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Scientists: Shroud of Turin is REAL

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Radiation from an earthquake may be responsible for the mysterious Turin Shroud image many believe to be a depiction of Jesus Christ, scientists claim.

An Italian team at the Politecnico di Torino, a well respected Italian University, claims the powerful magnitude 8.2 earthquake, which occurred in Old Jerusalem in the year 33 AD, would have been strong enough to release neutron particles from crushed rock.

The flood of neutrons may have imprinted an X-ray-like image onto the linen burial cloth by reacting with nitrogen nuclei, say the researchers.


n addition, the radiation emissions would have increased the level of carbon-14 isotopes - atomic strains of carbon - in the Shroud.

According to the scientists, this may well have confused carbon dating tests conducted in 1988 which suggested the cloth was only 728 years old, and therefore likely to be a forgery.


'We believe it is possible that neutron emissions by earthquakes could have induced the image formation on the Shroud's linen fibres, through thermal neutron capture on nitrogen nuclei, and could also have caused a wrong radiocarbon dating,' said Professor Alberto Carpinteri, from the Politecnico di Torino.

The new theory is published in the journal Meccanica.

Other scientists have previously suggested that neutron radiation may have been responsible for the ghostly image of a crucified man with his arms crossed.

However, no plausible explanation has been offered for the source of the radiation.

Some have proposed that it came from the body itself, or was generated by an event inside the tomb, pointing to a divine origin linked to the resurrection.

Neutron radiation is usually generated by nuclear fusion or fission, and may be produced by nuclear reactors or particle accelerators.

Prof Carpinteri's team believes earthquake-induced high pressure waves in the Earth's crust may be an overlooked natural source.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...lem-cause-Shroud-Turin-dated-incorrectly.html


 
Daily Fail!

Here's a rebuttal of this.

Somehow I doubt that earthquakes really release significant enough neutron flux to cause that massive of a shift in C14 dating. Otherwise the Pacific coast of the Americas would be a neutron-irradiated wasteland.
 
The shroud is either authentic or the most eloborate hoax in history. Period.

It has baffled scientist for decades.
We get great detail from negative images.
The distance information allows for a 3d image that shows remarakable detail.

Some scientist said it wasnt blood on the shroud, we now know there is in fact blood on the shroud. Moreover, it is has been identified as male an a rare type--AB positive.

No one can say how the image formed.
Everyone agrees it wasnt made by paint, dyes, inks, or chalks or any pigaments for that matter. And no outline was traced, as well as no brush marks.
Thats why the OP's post is getting attention.
The image is scorch like but not made by fire.
The "problem" is the image is purely in the surrface layer, and only in the top two microfibers. No artist can reproduce it or exlpain how an artist of ancient times could.
You could take a razor blade and scrape the images off. Radiation of some sort seems to be only plausible answer.An intense burst of light would do the trick.
Another stunning thing is the detailed marks of an obvious crucifixion.
The back image show over 120 wounds that are consistant with a flogging. The wounds on the front are identical to those described in bible- ie nail marks, side wound, head wounds.
Even the swelling of one side of the face is visible.
It really is fascinating no matter if you believe it belonged to Jesus or not. The only real evidence against the shroud is the carbon dating done on it. But I dont think anyone would be willing to stake their life on carbon dating. If your "clock" or calibrarion is off, your screwed.
Like I said, interesting to check out.

I dont need to know whether shroud is connected to Jesus to know he existed and still exists

But if it helps others picture his crucifiction,
it serves its purpose real or not.
 
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Methamaniac said:
The shroud is either authentic or the most eloborate hoax in history. Period.

I should stop you there, because I can already think some waymore elaborate hoaxes. ;)

Another stunning thing is the detailed marks of an obvious crucifixion.
The back image show over 120 wounds that are consistant with a flogging. The wounds on the front are identical to those described in bible- ie nail marks, side wound, head wounds.

As a source of information, the bible was available to artists of the 12th/13th century too. Details of Jesus' death are not new by any means.

I agree that this is interesting and puzzling. However, its mysteriousness doesn't make it miraculous, no more then the Egyptian pyramids or Stonehenge are.
 
I should stop you there, because I can already think some waymore elaborate hoaxes

What, nebreska man? pilthdown man? ?

No but seriously, it would be hoax of all hoaxes.
They would have had to try to make image without (purposely) using pigments. AND they would have
had to use real blood too.
Got any ideas of how to do that?
Ps. Doesnt have to be miraculous,
but that doesnt mean it isnt.
Like I said if it brings attention to Jesus,
A ok with me.
Thats miraculous enough.
 
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^3D printer.

Yeah, that's probably what they used.?
Im pretty sure GE or Siemens was around then.

Hey, maybe it spontaneously formed itself.
You know, like DNA and Proteins that produce a
3-D image.
See, there's always a scientific explanation.
 
I don't think anyone contests that there's an image in blood on the shroud, the problem is radiodating of various isotopes suggest it was made probably 750 years after Christ was reported to be wandering around..

You can get a lot of mileage out of faked religious artifacts if people haven't invented ways to autheticate them :P
 
I dont know, carbon dating has been showed inaccurate plenty of times. Its not the math, its accounting for all the unknown variables that may or may not be present. Lots of things can effect carbon dating.
But I digress, I would be willing to bet if I showed some people the images of Japenese "shadows" burnt into a wall, that many people not understanding light/ radiation would say it was a drawing/hoax. Especially if they had no knowledge of what an atomic bomb actually does.
I say this because if you belive it was done by medieval hoaxsters, you better think what they had available to make images.
The blood on the shroud didnt cause the image.
We know this for a fact. The blood and the image are seperate. Something had to "scorch" the image on the shroud. It would take a burst of heat/light/radiation to "vaporize" those images on the shroud imo.
And that would give us the "X-ray"
we observe, and explain why it is 3 dementionally encoded.
Whether you believe it is connected with Jesus or not, the shroud is not easily explained away.
 
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These debates over authenticity are puerile. What matters is what the shroud represents to believers. I don't understand why everything must be proven or disproven. Just leave it alone.
 
But for many, that is just not enough. It seems odd that requiring evidence from those making positive claims is puerile.

Thing is, requiring evidence when none exists is quite awkward for claimants, so this requirement is labelled unreasonable.
 
^ I know, but even people with zero scientific training can ask the simple question, "How does the Church knows this shroud really touched Jesus?"

We'll never know the real answer, anymore than we'll know if Jesus was even real. It's a matter of faith.
 
If there's a natural explanation (earthquake) then it doesn't really prove anything about Jesus' supernaturality even if real.

But needing "proof" is nothing but a lack of faith. Worshiping a shroud is idolatry.

Very interesting piece of cloth nevertheless.
 
yeshua wasn't the only bloke to have ever been crucified, btw. if the image truly came from a death shroud, it could have been anyone.
 
^^^
Certainly could.
But that doesnt explain the image.
This is the whole controversy.
Its unexplainable.
 
^
At least you concede its unexplainable.
Or rather you understand the image.
A lot of people dont pay much attention and think the image on shroud was made from blood or something simple like that.
Its puzzling.
 
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