at the average 20-something-year-old drug user an ecstasy habbit would have a much much more detrimental effect on their life than a drinking/smoking habbit.

Introducing MDMA as a legal recreational drug would be disasterous. People would fall in love with it and make it their new habbit. Try taking estasy every night for a week and see if you are still able to function.

If I ruled the world legalizing MDMA would be on my agenda, but not before introduing it as a therapy tool, and a massive re-working of drug education focusing on safe use instead of abstinance.
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I don't believe your first point is proven, nor do I accept that the physical damage done by MDMA during comparable usage to alcohol is greater ... the reverse is true, IMO.

I think you're equating alcohol and MDMA use inappropriately here. If you compare pills to drinks one for one, you skew things beyond a reasonable point. Let's structure the comparison like this:

150mg of MDMA every three months = 3 or 4 drinks on a weekend evening
150mg of MDMA once a month = 3 or 4 drinks everyday
200mg+ of MDMA every two weeks = 6 or 7 drinks daily
Gobbling pills every weekend = full blown alcoholic

Obviously, anything (and will) be abused. Also consider that, for many of us, MDMA in not addictive ... nor do we all suffer from a hangover.
 
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