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Sex "addiction" on Dr. Phil

nah

family serves a purpose

it is the smallest tribe

only the poor, weak, and disenfranchised value hedonism enough to justify doing whatever they want for a fix

sex is a fix for those kinds

you are probably that kind imo

embrace that fact and leave the nebulous pontificating behind

:)
 
Noodle said:
nah

family serves a purpose

it is the smallest tribe

only the poor, weak, and disenfranchised value hedonism enough to justify doing whatever they want for a fix

sex is a fix for those kinds

you are probably that kind imo

embrace that fact and leave the nebulous pontificating behind

:)
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You don't know where I've been, it's not that simple. That's why you call me names, because you're scared of what I am. Also, regarding that, I am an expert in steel nunchaku, if you claim I am weak, meet me for a brawling, white weapon of your choice, we can have a friendly fight.

If you value power, money and strength, you too are hedonistic. You simply choose a different path to pleasure. I choose the straight path, the only true path. If you never meditated in your life, I'm wasting my time talking to you. It's like someone never tasted sugar and I waste my time explaining to him what it tastes like. There is no way to explain to the person, you just have to force a spoon full of sugar in his mouth and make him chew.
 
Ksa said:
"Addiction is the continued repetition of a behavior despite adverse consequences"

Let's define what are the adverse consequences of such sexual addiction, let's say, through masturbation, so smart people don't pick on us with STDs:

- you cannot buy the golden iPhone of superior quality because you are less productive and have to settle for the colored one.
- you might lose interest in watching TV and are no longer exposed to adds, commercials and brainwashing.
- you might reject the basic assumptions of civilization, especially the importance of material possessions.
- you might stop buying crap you don't need and collapse the economy further.
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What if watching tv shows, buying useles gadget and a new car every other year makes me happier than reaching (at least) an orgasm a day? Would I be entitled to my opinion and preferences, or would you think forever I'm not free and don't really know myself?
 
desertshore said:
What if watching tv shows, buying useles gadget and a new car every other year makes me happier than reaching (at least) an orgasm a day? Would I be entitled to my opinion and preferences, or would you think forever I'm not free and don't really know myself?
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It's why people become addicted to drugs isn't it? They can't imagine that there's something greater then playing a video-game, shopping or driving a car, and they are so well impressed that they fixate on that drug. If one trully knows himself, how can a drug experience take him by surprise? How can it serve as a substitute to everything he knows?

When you meditate and reach the peak of bliss, drugs only disturb you from that peace, they deviate you around it, make it harder to focus. But to someone working 16 hours a day in a bank, stressed and worked out, drugs are a great experience. However if you experience what I'm talking about, drugs can only be a lesser experience.
 
Ksa said:
"Addiction is the continued repetition of a behavior despite adverse consequences"
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I don't necessarily agree with this definition of addiction. I believe that a person can be addicted to a substance or a behavior without suffering very many, if any, adverse consequences.

I believe more in the very elementary definition of addiction, which is to say that I believe in the word's actual meaning, to devote one's way of life to someone or something. If a substance or a behavior permeates your every waking thought, and if a substance or a behavior tends to come before all else, then you are addicted to that substance or that behavior. In this way, "sex addiction" is a very real thing.

I like you, Ksa, and I like reading your posts; they really make me think, and I mean that sincerely -- no sarcasm. I happen to disagree with you, but I still enjoy reading your posts nonetheless.

I happen to believe that we are a confused species, a species that wants to be monogamous but is always sort of looking around for something else. Interestingly enough, they've found that mammals with larger-sized testicles tend to mate with many different partners, but mammals with smaller-sized testicles tend to be monogamous; human men have average-sized testicles, which could help to explain our monogamous intentions but polygamous behavior. There have been a lot of different studies on this, actually. I haven't looked too much into it, but what I've read is real interesting stuff.
 
verso said:
I don't necessarily agree with this definition of addiction. I believe that a person can be addicted to a substance or a behavior without suffering very many, if any, adverse consequences.

I believe more in the very elementary definition of addiction, which is to say that I believe in the word's actual meaning, to devote one's way of life to someone or something. If a substance or a behavior permeates your every waking thought, and if a substance or a behavior tends to come before all else, then you are addicted to that substance or that behavior. In this way, "sex addiction" is a very real thing.

I like you, Ksa, and I like reading your posts; they really make me think, and I mean that sincerely -- no sarcasm. I happen to disagree with you, but I still enjoy reading your posts nonetheless.

I happen to believe that we are a confused species, a species that wants to be monogamous but is always sort of looking around for something else. Interestingly enough, they've found that mammals with larger-sized testicles tend to mate with many different partners, but mammals with smaller-sized testicles tend to be monogamous; human men have average-sized testicles, which could help to explain our monogamous intentions but polygamous behavior. There have been a lot of different studies on this, actually. I haven't looked too much into it, but what I've read is real interesting stuff.
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Good thinking is good enough :D

I get what you mean with addiction. When society fabricates a word to describe the lack of productivity, it's very hard. The definition contains interpolation, fabrication, concoction, it contains innovation :)

The truth is there's no such thing as addiction. There is physical dependence where if you consume opioids for a long period of time when you stop you go less then normal, or if you consume amphetamines for a long time, when you stop, you go less normal. The definition of addiction they try to come up with will never work, not today not tomorrow not in a million years. Human behavior of seeking chemical reward cannot be described by a bad word, a pejorative word, a word that brings shame. It goes against the human nature.

Any word that describes the human reward system shamefully, badly, pejoratively, is incomplete, and it contains fabrication, concoction, innovation. It's not a self-standing word. The definition changes from day to day to suit people's perception. Like, if in the future, many drugs become accepted and euphoria pills are even medicated for stress, the definition changes! It cannot portray the people as bad people. Now it can because it's a minority but in the future, innovation to the word will be required again. In the 1950s,
 
In the 1950's addict was synonym of rapist, a man violating women, or dope fiend, an animal without control, a raged dog. Adds on TV to increase public awareness said that "a stitch on him will save 9 on you" it encouraged violence against addicts, discrimination, persecution.

Today the definition has changed, because the public perception has changed, but they refuse to see the truth because they are not there yet in terms of society. First of all money has to collapse. Earning money is not a way of life, it's a way to waste life. Once the money is gone, every citizen will benefit from life sustaining technology equally, and will have time for other things, like meditation etc.

Imagine we can master fusion and have unlimited amounts of energy to the general population, what are we going to do? Work for money while the stock holders get 100s of billions. Not really. You decommission the stock holders, make the technology available to the general population so no one has to work to earn a warm home and air conditioning in the summer.

If you pay close attention, what they refer to as "adverse consequences" it's not adverse to the addict, it's adverse to society, and I have proven this in many other posts. Sure there are black sheep of the community who are misguided and who use drugs in a harmful way, but the media picks up on these black sheep and portrays them as though they were model drug users, failing to recognize that society misguided these people in the first place and not other addicts.

Then they send the addict to jail and in jail, you know, maybe the addict only smoked weed a few times here and there, but in jail, he meets 10s of REAL addicts who teach him how to get the "real stuff". So when he comes out of jail, the level of drug use increases 10 fold, 100 fold!

The truth stays the truth, if it is truth. 2+2 = 4 now, it equals to 4 tomorrow and it equals to 4 in a billion years. You cannot interpolate, you cannot fabricate, you cannot innovate. If the definition of addiction changes from day to day and contains fabrication, interpolation and innovation, it was not the truth in the past, it is not the truth now and it will never be the truth weather it is in 10 or 100 billion years, unless the word is removed and it is admitted it was not part of reality.
 
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Ksa said:
If you pay close attention, what they refer to as "adverse consequences" it's not adverse to the addict, it's adverse to society, and I have proven this in many other posts. Sure there are black sheep of the community who are misguided and who use drugs in a harmful way, but the media picks up on these black sheep and portrays them as though they were model drug users, failing to recognize that society misguided these people in the first place and not other addicts.
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I've always found it funny that the consequences are, for the most part, artificially imposed; and while there are those addicts who severely neglect their relationships with friends and family, neglect their responsibilities and such, well, the more universal consequences we, as a society, impose upon ourselves -- jail, for example, losing one's job (provided they were not neglecting their work in any way)...

I consider myself to be a more functional addict in that I can maintain my relationships, maintain my job, and fulfill my responsibilities but, nevertheless, I have to dodge the police and avoid these consequences that would be imposed upon me were I ever to get caught.
 
verso said:
I've always found it funny that the consequences are, for the most part, artificially imposed; and while there are those addicts who severely neglect their relationships with friends and family, neglect their responsibilities and such, well, the more universal consequences we, as a society, impose upon ourselves -- jail, for example, losing one's job (provided they were not neglecting their work in any way)...

I consider myself to be a more functional addict in that I can maintain my relationships, maintain my job, and fulfill my responsibilities but, nevertheless, I have to dodge the police and avoid these consequences that would be imposed upon me were I ever to get caught.
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10/10
 
the consequences of sexual addiction do affect all relationships in one's life

practicing addicts just can't know any better

that is why they spend a lot of time justifying their behaviors! and dismissing the pain others feel and suffer because of the addict's behavior

it is what it is

just like the drive to copulate for the sake of procreation
 
Noodle said:
the consequences of sexual addiction do affect all relationships in one's life

practicing addicts just can't know any better

that is why they spend a lot of time justifying their behaviors! and dismissing the pain others feel and suffer because of the addict's behavior

it is what it is

just like the drive to copulate for the sake of procreation
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You are a family addict...you don't know any better, why do you keep justifying your family oriented behavior? Family can be an addiction, how else do you explain that when a family member dies, the other members experience the greatest withdrawal symptoms of all? You feel sorry for sex addicts because they cannot know any better, but can you? You can't even make it 10 yards from your home without your wife asking you where you go, and in the evening, when you ejaculate less, she will wonder where the rest went.

When there was the splitting of the church, the Pope excommunicated the Patriarch and the Patriarch excommunicated the Pope. Pope said you don't know any better and so did the Patriarch. It's your problem isn't it? You cannot live and let live. Why you have to blame someone say his behavior is wrong. His behavior works for him let the person be.

Death is a rejoicing, it's the continuation of life, it should not be a source of sadness. Yet you people are devastated by it because:

- You are addicted to each-other and can barely live without one another.
- Death reminds you you lived nothing so far, and this terrifies you.

If you lived a fulfilled life, why fear death? You are all addicts! You just don't have a needle in your arm.
 
do you know why it feels good to come inside a woman?

because our reward system is set up that way; procreation is the reason sex exists

sex is about the survival of our species

families exist to further that end

you can worship whatever man made construct of GOD you wish! but, at the end of the day you are just setting up a bunch of smoke and mirrors to justify your own personal opinions

of course, the greater question might be posed:

what is reality?

:)
 
One thing thats interesting about the reward system is that we are preprogrammed to get rewarded for meditation and prayer.. Kinda interesting right.. that prayer or meditation is considered so essential to the continuation of the human race that it comes with a pre designed dopamine reward.
 
indeed

to believe in a god is to worship a part of yourself ;)

because GOD is in each one of us

I don't need to quote a book to know that is a truth

science is well on it's way to confirming that
 
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