Sorry lacey K, you sound like one of those crazy people who thinks children should not be exposed to anything and must live in a germ free environment, in a padded room.
All those things you described.. are things every human has to deal with at almost all points in life. Theres 'backstabbing' and 'betrayal' at elementary school. Theres greed and manipulation at elementary school too! Kids are just humans, and display the same traits. Cartoons are not to blame, and i think NOT exposing your children to these things, is ultimatly, going to fuck them up. Because somewhere down the line, its gonna happen, they are going to be exposed to it, and they will be like 'wtf.. what do i do?'.
Just fuck it! Kids are kids.. i didnt watch much tv when i was a very young kid, infact barely any till i was about maybe, 6 or 7? But there i was when i was 4 years old, sitting behind a couch with another girl, showing each other our genitals. OMG WTF HOW COULD THIS BE WITHOUT CARTOONS INFLUENCING ME! Well, its called reality, and little kids do the same shit adults do just on different levels.
Na, I aint like that at all. you really exaggerating yo. This aint a unreasonable thing, and its funny to me that so many people is getting the idea that any person who thinks a 4 or 5 year old child should not be watching cartoons with blatant over the top sexual references means that they some kind of crazy ultra protective person.
It reminds me of the people in SLR who talk about havin casual sex 5 days a week with one night stands they meet at the bar who say that monogamy is like, totally stupid, and only for lame losers and everybody cheats anyways so why bother....And then when you say "damn, I think that havin sex with a different partner every night of the week is a little bit slutty to be honest" and everybody jumps on you and calls you a judgemental, totally sexually repressed prude asshole.
Things like u described moonyham, "when I was 4 i was doin this, etc", thats normal, natural shit. Thats wat kids do, its a part of growing up. I think you would have a hard time ever finding a kid who HADNT "played doctor." Its healthy and there aint nothing wrong with it. That is sexuality, on a CHILDS level....the shit in the cartoons aint....And if they dont understand it and it aint for them...why bother putting it in. Of course, becuz parents want to be entertained....and apparently there aint NOTHING else in the world that can entertain a parent other than a sex joke. no other kind, no other references or little jokes, but just ones about sex. and that the desire to be entertained when watchin a show that aint even MEANT for them, is so strong, that they are totally cool with all the sex stuff bein in the show. I just think thats mad weird that a parent would put THEIR entertainment first when watching a show that is suppose to be for their KID, I guess.
and for the record, the whole 'germs' thing you said is waaaay off base about me. The way some people act about everything havin to be "clean" is so out of control IMO....I swear i will never own a can of Lysol or be one of those crazy ass moms who sprays down every fuckin surface of the house the second it gets a fingerprint on it. that shit is just psycho....as well as the stupid kidn of "protection" for kids, like they need kneeepads and helmets to walk around the block...It just aint necessary. Kids shold fall down and skin their knee and get dirt on them, for sure. My kid can feel free to play in the dirt and make mud pies and crawl on the floor and fuckin...watever. thats childhood. I aint gona be wipin the babtys hands with sanitizer everywhere we go. people take that shit so far overboard its just insane. the reason I never got sick as a kid was prolly becuz my mom didnt constantly try to disinfect every damn thing in our environment and played outside barefoot and you know...actually got a chance to devlop a real immune system instead of bein shielded from everything , so, dont be so quick to judge or assume yo. I aint nothing at all like that.
Kids learn about life thru life, and thats how they SHOULD learn about life.
You are right that there is lyin and betrayal , etc in school and all stuff like that.
So let kids learn about it there, and not in TV in some exaggerated, adult form.
I really dont care wat people try to say, but kids really DO learn things from TV. kids are incredibly observant and notices all kind of shit. They pick up shit they see on TV whether its good or bad. it dont just go in one ear and out the other. that shit influences them for better or worse.
sure TV dont make kids into a monster when they use to be a little angel. It dont make nobody kill people or nothin like that. But, it DOES have some effect on them. So that was my issue with TV showing people idolizing and worshiping money....Promoting greed and backstabbing kind of behavior....glamorizing violence and betrayal, etc. And remember, I aint talkin about 10 year olds here. We are talkin about young-ass kids. 4, 5, 6 year olds. And If u had bothered to read any of my many posts other than the OP in this thread you woulda seen me repeat many times that i DONT believe tv is gonna "corrupt the children" or some shit like that.
But I honestly cannot understand the need for that kind of content in a kids show. I just dont comprehend why its necessary. people say, so the parents can be amused too. But the show aint suppose to amuse the parents, its suppose to amuse the kids.
In the end who knows. Most kids probably dont notice shit about it, even though I did as a kid. Maybe it goes over the heads of almost every kid who watches it and dont have no effect on kids at all.
But i STILL dont think it needs to be there. TV can affect kids, like i was just sayin, but just to clear it up i was talkin more about the type of shit moonyhan was bringing up when i said i had a problem with certain negative shit and ways of acting like manipulation, greed, etc and that whole list, I wasnt talkin so much about the innuendos of the topic. Becuz if the stuff is goin over a kids head and they aint noticing it obviously it aint affecting them.
But I dont think people is catching my point that REGARDLESS of if the kid understands it or not....It dont matter, Its just the fact of why does that need to be in there. Thats it....with every show on TV for adults full of all kind of violence and sex and every other damn thing.....is it that horrible to just let a kids cartoon be the one thing that aint full of all that stuff?
People are gettin it twisted, thinkin that my issue is that somehow I think that watchin these shows will twist and pervert children or some shit. And i really dont, i really really dont. I dont think that kids should be in a glass box and never get exposed to nothing in the world. Kids need to know about the good and the bad of the world to grow up and be healthy. It aint about thinkin a kid should be sheltered from hearin a joke that they probably dont even understand anyways. It aint gonna HURT them most likely. I just feel like honestly, its in horrible taste. that I cant understand the thinking behind the makers of these shows, that feel like its necessary or appropriate to put the joke in there.
loved it so much, mom and grandma would always watch it with me too. I loved Ren and Stimpy and it was even on Niceolodeon (sp?) right after Rugrats sometimes (another kid friendly show I feel). 
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When I say sexual experiences I mean things like playing doctor rather than 5 year olds having full on sex with each other (which I'm not even sure is possible, lol). Sexualising young children is not the same and something I don't agree with. However, introducing them to sex and all things related to sex is an important lesson in life. Learning about the female anotomy as a 6 year old served me well.
