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say no to piperazine

It's easier for people to deal real mdma long term compared to pipes but ignorance is at an all time high for kids these days and it will take some time to gain intellegence but it will happen slowly. If you're lucky enough to get real rolls then you should inform people as much as you can to not support the pipers!
 
jaguar said:
i think it would be great if we could get the message across to cut the amount of piperazine being sold as mdma no wonder clubbbing and raves have gone down hill these days mdma is slowly bouncing back i just wish there was more we could do about it what does every 1 else think?
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it would also be great if all the weed growers in the world were straight professional. and great if all the dealers quit cutting their coke. get that message across.

this thread=lulz
 
RedRum OG said:
it would also be great if all the weed growers in the world were straight professional. and great if all the dealers quit cutting their coke. get that message across.

this thread=lulz
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Pure Truth. I'm really tired of all the indignation. This was cool a year or 2 ago when the e game really finally shit the big one. I use to post in e discussion frequently and coming back its full of all the same shit. This forum is the only one I see where people are astonished to find out how dirty of a business their drug of choice is. The people who make hundreds of thousands of pills don't give a rats ass about you. Why should they? The people at the top of the game don't usually have much of a alternative career and risk insane legal risks bringing you pills.

Blaming the people who buy the pills is slightly more sane then blaming the dealers( god I hate people who think they are entitled to not be ripped off like everyone else buying illegal shit) and at least it seems like most people understandably blame people buying crap shit. Still pretty tired sorry to say.

As a former roller I'm sorry to say the ecstasy community is generally the least informed. I even had a drug kit but I no longer even feel comfortable after I use it. Got some reported decent positive testing pills a while back. Then got them back and tested them myself. So the results are purple/black and a robadobe red? MDA right? Awesome thats arguably my favorite substance. So after dropping I'm feeling so incredibly conflicted. Feeling the music hard and want to sit still and can't. Oh wait I also want to run at full speed down the road? Don't want to sit still and don't want to move, sweet. Shit was stuffed with bzp, which by the way is incredibly similar to speed, its the mcpp thats usually in pipes that causes the shitty trippy feeling. I fucking hate speed. I end up tweaking my balls off playing a fucking video game online while peaking( which is NOT something i normally do while rolling, just felt like I had to do something or I would just explode). Also not even really enough MDA in them, but I couldn't take anymore because some chemist who felt adventurous decided to mix 2 drugs that never should have been together.

Unlike meth and speed bzp has no reaction on any testers. Sometimes a fizzing but not always, especially when it only partly contains a pipe. This basically sums up the situation at hand now. I've had my brand new test kit come back with reactions that really make no sense with various regents turning strange colors I haven't seen in the past 10 years. A massive amount of pills are now being produced with enough mdma to fool testers, which is something I said was going to happen a year and a half ago, at the time apparently not many people even thought this was going to happen. In the thread way back when I was probaly the first person to bring up the topic of mixed pills on this forum. I was told I was silly and that it was so rare. Like its not common sense that it was going to happen.

Just get over it and start playing the game. Accept reality, wait around till you find something really good and buy as many as you think you'll need and hold on to them and use them responsibly. Time to realize the fact that your e pills are coming down and being sold by the same people who are selling coke, crack, and heroin. Johnnie the retard child is still gonna buy pipes cuz he wants to get fucked up whether you want him to or not. This whole drug culture is dominated by young buyers who are incredibly stupid.

Save up all the money you can and when the good shit comes round( because it does eventually if you know the people) and buy enough to last. I've waited and actually spent not that much money( since I roll at least 2 months apart now) on almost a years worth of pills. Its probaly a blessing in disguise for alot of people anyway. I've known people who would have e raped their brains dry if they could get their hands on good shit all the time lol. I wish the e clock would rewind to 1995-200 too but I'm people who do acid wish the acid was like it was in 1970. Time to get up and move on. The combinations I'm seeing now is a whole new of shit compared to the barts and other pipes from back then. The top level dudes have evolved their pill chemistry skills to whole new levels from just making old school pipes.
 
^Have you seen the Netherlands section of pillreports recently? I'd say they're right back in 1995-2000, if not better. Think they had quite a downturn too, so it's not impossible for things to improve. Course they have test centers that can really drill down on the pills' contents, so that's a bit of a swift kick in the ass for dealers. That may be the only way we'd ever get things back to those levels too.
 
jaguar said:
SAY NO TO PIPS!!!!!!!!!!!!! if people would wise up with what there buyin and what there actually taking the mdma supply will surely pick up due to demand as less piperazine pills will be pushed in every town on every street and in every club
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i don't think the end users saying no will do much, because there's always someone else who'll buy them. or people like me who get fucked up then buy random pills cos i'm too mashed to exercise proper judgement. the dealers need to complain, not even the street level dealers cos they're too replaceable, the dealers they buy from. but as already pointed out, these guys don't give a shit about anything but money.
 
AMTDan said:
Blaming the people who buy the pills is slightly more sane then blaming the dealers( god I hate people who think they are entitled to not be ripped off like everyone else buying illegal shit) and at least it seems like most people understandably blame people buying crap shit. Still pretty tired sorry to say.
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Selling one thing as something that you know is something else is plain wrong. It, however, is not plain wrong to ingest ANYTHING. People should have a right to do what they want to themselves. People should NOT have the right to cause harm through lying.

People that sell drugs as 1 thing knowing that they're another should be done for assault.
 
chinup said:
i don't think the end users saying no will do much, because there's always someone else who'll buy them. or people like me who get fucked up then buy random pills cos i'm too mashed to exercise proper judgement. the dealers need to complain, not even the street level dealers cos they're too replaceable, the dealers they buy from. but as already pointed out, these guys don't give a shit about anything but money.
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You never heard of supply and demand?
 
rickolasnice said:
Selling one thing as something that you know is something else is plain wrong. It, however, is not plain wrong to ingest ANYTHING. People should have a right to do what they want to themselves. People should NOT have the right to cause harm through lying.

People that sell drugs as 1 thing knowing that they're another should be done for assault.
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First of all, 90% of the people that sell crap have as much knowledge of whats in them as the people taking them, which isn't saying very much. Probaly at least half the people who sell them don't even take them.

I think people should have the right to put whatever they want in them( kind of sounds dirty). But its not someone else's job. Alot of people selling drugs have no other income. Not saying its right to sell bullshit to people, I wouldn't. But if you expect someone to go hungry or not keep the lights on because they got a shitty batch of drugs then welcome to reality. Not selling something people will buy its pretty unrealistic. If someone was selling bad heroin or some bullshit then all their customers are gone and bam out of busiiness. No serious H dealer is gonna sell bs not because they give a shit about you but because while ripping off someone might get some quick money, if they're trying to make a living doing it dosen't make financial sense.

And no offense but what you think should be your rights and what are your rights are quite different. You don't have a right to clean drugs from some dude risking his freedom selling you illegal shit. Plus piperazine is unpleasent but otherwise not very likely to kill you. It will ruin your night( and should make you feel stupid for buying it) but your going to wake up in the morning. For fucks sake people go back and buy the same shit again. Wouldn't you be confused as a dealer if you didn't take any pills and people came back and bought your shit?.

If you feel like you deserve clean mdma make some yourself. If you can't make it yourself you don't have a right to clean shit on demand. Understand you have to play detective yourself and test your own shit and realize the world revolves around the sun everyday whether you eat pipes or mdma.

Congratulations e buyers, you are now part of the wonderful world of buying shit that is not FDA regulated, pressed into pills so its hard as fuck to tell whats in it, and a risk to everyone involved in the making, distributing, and buying process. Next time someone I know goes to the hood to score some H or something I'll let him know to be rightfully indignant and talk about his rights to the next dealer that rips him off, or runs away with his cash.

Your pills are probaly coming from far away through gangs, cartels and other unsavory people. Usually same people who sell crack, coke, meth and heroin are selling these pills to people that sell them to you. The sooner this wah wah shit stops the better. Spread the word if you like to people who don't know better and man up and realize your in charge of you and handle your shit like someone who is playing the drug game. To the dealers etards are the same as crackheads junkies and anyone else who comes to buy shit. Your not special.

Just today someone told me they were going to go make a pretty big e buy and asked me if I wanted any. I told them no thanks and to watch themselves because there is so much crap around. His response was that of course he was fine he didn't know what press the pills are but they were triple and quadruple stacks. I just loled in my head and hung up. I would have preached to him before but honestly it used too much of my mental energy. The stack thing is so obviously stupid in so many ways that there is no way I even care if such a moron gets whatever. He's not interested in looking out for himself.

Luckily I don't expect a dealer to be my daddy and watch out for me even though i dont give a fuck. The e pill game is the grimiest because it has the most retards buying. If you want clean shit play the game safe or make your own. I seriously think ecstasy users( there's exceptions) are 5 year olds who are trying to whine all the bad drugs away. Epic levels of whine.
 
"NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" xD -.- Ive gotten so many pipes I feel like a need to clean out my damn pipes >.> testing kits ftw!
 
I was recently piped for the first time but the pills had some mdma inthem as well. I liked them until I learned they were shit.
 
I just wrote a little story on the thread that says explain your OD on ecstasy. But anyway FUCK PIPES, they trick you in the beginning making you feel alright as if your kinda rolling. But a few hours later nasty nasty side effects kick in making you think your going to die. If you think your pills have pipes or are half pipe DO NOT take them, they will only lead to a terrible bad night. Throw away any pills you think have unsuspected contents.
 
No I didn't test them but they look exactly like these ones and they come from the same area. The couple times I took them I didn't sleep. And one of the nights I took two and a half..nothing too crazy for me..but after my first one,I took the rest in halves. Prolly like a half hour apart each how I was constantly gettin hit. I felt so crazy. Like I rollin complete balls but everything seemed different in my point of u. Like I felt sort of above everything when I was standing. It chilled out after like 10 mins. Wierd
 
Last time I rolled was on 9/20/10...I had one pill saved from about 2 yrs ago, white with G on one side and W on the other. I didn't think it would work because I thought they go bad, but man I was wrong! I bit the pill in half and it has a bittery taste, like I know something was definately still in there. When I first got them and good friend spent the night w/ his buddies and they dropped 5 or 6 each and he assured me they were strong, clean and very long lasting.. The first night I took one, things went terribly wrong...I was home w/ the wife and I waited til the baby fell asleep, but about 2 hrs after I dropped, the baby woke up and cried and screamed for hours...it was horrible. I didn't have a bad trip, but I didn't have fun either.
I just put the 2 pills I had left away in a hidden spot.

I gave my friend one about a year later and he swears to me that it didn't work at all for him, he didn't feel anything. So I assumed they were no good. Fast foward to the night of 9/20/10
On an impulse, I just decided to eat it that night. Kids were sleeping soundly, wife went to bed and I rolled by myself and had a great time....fell deep into music and my thoughts..etc etc.

My question is, how would I know if I had a pipe or not? I've never even heard of such a thing. That pill lasted a long long time, I dropped at 9:30pm..at 6AM I was still rolling pretty good. I had only slept for 3 hrs that night..like from 3am-6am and throughout that whole next day I had the feeling in my body. Let me also add, I am prescribed opiates for pain. After I took my pill, I didn't take any opiates for 12 hrs!!! Normally I woulda been jumping outta my skin by then.

It wouldn't be cost effective for me to buy a testing kit, because I do not plan on rolling again for a long time. I am getting a bit too old for it, but I would like to every once in a while..like 1 or 2 times per year..maybe less. I would just like to know what to look out for and if I did take one of those pipes..what would I feel? Sorry for the long drawn out post.

Edit-come to think of it, my friend called them GW's, but I think it may have had only a capital G on one side, but def was white.

Also, I have a question. When you use a testing kit, do you waste one pill testing it? Like how does the process of testing a pill work?
 
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Did the pill perhaps have a G on one side and a picture of a Lady on the other? Sounds like what you had was a white G Lady as they're called...you lucky bastard! :-)

They're MDA, which lasts longer than MDMA. Both MDMA and MDA are considered ecstasy. I had one of these pills after not rolling for like six months before they disappeared from my area and it lasted like 5 hours, which is unheard of for me. A pill usually only lasts me like 2 hours.

Anyway, pills don't go bad, so don't worry about that. Regarding pipes, if the pills you take are straight pipes, you would know because you wouldn't be rolling. When it first hit, it might feel like you are at the start of a roll, but rather than progressing into a roll, it will progress into a sort of trippy tired but can't sleep sort of state with hot and cold flashes. If anything, it will feel like a very disappointing roll.

If the pills are a pipe/e combo, then you may have trouble being able to tell the pipe is in there because there's enough e to make you roll. If your tolerance was higher, it would be more obvious because all you'd feel would be the pipe. I can always tell a pipe becuase the few days after all I want to do is sleep.

My suggestion would be to get a testing kit. It is worth the money because there's so much garbage out there...way more so than when you got the G Ladys. Man, did I used to be spoiled. I actually got sick of the original G Ladys and now I'd give my left nut for one of them. Anyway, to answer your question, you only need a tiny fraction of a pill to test it. You just scrape a very small amount of the pill off into 4 separate piles, drop each of the reagents onto the powder and watch to see what color change occurs. Instructions are included...BTW.
 
wow..thanks for the info. Sounds easy enough to test a pill. I searched through pill reports and found the pill..I'm almost positive. These had double ladys on the back, so it actually looked more like a W, that's why my buddy just told me they were GW's. These must have had mdma or mda or whatever, because I was definitely rolling...I did have hot and cold flashes I think, I'd be sweating my ass off one minute..rollin ballz listening to music..then I'd go outside for a cig and be freezing my ass off...lol Also, had a bit of trouble sleeping...I think cause I felt so good and my mind was goin..etc etc..I took a 5mg valium..didn't help..so after an hour, I took a .025 xanax and finally that helped me sleep for like 3 hrs. After I woke, I was still feeling it pretty good..once I finally came down enough to have my mind right, there was a left over feeling in my body throughout the day..I didn't feel shitty or anything, but I also had an oc and a couple of roxi's in me...IDK, overall..It was a good experience..I have had stronger pills in the past though, years ago!
 
Glad I could be of help. You will get hot and cold on e, especially if you're going in and outside. Basically, the cold tends to slow or kill your roll a bit. That's different than the pipe hot/cold I was talking about. With pipes, it's more like an annoying and unexplainable hot/cold...kind of like what happens sometimes on acid or shrooms...it's like you just can't get comfortable. You'd know it for sure cause it's different from e. If it was that hard to sleep, either your tolerance was low and they were mda or maybe they had some amp in them. Tough to say, but sounds like you had a good time either way. Always good to have some xanax or oxy to comedown with.
 
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