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Short Suboxone Rattle

Mmm, this very interesting, and completely opposite to what I have been led to believe and witnessed.

You say you went straight onto subutex off a 30mg/day methadone habit, WITHOUT ANY PRECIPITATED WITHDRAWAL?? How the fuck did you manage that? Did you stay off the meth for a few days first until you were really rattling or what? I've never done subs myself, but the wife tried it when she was on 20mg/day of meth (having not taken any for 24 hours) and suffered the worst withdrawal she'd ever experienced. I'm currently on 40mg/day of meth and would like to switch to subs when possible, but I can't see that being a realistic option for quite a while.

So what's the secret man?

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spoke to my drug worker and she suggested that since I was already down to 30mgs and that I had given clean urines for months, I could try Suboxone. I had heard more or less good things about it and I was right up for trying, even if it did mean 3 days without any Methadone. To be honest, the Meth was still going to hold me for at least 48 hours, so I thought I'd only have to rattle for a day. That is really how it went but the 3rd day was pretty horrific


I said that had gone 3 days without my methadone. My last dose just held me off long enough (ie:the following 2 days) not to suffer too badly till the 3rd day.
 
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how long did you take them for Marmalade ? i mean, Sam ?

Fuck off! =D

I was on it for nearly six months, which was faaaaaarrrrr too long. I only stayed on because I was going through the latter part of the longest break-up in history and I wanted to keep my emotions on ice.

Big mistake, because the emotions came to a very ugly head when I finally tapered off.
 
hmmm, i think im gonna just enjoy myself for a couple more weeks, and then at least try to do the taper off as was originally intended. Id be an idiot to not even try. I might not feel all that bad if i limit my bupe habit to 5 or 6 weeks or something. And then give time, time, to adjust, and if i then go back to feeling awful after several months with no improvement in sight, fuck it, im going back to bupe for that instant fix in the form a a little piull.
 
By the way, I'm 7 days in and so far, I haven't touched any sub today at all. I had a little crumb up my nose yesterday but that was it all day.....I feel a little hot but who doesn't in this weather?
 
Good for you, but I really don't think your experience is typical of most people.

I take it you haven't dosed in four days?
 
mood still ok ?

Aye my mood has been very good actually. Can't complain at all. Perhaps lacking the odd couple of hours in the morning but otherwise OK. Also been getting the odd hot flashes but that might just be the weather. It's gone too well so far. I'm expecting a fall of some kind. I just hope that's the pessimist in me.
 
Good for you, but I really don't think your experience is typical of most people.

I take it you haven't dosed in four days?

No smack, just the smallest amount of sub I can get away with. Still haven't had any today and don't feel anything detrimental happening. I'll probably take maybe a single mg nearer bedtime to ensure I sleep properly again but I don't feel I need it for WDs.
 
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I said that had gone 3 days without my methadone. My last dose just held me off long enough (ie:the following 2 days) not to suffer too badly till the 3rd day.

Sorry man, only saw yer first post and couldn't be arsed to read the rest of the thread - I just thought 'What the fuck?'.

Yeh, 3 days makes a lot more sense, it's just that yer first post implied that you just jumped straight on the subs didn't it?
 
even if youre taking teeny amounts of sub, youre probably gonna still get withdrawals (at lease mid ones) when you jump off completely.
if i were you, id go as song as you could without the sub to see how bad itll be. then snort JUST enough to feel better. i find that works best in my exp.
sub can be very euphoric at sub 2mg doses so wtach out for that. id probably just jump off now if you can.
my apologoes if i havent read this thread right, im a little buzzed
 
Sorry man, only saw yer first post and couldn't be arsed to read the rest of the thread - I just thought 'What the fuck?'.

Yeh, 3 days makes a lot more sense, it's just that yer first post implied that you just jumped straight on the subs didn't it?

No, you're just reading neither post right. On the first post I jumped right in from Heroin.

The second post, I waited 3 days coming from Methadone.

Read the thread again and it all becomes quite clear.
 
Ive aready decided to extend my taper plan by 20 days @ 1 mg doses. Im fully aware that im treading dangerous waters, but ive had much more than my fair share of troubles (poor me) that im gonna treat myself to an unplanned extended run on bupe. I will try to resume this taper after the extra 10 x 2 mg tablets have gone. I'd be a defeatist twat not to even try. I may very well be a total twat, but i aint no defeatist "i get knocked down" alll the time" but i get back up again, aint nothing ever gonna keep me down"
 
Exchanging your AH-7921 habit for a bupe habit then, rather than detoxing quickly?

Makes perfect sense, does that...
 
How did AH get people addicted? From most reports it was a really shittie recreational opi, just good painkilling effects iircis it just starnard opiate dependancy/withdrawal or are there any unusual aspects to it? (e.g meth rattle lasting ages etc)
 
Exchanging your AH-7921 habit for a bupe habit then, rather than detoxing quickly?

Makes perfect sense, does that...

it makes every sense to a hedonist. Plan A failed. Im on plan B now. Live it up for 3 weeks. Then get back on the taper. Do it. Give time, time. (if im still an empty shell after 6 months off bupe then i'll be back on it withoout a second thought)

it also makes sense in that bupe makes you feel 80 % happier and more confident that AH. Admittedly what im saying now is nothing like what i was saying 3 weeks ago.

i know youre right. You may be able to understand what living through 23 years of a shitty life does to you. Happiness and confidence in the form of a pill couldnt be any more seductive.
 
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How did AH get people addicted? From most reports it was a really shittie recreational opi, just good painkilling effects iircis it just starnard opiate dependancy/withdrawal or are there any unusual aspects to it? (e.g meth rattle lasting ages etc)

Of the few people that tried it and reported their experiences they consisted of the withdwarwals lasting 1 months of long drawn out acute misery. No one wanted to face that. Least of all myself.
 
I idiotically switched from kratom to subutex a little while ago(I know I'm ashamed trading a plant habit with pills, stupid), which I have tapered gradually, but coming off it I've found incredibly hard, even when jumping from a tenth of a pill. I've been feeling rough since last sunday

More on this, I wasn't dosing every day though, just wanted to save money on the kratom and use the sub to maintain, however the source dried up and had to do a quick taper. From last sunday to thursday was pure hell, yesterday I was still feeling pretty bad but today things are improving.
 
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MDB, how badly hooked are you really?

Ive never just stopped taking it, so i dont know when w/ds will start kicking in, but i know it'll be at least 18 hours.

I'm asking, if you'd stop 'cold turkey' now, do you have any clue how sick you'd get? I'm seeing your posts go all over the place, from 0 to 180 and back, but I'm not sure how bad of a habit that AH7291 stint actually even gave you.

You say all the reports on AH7291 "consisted of the withdwarwals lasting 1 months of long drawn out acute misery", really? I've read milder reports.
 
^^^ way way up top, there isn't suppose to be any price discussion or sourcing. This is the first time I have ever seen it go unoticed
 
i know youre right. You may be able to understand what living through 23 years of a shitty life does to you. Happiness and confidence in the form of a pill couldnt be any more seductive.

I can relate to escapism, sure. I'm a 33-year old guy who dresses like Sid Vicious, y'know?

Seriously though - it ain't worth the crash you're setting yourself up for. And there will be a crash; one of such magnitude you'll wonder what on earth you were thinking. Happiness and confidence will be even more elusive when reality collects its debt and you go batshit crazy.

Wouldn't happen to you? Don't put money on it.
 
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