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Sexual Ethics in Recovery

treezy z

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I haven't fucked in a while (no interest due to drugs.)

In the past I never had any qualms. Girl has an engagement ring on? Cool looks good holding my dick. Tell a girl she's the one, wash my dick off tell another girl she's the one.

Put me on fucking Maury.

I'm thinking this behavior will not benefit my recovery.

I'm wondering if anyone has had to be more ethical with the opposite sex while in recovery.
 
If it feels like you have problem with your behaviour relating to sexual actions and picking partners and that might lead to drug use then I would suggest for you to start thinking about changing your ways on that area of life too.

I have always been into deeper relationships and hardly ever even have sex on the first date although current relationship did start by having sex at first date but I had known the girl for years.

Only times when I have wanted to just have sex without obligations has been during and just after opioid withdrawals though.
 
Yeah my libido has come back with a vengeance. Personally, I find it much more satisfying to chase women instead of a high. How you go about getting them women is up to you. There are plenty of women that want NSA type relationships. I think the main think to avoid would be going after girls who are also new in recovery, especially if you go to AA/NA. It's frowned up although still happens regularly.
 
As long as both parties consent and know that the sex is casual I don't see what other hard and fast ethical rules apply. I personally wouldn't have sex with a married women but I wouldn't judge someone who did. I feel the onus is on the person in the relationship not to sleep around not on everyone else to prevent her from doing it.
 
Yeah my libido has come back with a vengeance. Personally, I find it much more satisfying to chase women instead of a high. How you go about getting them women is up to you. There are plenty of women that want NSA type relationships. I think the main think to avoid would be going after girls who are also new in recovery, especially if you go to AA/NA. It's frowned up although still happens regularly.

Ya I pretty much only talk to dudes at meetings, no interest in "fucking where i sleep."
 
I would not get engadged or married for at least a year of recovery. Our emotions are pretty sketchy and can not really be trusted for a bit.

This is very true for most everyone. It is why rehab romances likely end up in relapse for both parties. Basically, you are rebooting your life and need only focus on yourself. I would also say it takes a solid year to learn how to not be codependent, express your emotions in a healthy manner, and learn who you are without using.

@treezy z : I would suggest not going after married women or engaged women. This can lead to some unfortunate circumstances for you. There is nothing wrong with taking care of your needs, especially if you have been on opiates for a while. Just keep an eye on yourself and do not let it become an addictive behavior. Do you have a sponsor?
 
I think you should focus on continuing to resolve the issues driving you to use and focus on building a solid foundation for your new life. Regardless of whther you enter into a relationship or not, chasing girls for sex is going to add a layer of complexity that I don't think your life particularly needs right now. Should you fall for one that is a whole different level of complexity, and realistically could make you relapse. I think you should spend your time and energy towards health right now - you have the rest of your life to chase skirt.
 
I agree that relationships should be avoided early on. Just keep it casual. Talk to your sponsor about it. Because the way it sounds is that it's either sex or drugs for you. As long as you are smart about it and keep working your program, man, get you some.
 
I agree that relationships should be avoided early on. Just keep it casual. Talk to your sponsor about it. Because the way it sounds is that it's either sex or drugs for you. As long as you are smart about it and keep working your program, man, get you some.

This is some good advice. Just be careful not to come down with a case of the feels. It always seemed to me that in every friends with benefits situation someone eventually develops feelings. This can be sticky in early recovery, especially if you are both in recovery.

How are you liking your sponsor?
 
I personally believe that womanizing or chasing tail without regard for whether I do someone else harm or manipulate them to be a form of relapse. Actually I consider it much more so than just using my DOC on a single occasion would be if I then came to my senses, as chasing tail indiscriminately requires both intent and repeated efforys. IMHO people who behave so and manipulate the objects of their corporeal desire are sorely lacking in quality recovery. This applies regardless of whether it is a girl doing it to a guy, a girl doing it to a girl, a guy doing it to a girl or a guy doing it to a guy. It applies to all of the above.

It also can't help but make me think that you are truly just acting out, reacting with little thought or wisdom to the fact you still haven't meaningfully addressed many of the holes within your sense of self left over from what we did during our addiction and what has been done to us throughout our lives that you still might feel acutely even though consciously you are still unaware of many of them. In disrespecting someone who might otherwise end up being a serious, even lifelong partner you are denying yourself the dignity you posses simply as a member of the human species and a living, breathing entity.

Is anyone out there honestly that okay with someone else using them contray to their own wishes?
 
I personally believe that womanizing or chasing tail without regard for whether I do someone else harm or manipulate them to be a form of relapse. Actually I consider it much more so than just using my DOC on a single occasion would be if I then came to my senses, as chasing tail indiscriminately requires both intent and repeated efforys. IMHO people who behave so and manipulate the objects of their corporeal desire are sorely lacking in quality recovery. This applies regardless of whether it is a girl doing it to a guy, a girl doing it to a girl, a guy doing it to a girl or a guy doing it to a guy. It applies to all of the above.

It also can't help but make me think that you are truly just acting out, reacting with little thought or wisdom to the fact you still haven't meaningfully addressed many of the holes within your sense of self left over from what we did during our addiction and what has been done to us throughout our lives that you still might feel acutely even though consciously you are still unaware of many of them. In disrespecting someone who might otherwise end up being a serious, even lifelong partner you are denying yourself the dignity you posses simply as a member of the human species and a living, breathing entity.

Is anyone out there honestly that okay with someone else using them contray to their own wishes?

Yeah if the person in question is using deceptive practices to get sex, or seeking out sex compulsively to the point of engaging in risky behavior, then what you say absolutely holds water. With OP, it seems like he is going from 0 libido to ^infinity and beyond. So should he ignore one of his most basic desires? Start jacking it 5 times a day and become addicted to porn? Meditate when he wants to have sex and spend all day saying "ohm"?

I don't agree that chasing women could be cosidered a relapse.
I'm not trying to be rude but you made some strong statements yet offer not a single suggestion to the OP.

I've decided that AA is not for me but I always used to hear "stay teachable" in the rooms. That stuck with me. I also have noticed you are knowledge, and possibly very active in Buddhism. So, and I say this sincerely, teach us something that could be helpful.
 
Well, I for one just gained all my libido back after being on methadone for 2+ years after a ten year opioid addiction, so I can completely relate to and understand going from 0 to 60 over the course of a short time. It led me to making some very, very shall we say less than skillful decisions that ended up doing some serious harm. All that I post here is not mere opinion, but thoughts arrived at after loads of good times, fun, silliness, poor choices, experiences for better and worse, as well as hard work, honesty, self compassion and years of gaining new insight.

Am I suggesting anyone spend all day meditating? Only if you are so lucky as to be able to get a chance to work with an amazing teacher and are comfortably able to do so financially, something that is next to impossible for 99% of us in the west. Even if that were more practical for us it would not solve all our problems. The most meaningful insights gained from meditation and mindfulness are those when we can wake up and apply to the normal, every day type activies and experiences - the small stuff not so much the landmark, major moments in life.

So I do believe learning a bit about mindfulness and developing a practice would be helpful in terms of the OP finding himself and learning how to relate not only to women but, more importantly, also to himself in new healthier, kinder, more compassionate and loving ways. Not only that, but he would be able to achieve and appriciate what his libido so craves in deeper, more meaningful and enjoyable (read: pleasurable) ways, over the long term and in the here and now, all sooner than he might think.

Neither meditation nor mindfulness is about ignoring our true nature as human beings or human desire. Rather they are all about embracing the magesty of what it means to be us, empowering us through helping us get more in touch with our Buddha nature, resulting in our becominy more skillful when it comes to the fullfilment of desire. This may not lead to aquiring more pleasureful moments, but it is not like one could aquire a moment of time and bottle it for later enjoyment like some tasty new beverage :\ The fruits of our labors in practice will be to aquire new tools and skills that enable us to, among other things, experience pleasure in more fullfilling, meaningful ways.

Minfuldness and meditation are both about ways to address the suffering inherent in our lives, in ways to reduce the harm we cause to ourselves, the ones we love, and our world. We can accomplish this by reorienting ourselves, by skillfully changing how we relate to ourselves, our loved ones and the world around us. Pain in life is inevitable but suffering is unecessary. We can eventually see for ourselves how suffering is caused by unskillful action, by acts driven by lust, greed, ignorance, and selfishness and self-centeredness. Mindfulness is all about taking responsibility for yourself and how your affect others and your enviroment, how you relate to your world, and ultimately how to navigate the rivers of life, regardless whether you find yourself swimming upstream or down, in healthier, freer, more sustainable ways.

I used to think nothing was more fun than fucking on heroin. And true, the chance to make love for 12 hrs straight is amazing. But learning how to best experience the pleasures of sex and share such intimate, beautiful moments with another person? Few things in life can beat that.

To actually answer the OPs question:

Have I had to be more ethical in recovery than pre recovery? Hell no! Has it been good for me? Hell yeah! My morals are nothing new for me, but getting my ethics to begin to really reflect them has been what has changed.

I made the same mistakes pre recovery that I did post sobriety. Big difference is that now I have actually started learning from them, sobriety makes that oppertunity a possibility for the first time, and engaging more fully in my recovery has made real change possible in so many diverse arenas of my life. Learning from my experiences and putting insight to use has been crux of the real change, but I still make mistakes. I never will be perfect, after all. My practice is all about the importance of making mistakes, learning from them, and growing as a result into more of a human being,although not always a better one.

I'm just having more meaningful fun these days. There is so much more peace in my life these days than ever before. There are far better things to do with the object of my desire than to just mess with it in the hopes of satiating my own purely temporary carnal desire.
 
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Let me add, please do not let anyone feeling like I was being accusatory, I really had no one in mind when I made my posts except myself. I just saw this thread and said what I felt was important for me to contribute. In a society where a man, not to mention a woman, is quickly shamed for describing him or herself as a femininist, where behavior like seeing how many peole you can fuck in a night at any cost to the people you are fucking is rewarded and eschued in nearly all areas of culture, particularly where I am from in Southern California, the land of the plastic barbie doll woman, well I feel like voicing my opinions here in a not so succinct matter of fact way is important.
 
This thread is very interesting.

Let me add that in early recovery addicts tend to want to create close bonds with people they share recovery with. This can lead to some great friendships. Just be wary because there are a lot of people in meetings that want to thirteenth step all the newbies. These people will actively exploit the vulnerable newcomer for their own desire which can lead the newcomer to feel used, and have poor self worth.
 
Wow! Had an engagement ring on, are you the fiancé ? Anyhoo in recovery depending how you are approaching it, relationships should be on the back burner unless your already in one like I have been for 11 yrs and trying to get sober. In sober living or not ethical relations are work that could be put towards your program. Everyone is different, I do understand that. Doesn't mean you can't have fun. Guys are guys!
 
Doesn't mean you can't gave fun, such an important point. One of the biggest challanges of adulthood is becoming more skillful with appriciative joy. This I firmly believe.
 
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