Sexual assault on 9-year-old girl leads to prison term for Bay City man

[drscience]

If someone had a cage in their basement in which they locked people that they thought had done something wrong then you'd consider it wrong in all likelyness. Prison doesn't help people for the most part, so why use it? Just to torture people you disagree with? Why not actually try and make the situation better instead of reverting to childish and barbaric means of making people do what you want? Prison simply doesn't work in its current state. People who do things that are wrong need rehabilitation, not punishment, and most people released from prison return to committing crime after their release.

Most people in prison don't deserve to be there, but that's a subjective argument. Most people in prison are there for victimless crimes. Normal citizens are also not good in my opinion, I find most of them to be horrible people.

The simplicity of your post is funny. MDMA wouldn't be given to him as a drug, it would be given to him for therapy. Pedophiles don't choose to be pedophiles, humans aren't neccesarily in control of our sexual desires (gay people don't choose to be gay, people with foot fetishes don't choose to have them, pedophiles don't choose to be attracted to young people), and if he was intoxicated it's understandable (although still not acceptable) that his behaviour could get out of hand. Would you feel that the system was justified in harming you permanently (I wonder how easy it is to get a job while in the sex offenders registry) if you had taken a drug, blacked out, and woken up having done something you never would have dreamed of doing sober?

How would prison help more then intensive therapy and rehabilitation coupled with a punishment that wasn't inhumane? What good will come of this guy being locked up that couldn't come from treatment?

The bottom line is that this guy is mentally ill, and mental illness should not be punished. He didn't choose to be a pedophile, and he didn't do anything wrong until he was not his normal self. He didn't have control over this situation, so why should he be hurt over it? It's not like prison will make him stop being attracted to minors.

If no other treatment works and he committs a similar crime again then he should be sterilized. That way there is a humane solution that's guaranteed to work without denying him basic human rights. We as a society should be more compassionate and less barbaric in the way we treat people. We're all human, put yourself in his shoes.

I agree with the sentiment of this post.

 

[cybervisionx]

If he'd molest kids, he'd lie about anything.

I don't think anyone believes the drugs made him do it, even cops.

 

[7zark7]

If someone had a cage in their basement in which they locked people that they thought had done something wrong then you'd consider it wrong in all likelyness. Prison doesn't help people for the most part, so why use it? Just to torture people you disagree with? Why not actually try and make the situation better instead of reverting to childish and barbaric means of making people do what you want? Prison simply doesn't work in its current state. People who do things that are wrong need rehabilitation, not punishment, and most people released from prison return to committing crime after their release.

Most people in prison don't deserve to be there, but that's a subjective argument. Most people in prison are there for victimless crimes. Normal citizens are also not good in my opinion, I find most of them to be horrible people.

The simplicity of your post is funny. MDMA wouldn't be given to him as a drug, it would be given to him for therapy. Pedophiles don't choose to be pedophiles, humans aren't neccesarily in control of our sexual desires (gay people don't choose to be gay, people with foot fetishes don't choose to have them, pedophiles don't choose to be attracted to young people), and if he was intoxicated it's understandable (although still not acceptable) that his behaviour could get out of hand. Would you feel that the system was justified in harming you permanently (I wonder how easy it is to get a job while in the sex offenders registry) if you had taken a drug, blacked out, and woken up having done something you never would have dreamed of doing sober?

How would prison help more then intensive therapy and rehabilitation coupled with a punishment that wasn't inhumane? What good will come of this guy being locked up that couldn't come from treatment?

The bottom line is that this guy is mentally ill, and mental illness should not be punished. He didn't choose to be a pedophile, and he didn't do anything wrong until he was not his normal self. He didn't have control over this situation, so why should he be hurt over it? It's not like prison will make him stop being attracted to minors.

If no other treatment works and he committs a similar crime again then he should be sterilized. That way there is a humane solution that's guaranteed to work without denying him basic human rights. We as a society should be more compassionate and less barbaric in the way we treat people. We're all human, put yourself in his shoes.

wow. Great post - extremely well put.

 

[JohnnyPoppySeed]

If someone had a cage in their basement in which they locked people that they thought had done something wrong then you'd consider it wrong in all likelyness. Prison doesn't help people for the most part, so why use it? Just to torture people you disagree with? Why not actually try and make the situation better instead of reverting to childish and barbaric means of making people do what you want? Prison simply doesn't work in its current state. People who do things that are wrong need rehabilitation, not punishment, and most people released from prison return to committing crime after their release.

Most people in prison don't deserve to be there, but that's a subjective argument. Most people in prison are there for victimless crimes. Normal citizens are also not good in my opinion, I find most of them to be horrible people.

The simplicity of your post is funny. MDMA wouldn't be given to him as a drug, it would be given to him for therapy. Pedophiles don't choose to be pedophiles, humans aren't neccesarily in control of our sexual desires (gay people don't choose to be gay, people with foot fetishes don't choose to have them, pedophiles don't choose to be attracted to young people), and if he was intoxicated it's understandable (although still not acceptable) that his behaviour could get out of hand. Would you feel that the system was justified in harming you permanently (I wonder how easy it is to get a job while in the sex offenders registry) if you had taken a drug, blacked out, and woken up having done something you never would have dreamed of doing sober?

How would prison help more then intensive therapy and rehabilitation coupled with a punishment that wasn't inhumane? What good will come of this guy being locked up that couldn't come from treatment?

The bottom line is that this guy is mentally ill, and mental illness should not be punished. He didn't choose to be a pedophile, and he didn't do anything wrong until he was not his normal self. He didn't have control over this situation, so why should he be hurt over it? It's not like prison will make him stop being attracted to minors.

If no other treatment works and he committs a similar crime again then he should be sterilized. That way there is a humane solution that's guaranteed to work without denying him basic human rights. We as a society should be more compassionate and less barbaric in the way we treat people. We're all human, put yourself in his shoes.

Dude honestly that all sounds good and intelligent in a theoretical way but i guarantee you your view would be completely diffrent if that was your 9 year old daughter the fuker was feeling up...Your right that pedophiles are sick....and they cant help themselves...and they can't be fixed...thats what makes it even more of a reason to just exterminate them. Theres no point of DANGEROUSE "sick" people running around society fucking up perfectly normal peoples lives before there lives even started. And giving him another chance after he already proved hes capable of doing that ....is frankly the most moronic thing ive ever heard. If it was up to me the address of all sex offenders against minors should be given out to the public (they should also be branded on the forehead with a permanent stamp)so we wouldnt have to live among them without knowing who they are....and no human rights

 

[vecktor]

Dude honestly that all sounds good and intelligent in a theoretical way but i guarantee you your view would be completely diffrent if that was your 9 year old daughter the fuker was feeling up...Your right that pedophiles are sick....and they cant help themselves...and they can't be fixed...thats what makes it even more of a reason to just exterminate them. Theres no point of DANGEROUSE "sick" people running around society fucking up perfectly normal peoples lives before there lives even started. And giving him another chance after he already proved hes capable of doing that ....is frankly the most moronic thing ive ever heard. If it was up to me the address of all sex offenders against minors should be given out to the public (they should also be branded on the forehead with a permanent stamp)so we wouldnt have to live among them without knowing who they are....and no human rights

Your branding and extermination campaign should be extended to people who can't spell or string a coherent sentence together.
People who can't spell are just not worthy of life and society would be better off if the non spellers were just exterminated, non spellers just can't help it, huge amounts of money is spent on teaching them to spell but they still can't spell. Society should just give up on them and eradicate them. No human rights for the sub human non spellers.

 

[slimvictor]

Your branding and extermination campaign should be extended to people who can't spell or string a coherent sentence together.
People who can't spell are just not worthy of life and society would be better off if the non spellers were just exterminated, non spellers just can't help it, huge amounts of money is spent on teaching them to spell but they still can't spell. Society should just give up on them and eradicate them. No human rights for the sub human non spellers.

If I may be so bold, I think the point of this post is to argue that we shouldn't go around "eradicating" people that we don't agree with, or people we don't like.

If we kill the people we judge to be "sick", then according to some non-trivial segment of society all drug-users must be killed.

I agree with this sentiment.

(But I don't think that picking on grammar or spelling is really a very compassionate way to say it.)

 

[JohnnyPoppySeed]

Your branding and extermination campaign should be extended to people who can't spell or string a coherent sentence together.
People who can't spell are just not worthy of life and society would be better off if the non spellers were just exterminated, non spellers just can't help it, huge amounts of money is spent on teaching them to spell but they still can't spell. Society should just give up on them and eradicate them. No human rights for the sub human non spellers.

As long as my "non-spelling" as you put it isnt dangerouse to other members of society then its fine just as doing drugs is fine because it dosent harm anyone other then maybe the person doing them. Mentally,Emotionaly, and physically harming 9 year olds is very diffrent. Sick people are fine in my books as long as there sickness isnt dangerouse to the rest of the healthy people. People that feel diffrently should take it upon themselves to go take care of all the sociopaths and let their children play with the pedophiles because we wouldnt wanna exclude these poor sick people from having fun that would be inhumane.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

this injustice system