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Should Dateline be allowed to continue 'catch a predator'?

Pander Bear said:
or 29 year old production assistants posing as 13 year old girls, anyway. 8(.

Somehow, I imagine that real predator, the seasoned child molester, isn't going to expose himself to a scenario that is so obviously a sting.
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Doesn't really matter, it is still illegal. Like I said before, if you have a problem with it you really have a problem with the state not Dateline.

And the "real predator" will no longer use the internet to find potential victims. Making it much harder for them to find real ones.
 
Pander Bear said:
well never let it be said that I have no problems with the state! ;)

as for the second half of your post, you'll need some facts to back that up
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I will admit that I have no real facts to back that statement up. As if they do surveys on sexual predators to see whether they are less likely to solicit minors for sex because of Dateline's show. It is more of an educated guess.
 
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dtugg said:
No, they would not be guilty of having sex with a minor, but most states have laws making it illegal to solicitate a minor for sex which these guys are clearly guilty of (through their chat logs, the fact that they showed up to the houses when they thought the parents of the child weren't home with condoms/liquor, and often their interviews with Hansen). If the fact that these laws exist bothers you, you have a problem with the state not NBC.
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There are a number of constitutional and procedural safeguards that make most of the "evidence" compiled by Perverted Justice and Dateline NBC inadmissable in a court of law - and for good reason. For one, Chris Hansen is a TV personality, not a criminal investigator. If you were under investigation, would you want Emeril Lagasse heading up the task force? Of course not. You probably don't even want him to cook you dinner! Which is why I would be shocked if many of these charges were successfully prosecuted.

We all agree (except for the guy who calls himself Pander Bear, an obvious allusion to a pandering child's plaything) that a lot of the guys Dateline catches are creepy. But there are procedural safe guards for a reason in the criminal justice system and vigilante justice is not something that benefits society. The fact that NBC and Perverted Justice are profiting by undermining the system just compounds the issue.
 
Those safeguards of which you speak, Benefit, are mostly corrective, not preventative. Should political correctness prevent average people from singling out potentially dangerous individuals? We all know how reliable and effective our justice system is, if someone helps them track down a child-raping piece of shit, more power to them. I really don't care if it was the feds, or just another schmoe, if they can provide irrefutable proof that someone is a predator, and that predator gets put in jail to get cornholed by Bubba, isn't the world a better place?
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Doctor-G said:
Should political correctness prevent average people from singling out potentially dangerous individuals?
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precrime, anyone? Yes, what you call political correctness (inappropriately) should be a safeguard against what is basically a nationwide lynch mob. Evidentiary rules are in place for exactly that reason. :p
 
Benefit said:
There are a number of constitutional and procedural safeguards that make most of the "evidence" compiled by Perverted Justice and Dateline NBC inadmissable in a court of law - and for good reason. For one, Chris Hansen is a TV personality, not a criminal investigator. If you were under investigation, would you want Emeril Lagasse heading up the task force? Of course not. You probably don't even want him to cook you dinner! Which is why I would be shocked if many of these charges were successfully prosecuted.
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Chris Hansen is not the lead investigator in these cases. He is just the person that talks o these people on camera. The police are usually on scene and charge these sickos because they have enough evidence to do so (through the help of NBC at Perveted-Justice of course). And however shocked you may be about the the whole thing, almost all off the people in question were successfully convicted of the crimes they were alleged to have commited (mostly due to pleas but sometimes due to actual jury trials.)
 
Pander Bear said:
precrime, anyone? Yes, what you call political correctness (inappropriately) should be a safeguard against what is basically a nationwide lynch mob. Evidentiary rules are in place for exactly that reason. :p
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So if they aren't breaking laws, as is suggested, do you have a problem with the show?

Also, how is entrapment "immoral"?
 
Pander Bear said:
precrime, anyone? Yes, what you call political correctness (inappropriately) should be a safeguard against what is basically a nationwide lynch mob. Evidentiary rules are in place for exactly that reason. :p
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Like I said,"irrefutable proof".

Yes, precrime. It's a lot better than catching them after the fact. The evidence of which you speak, in this case, would be either the testimony, or the dead body, of a sexually abused child. Do I viciously deny these people's right to exist? Yes. Is that wrong? I don't think so. While I generally despise any type of authority, this is one area where I think they're not doing enough.
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^ let's just round up any vaguely creepy looking guys and cut their heads off. they're all potential molesters after all - now they'll never molest a child. you can pull the lever if you like (until we need to cut your head off, of course). if you disagree with this, you're not putting the children first which, essentially, makes you as bad as a child molester...
dtugg said:
...almost all off the people in question were successfully convicted of the crimes they were alleged to have commited (mostly due to pleas but sometimes due to actual jury trials.)
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i'm interested to read some substantiation of this. can you back this up?

(or is it another thing for which you "have no real facts to back that statement up")? :)

alasdair
 
I'm vaguely creepy looking, yet I have never attempted to solicit sex from a child. Being unaware of Chris Hansen's methods, I can't say I support him personally, but he makes regular people, parents and children, aware that there are some bad fucking people out there who are not only willing, but have a specific desire to molest little kids.

In regards to your 'straw man' argument:

Yes, alasdair, I believe that someone who has 'online sex' (or attempts to meet up with) with someone who is or claims to be a child is not only dangerous, but fucking stupid and should have their limbs smashed, then be fed to sharks.

I'm not talking about 19 year olds who have sex with 16 year oldsl, either, I'm talking about honest-to-god pedophiles.
 
Doctor-G said:
In regards to your 'straw man' argument...
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i don't actually believe that. it was intended as a somewhat satirical, somewhat humourous comment on the moral panic bubbling up here...

has anybody here - who hasn't seen it before - checked out the brass eye pedophilia episode? thoughts?

alasdair
 
I think one of these time Chris Hansen is going to end up getting shot or stabbed. I'm disgusted at them trying to take some of the worst and most disgusting stuff that happens in this world and commercializing it. Now I don't feel bad at all for these people to get caught. I think they should be beaten down on the spot for being so fucking retarded. This may also cause perverts to be more cautious and resort more to kidnapping or sexual battery.
 
alasdairm said:
we really do live in a "wikipedia said so..." culture now.

alasdair
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Are you saying they are wrong? I highly doubt it and if so it wouold be easy to prove. I linked to them because their article is by far the easiest to find and read.
 
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