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shooting up

pixiedustxx

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apparently the gear in england is different than that in the states. i try to shoot and after i cook it up there are all these granuals left on the bottom of the spoon, and it doesnt really shoot well. the granuals are dope too cuz i heat it up and it smells like it, without even heating it actually.. but its making it very difficult to get a good shot. i know its good stuff cuz when i sniff it im outta it... any help??

thanks
kate
 
Most UK H is basic (alkaline and designed to be smoked) for IV it needs breaking down with a little citric acid or vit-c is, some needle exchanges and chemists provide this free along with syringes and water. IMO this type of H should only be smoked No3 has too many dangers associated with IV. No4 (diamorphine hydrochloride - white powder) is for IV only, but its unlikely to be seen on the streets much these days. Smoking it is way safer as some UK H is very strong, which is why most ppl are content to smoke it.
 
If she's trying to IV heroin, then I doubt she'll be very satisfied with smoking it.
 
^ Its purity is very high, thats why its more popular to smoke it here nowadays - less OD's. in the past i have met lots of 'mericans who snort or IV and a few of em had to be taken away by ambulance. Some ppl IV it - I have seen reports that the H here ranges from 40 - 80% purity on average, also its cheap so dealers dont bother cutting it so much. Another factor is that there is less gang involvement at the user end thus leading to more competitiveness.

http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm199900/cmhansrd/vo001129/text/01129w19.htm
 
If it's made to smoke then how come

she's able to snort it? I'm completely in the dark about H, as I've never seen it or done it before, but I'm wondering if it's that pure how can it be safe to snort?
 
^Blah, lemon juice can contain a bacteria that can cause blindness and vineger isnt too good ffor you either. Citric acid and vitamin C, is availible in every pharmacy in the UK and is the safest option and only needs a lil pinch. Snorting is ok but still has the same dangers of OD as IV. AFAIK smoking rarely causes OD, I can attest that it works fine - thats what No3 is designed for.
 
twominds said:
Here in Melbourne Aust. the Heroin always dissolves in cold water never requiring to be heated.


Fuck yeah,If my gear didn't dissolve in cold water with 3 seconds of stiring i would be furious,Shit,We even get plastic spoons in syringe kits!!!

I love the gear in Melbs at the moment:)Big white melting rocks.....yum,yum:)
 
white dope is usually really good quality, brown comes in second, and black tar is just plain shit. All it's really ment for(black tar) is to be smoked.

I have never done heroin but this is what i've been told.

I'm currently on Xanax and lortabs so this post may be fucked up, LOL!
 
aloowishus said:
Fuck yeah,If my gear didn't dissolve in cold water with 3 seconds of stiring i would be furious,Shit,We even get plastic spoons in syringe kits!!!

I love the gear in Melbs at the moment:)Big white melting rocks.....yum,yum:)
Being in Melbourne we're pretty lucky with our quality.:)
 
^Exactly

tar heroin has the advantage of being difficult to cut, so even if its low purity due to the "natural cuts" in it, on average you're much better off with tar than any other gear around here...
 
Heroin #3 is not always freebase, it is often very water soluble and does not smoke well. In most cases it doesnt require an acid to dissolve. The dangers with shooting heroin #3, like tar, is that you are injecting a product that is not simply diacetylmorphine, but a crude mixture of morphine, codeine, thebaine, 6-monoacetylmorphine (partially reacted heroin), and some heroin. It can also contain plant matter and latex from the opium from which it was made. This means you are injecting something that is bound to have particulates that will not dissolve, and wind up in your lungs. Plus, codeine is not safe to IV, although tar should contain only a relatively small amount, good tar would have only traces. Even if you filter it with cotton, the solution remains dark brown to black. With good heroin #4 the solution wil appear clear. Even if you run it through a micron filter, the tar still retains the original color, and if you are using a large amount dissolved in small amount of fluid, you may clog the filter and loose product. Still, at the least the micron filtration (maybe a .45ug) removes most bacteria that could be present. A .2ug maybe more safe and will eliminate more bacteria and particulate, but it is more prone to clogging, especially with tar.

I've injected tar many times (its all thats available in my area, believe me i would use powder if i could), filtering with only with cotton, and have not encountered any serious problems. Missed shots are painfull and somewhat long lasting, but mine have all gone away overtime. I have deliberated much regarding which is the less unsafe, injecting (using cotton) tar, or pills. I suppose, it depends on the tar's quality and potency, and the type of pill and its ratio of insoluble binders to drug. If your dealing with a micron filter, i would say pills are safer to shoot than tar. The good thing about pills is that you know the composition of the cut, you know the dose, and it is not tainted with bacteria. The benefit of tar is that it may have less particulates, it most likely does not contain insolubles such as talc or silicon dioxide as pills do, and if it is good quality, it may have a lower particulate to drug ratio.

In my opinion, dilaudid, both filtered with cotton, is safer to inject than tar. Oxycontin may be equally unsafe as injecting tar, filtered with cotton. Ms contin, or any morphine sustained release tablet is definately more dangerous to inject than average tar heroin, due to all the insoluble wax. Again these are just my opinions. Injecting either drug is definately not a safe practice. A micron filter makes the process a great deal safer, but the element of danger still exists.
 
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white dope is usually really good quality, brown comes in second

That's not always true.

The dope I get (Baltimore) ranges from white to dark brown and the color itself is rarely an indicator of how pure/potent it is. Generally the light tan colored rocks are better than the pure white ones.
 
^^^This is true, and it is easier to adulerate plain white powder than a solid brown/tan rock, the brown rocks seem as if they were broken right off the large compressed brick of powder.
 
It seems as though I have some #3 and some #4 (Canada). I was thinking that the tan stuff I have works well railed so wouldn't that translate to water soluble since it is obviously being absorbed through the mucous membranes. The white stuff had me just nodding like shit after a couple of rails(about 60mg). I was basically slumped over the computer trying to type. I am thinking of experimenting with an IV hit. I have sterile water. If I sterilize the spoon then a cooton ball will work as a filter? I used to use a cigarette filter back in the day with coke but I am much less reckless now and want to be fairly sure I am doing it right. Never IV'd heroin before.
 
Ebeneezer-

Yes I am aware of the dangers of lemon juice, I was just throwing that out there in case somebody is in a pinch and cant find absorbic acid. I have never had any problems using lemon juice and it works well for breaking down hard to dissolve dope and crack. Sometimes the smell and taste of vinegar is very hard to bear and at times makes me gag. I was unaware of the ill effects that can be caused by lemon juice until I first started coming on bluelight and I tend to rarely use it since it has been brought to my attention.

As for powdered vitamin C (citric acid, for some reason absorbic acid is popping into my head, what is that used for?) it is easy to use to much, like you said just a lil' pinch is all you need. When to much is used you will feel a sting through out your veins (at least I do/did). Also I find that this is not nearly as available as some of the alternatives but I have never really kept an eye peeled for it when at stores.

I have also found that heat helps to dissolve the dope (#3 or similar hard to break down heroin). Not a harsh long bring the dope/water mixture to a boil cook but a gradual multiple reheating of the dope tends to help it to dissolve a bit easier.

I dont run into heroin like this to often (#3) but on occasion I do. The overall high pales in comparison to a nice clean #4 high. I can often tell the difference right off the bat as the rush is reminiscent of morphine, I tend to get the typical pins and needle sensation starting at the top of my head and traveling down to the tips of my toes (for those not familiar with the rush I am speaking of, it is similar to when your foot or something falls asleep and it is numb and well feels like a million pins and needles). I also tend to flush red and overall the high is very rough on my stomach almost making it uncomfortable but dont get me wrong it does pack a punch.

Occasionally I will run into users (heroin) that cold cook there heroin as no heat is needed. Recently I ran into some friends that were insistent on cooking this way. They would just powderize the rocks of heroin, add water swish the solution around with the back of the plunger drop in a cotton and boom of to the races, granted the heroin was of high quality. If you think about it is a fairly sound princible since heroin is highly water soluble what is the sense of cooking it up using heat other than to help it dissolve more readily. Heat also helps any adulterants (cuts) to break down easier and become suspended in the solution (which can be a good or bad thing, as I find that some cuts add to the quality of the high), also some people grab hold of the theory that heat kills any bacteria in the dope prior to injection, personally I dont hold to much merit in this idea as to truly kill any bacteria a strong rolling boil would be needed which would evaporate some of the heroin that is suspended in the water. Can anybody add to that? Does it kill bacteria? I am sure it doesn't hurt but I am not to sure.

As for tan, brown, black, white, beige, or yellowish heroin its not always a reliable sign on the quality. There is just way to much a variety on potency to peg down the strength by color. One thing that I have found that tends to lead me to assume that the potency of the heroin is high, is the color of the solution once it is dissolved and ready for injection. When the water is a light brown to deep brown color I am usually in store for a nice strong rush and also the high that follows. Does anybody else see any correlation between strength and the tint of the liquid prior to injection? Sometimes when I get heroin that is a bright white (baby powder color) and once water hits it the solution turns a deep tan color I usually refer to this as ice-tea dope because of the color of the water/heroin mixture. Also I am curious about the pharmacutical heroin you get/have got from your doctor over there. What does the powder resemble? What does the water/dope solution look like (color)? What does the dope/water solution look like from the typical street heroin over there (once again I am speaking mainly about the color of it)?

Ok, I rambled way to much about heroin that most people could give a shit less but I find it interesting 'shrugs'. All this talk of dope is making me want to use my 'tomorrows bag' tonight...!@!

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