Opioids Scared to take these.

[tricomb]

You'd be surprised just how long most prescribed drugs will stay good for, especially the narcotic pain-relievers which are incredibly stable.

The ones that don't stay good for very long are more the gels, liquids, the "suspended" mixtures, anti-biotics and whatever else like the benzaclin and whatever.

In my experience, morphine in particular keeps good for a damn long time provided it's stored properly in the bottle.

 

[kokaino]

tricomb is absolutely right. Morphine was isolated from the poppy in 1804 and since then no painkiller has proven itself superior to morphine, whether taken orally or by injection (IM/IV/SC). Some are as effective (especially its immediate family like nicomorphine, dipropanoylmorphine, etc), many are less effective (codeine, hydrocodone, oxycodone, hydromorphone) but none are ever more effective. It is over 200 years old and it is still one of the most widely prescribed powerful narcotics in the world. That there says a lot of just how valuable of a drug it is. Heroin, which is a morphine prodrug and simply a faster acting form of morphine is the only drug that compares to it and that is only because it is a salt of morphine. Its real name is "morphine diacetate" or "diacetylmorphine".

 

[tricomb]

^ Good posting. Seriously, it's been around in isolated form for 208 years and been used in it's raw opium form for thousands and thousands of years, nothing else can beat that or can really compete on a similar plane of analgesia.

 

[kokaino]

Seriously man I don't know of any drug that's 208 years old and is still widely used for both therapeutic and recreational purposes, save for perhaps marijuana (but that is just a recreational thing).

Morphine is just on a level of its own, it's like the godfather of the opioids. Nothing else compares to it. It's used for all kinds of severe pains and it always works. It's also used for those that are dying (palliative care) so that they stay comfortable, happy and pain-free before they pass on. Usually it's mixed with a benzo (usually lorazepam or diazepam) in palliative care.

 

[mrflowers00]

for most morphine is superior but for me my dad and my g pa oxycodone and hydromorphone work much much better

 

[tricomb]

Well cannabis has been used medicinally for just as long, but as I said it can't really be compared with morphine on equal ground, hah.

 

[Brian242]

I had Scoliosis correction surgery last year and I can say that Cannabis helped my pain more than 2mg Dilaudid did. Everyone's different lol

 

[kokaino]

Hydromorphone (Dilaudid) is really an overrated narcotic. It's only nice for drug abusers for the rush, but it doesn't even provide a high after the rush. As for pain relief, it has such a bad oral BA that it I think 800 mg ibuprofen has provided me with better pain relief than even 8 mg of oral Dilaudid. I'm serious about that too. Hydromorphone should be kept for hospital use through the IV route, IMO. The same goes with oxymorphone, which is even worse. If I was in serious pain and I had to choose between hydrocodone or hydromorphone, I'd choose hydrocodone hands down. At least I know when I take the hydrocodone that I will be getting pain relief and fast too.

 

[tricomb]

It's the crack of opioids!

Yeah I really prefer a good oral BA. Since I don't IV, I don't really use hydromorphone much, as a pain killer it is really not what is best suited for my needs. I would need 8 x 8mg per day... so yeah no thanks.

Oxymorphone was a good drug until the new formulations ruined it, but I get what your saying about how people had to tamper with them (snort) to get desirable effects, both addicts and pain patients alike. A drug with 10-20% oral BA is shitty.

I wish they had better forms of hydrocodone. I'd enjoy a HydroContin as long as it didn't have one of these ludicrous Tamper Resistant Formulations. Or some Hydrocodone IR (HydroSTAT? lol) 15mg and 30mgs.

I'm just so sick of Oxycodone being given all this favoritism.