NSA is above the Constitution? I don't think that it is. I'm not a law professor but isn't the Constitution what the entire USA is based upon? There's nothing in the Constitution that says "...except for the NSA" (such as an amendment) Is this information about the NSA being above the Constitution from an actual legal/gov't source or is it something you heard?
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Scared of drug talk on the phone?
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Plague Bearer
Bluelighter
Brandon, you poor niave fool. If you think that laws or the Constitution would stop a government organisation for one second you're very much mistaken.
Petersko
Bluelighter
Bunt cake is right, Diesel - the idea that they have to tell you the phone is tapped is about as right as the notion that an undercover has to admit to being a cop if asked.
I wouldn't go so far as to call myself naive, but I do have a general idea of how I think people should behave. It just seems to me that if there's this organization violating our rights something would've been said/done about it. I've heard much about violations of rights by the NSA and other gov't organizations, but it seems like little is done about it. Maybe it's just my wishful thinking that people would want to get rid of things that oppress them.
EternalX- I wish that were the case, but it is not.
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The "cop must identify him/herself" thing is amongst the numerous drug myths that plague us. What would the point of undercover be if they had to identify themselves?
[This message has been edited by descend (edited 09 November 2001).]
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The "cop must identify him/herself" thing is amongst the numerous drug myths that plague us. What would the point of undercover be if they had to identify themselves?
[This message has been edited by descend (edited 09 November 2001).]
" An undercover office must tell you that he is a police officer is asked, if he doesn’t, he can face big trouble."
Entrapment is luring someone into performing a previously or otherwise uncontemplated illegal act. If you are selling someone drugs and you ask them if they are a cop and they say "no". You are still committing a felonious act regardless of how honest the officer is.
Law enforcement agents are permitted to use a variety of methods to afford an opportunity to a defendant to commit an offense, including the use of undercover agents, furnishing of funds for the purchase of controlled substances, the use of informers and the adoption of false identities.
There is absolutely no law that says cops have to tell the truth. They lie ALL the time in interrogations, etc. They can't lie in court, but they can lie in the line of duty.
Just because they may not be able to use the taped telephone conversation in court as evidence doesn't mean they can't do it. They just might not be able to use it. It still might give them the notion that you should be to checked out.
Jeeze don’t you guys watch Law and Order? Hehehehehehehehehehe……
Entrapment is luring someone into performing a previously or otherwise uncontemplated illegal act. If you are selling someone drugs and you ask them if they are a cop and they say "no". You are still committing a felonious act regardless of how honest the officer is.
Law enforcement agents are permitted to use a variety of methods to afford an opportunity to a defendant to commit an offense, including the use of undercover agents, furnishing of funds for the purchase of controlled substances, the use of informers and the adoption of false identities.
There is absolutely no law that says cops have to tell the truth. They lie ALL the time in interrogations, etc. They can't lie in court, but they can lie in the line of duty.
Just because they may not be able to use the taped telephone conversation in court as evidence doesn't mean they can't do it. They just might not be able to use it. It still might give them the notion that you should be to checked out.
Jeeze don’t you guys watch Law and Order? Hehehehehehehehehehe……
K9Unit
Bluelighter
If an undercover cop comes up to you and asks "yo you got any drugs to sell me man" and you ask him if hes a cop, then yeah he has to answer truthfully, if you come up to an undercover cop and go "yo you wanna buy some drugs, but only if your not a cop" then he can arrest you right there, and bust you for intent to sell, or he can play along with your game, and bust with possesion, Conspicrazy to disribute, all a bunch of other bullshit. Entrapment is a game cops play every day, alot of drug busts would not of happened if they just asked the cops if they were actualy cops.
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PhreeX
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NO! God damnit, listen people... NEVER, EVER, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE MUST A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER IDENTIFY HIMSELF AS A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER! ... a friend of mine that is a DEA agent told me stories about how he would sit on the stand and make it a point to testify as to how the defendant would ask "are you a cop" and he would answer "no, of course not" .. it had nothing to do with the case but he loved to say it..
As for phone taps - in 1999 there were less then 1700 phone taps authorized in the US - do you think they were for petty dealers slinging a few hundred pills? (I don't know what the stats for 2000 are)
I am closing this because it seems to have drifted from drugs to bullshit myths about phone taps
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"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is: 'What are they in a position to do about it?'" (William S. Burroughs)
As for phone taps - in 1999 there were less then 1700 phone taps authorized in the US - do you think they were for petty dealers slinging a few hundred pills? (I don't know what the stats for 2000 are)
I am closing this because it seems to have drifted from drugs to bullshit myths about phone taps
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"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is: 'What are they in a position to do about it?'" (William S. Burroughs)