Sassafras (mega-merged)

[Le Junk]

I also understand that any such smell suggests that the complete chemical reactions havent taken place...........but not being a chemist Im only passing on what i have read from various schooled people here.

Well then, you now know you've read various unschooled peoples papers!

Maz, you should know shit like this, bro. And no chemistry background required, either!

If you have a serious question, just ask the old man..............me!

Been there, done that, done her, her friends, and all of their drugs, too!

Le Junk

 

[Chronik Fatigue]

My ma' used to brush my hair with sassafras oil when I was a kid, discourage nits.

 

[fasteddie]

I used to drink Sassafras tea when I was in my Edible Wild Plants phase.

I've gone around with this issue before. Carcinogen...perhaps. But likely the risk is orders of magnitude less than that of certain behaviors, like this dirty butt I'm smoking.

 

[Chicago66]

Not in my part of the world its not.

Over here it seems to be a well used trick to add some aniseed oil to the mix to give it that sassafraz smell and make people think its the shit..........they are right, it is..........Shit.

I also understand that any such smell suggests that the complete chemical reactions havent taken place...........but not being a chemist Im only passing on what i have read from various schooled people here.

yeah ive gotten a good amount of pills that have smelled or even tasted like they "should" and they turned out either super weak or bunk.

 

[fasteddie]

Any really strong smell like that would be removed by the post reaction acetone wash.

So, it does start to sound like a bunk artists trick.

 

[Le Junk]

Any really strong smell like that would be removed by the post reaction acetone wash.

So, it does start to sound like a bunk artists trick.

Morelike the final process of evaporating with ether. But I'll reinterate that the legal tablets of the 80's did wreak of sassafras. Be your own judge. Not that it wouldn't be a clever marketing trick nowdays, but they would have had to have known they smelled of sassafras after completion to try and duplicate it wouldn't they? Hum?

Le Junk

 

[mulberryman]

I used to drink Sassafras tea when I was in my Edible Wild Plants phase.

I've gone around with this issue before. Carcinogen...perhaps. But likely the risk is orders of magnitude less than that of certain behaviors, like this dirty butt I'm smoking.

The one time I tried sassafras tea I found it pleasant tasting and euphoric for about 20 minutes, then I started sweating like hell and puking my guts out. Later I researched sassafras and found this to be a quite common reaction. Safrole is very potent and too much can cause diaphoresis, and even hypertensive crisis. But like it has been said, MDMA is not safrole.

 

[MazDan]

Well then, you now know you've read various unschooled peoples papers!

Maz, you should know shit like this, bro. And no chemistry background required, either!

If you have a serious question, just ask the old man..............me!

Been there, done that, done her, her friends, and all of their drugs, too!

Le Junk

Mate, I just did some research and found the following..........

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=134743

including.........

Pure MDMA has NO smell. Any smell present is the result of insufficient purification, or intentional adulteration- often by adding safrole to the final product.

BTW, for those who think smell reflects quality MDMA; Safrole is rated as a carcinogen.



If you don't believe this, try washing some smelly powder with acetone. The smell should be washed away, and the remaining MDMA will be white and practically odorless.

and..........

Err phase just said. but he used 50 cent words to do it so you may be a little confused.

The smell in MDMA pills is safrole. Safrole is one of the ingredients for MDMA but, this being chemistry, when the reaction happens there should be no safrole left. It's not like baking a cake, where the flour is stil in there. Safrole is converted into MDMA.

Of course no reaction is perfect and a few traces of safrole are left in even the most careful chemist's batch. Ideally at this point the chemist will wash the MDMA to remove any left over safrole, leaving you with only MDMA, which doesn't really smell. Now of course this step is not necessary and when you are cutting corners, as most illegal labs do, it is the first to be left out. This is why all MDMA you have ever come across smells like safrole; it is made illegally and as quickly as possible.

If a purist does go to the trouble of washing their powder they may actually have to add safrole later, as their 100% pure MDMA powder may be derided as fake by "those that know" because it doesn't smell right 8) . This is just another example of the vicious cycle of myth, countermyth and actualisation. But oops, I promised I wouldn't use big words like that.

Is this clear now? What you are smelling is safrole, which either was left over or put in there and is not MDMA.

 

[Le Junk]

Mate, I just did some research and found the following..........

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=134743

including.........




and..........

I'll always go with leftovers because at least I know it's in there. Every pill I've ever had that wreaks of sassafras, including the legal tabs, were by for the best ones ever! And yes, to properly manufacture MDMA, one must use safrole. If it smells like safrole, I'm gonna roll...............

Le Junk

 

[MazDan]

I'll always go with leftovers because at least I know it's in there. Every pill I've ever had that wreaks of sassafras, including the legal tabs, were by for the best ones ever! And yes, to properly manufacture MDMA, one must use safrole. If it smells like safrole, I'm gonna roll...............

Le Junk

I understand what your saying and while it may be that that works for you.........it is NOT true for everyone and hence the idea that you can simply smell the pill to know whats in it is actually dangerous advice to give.

While it may be a good sign, its also just as likely that it means donkey shit.

Its important that the message is put forward that people TEST there pills and use pillreports.com and never ever rely on things such as smell, shape or taste etc.

 

[Broshious]

I understand what your saying and while it may be that that works for you.........it is NOT true for everyone and hence the idea that you can simply smell the pill to know whats in it is actually dangerous advice to give.

While it may be a good sign, its also just as likely that it means donkey shit.

Its important that the message is put forward that people TEST there pills and use pillreports.com and never ever rely on things such as smell, shape or taste etc.

I've said this before, but even testing your pills is not a way to be even close to 100% certain what is in them. I know it's the best thing we've got, but you should remain skeptical even after testing the pill.

 

[Le Junk]

I understand what your saying and while it may be that that works for you.........it is NOT true for everyone and hence the idea that you can simply smell the pill to know whats in it is actually dangerous advice to give.

While it may be a good sign, its also just as likely that it means donkey shit.

Its important that the message is put forward that people TEST there pills and use pillreports.com and never ever rely on things such as smell, shape or taste etc.

You must have come across the only post I've ever made that doesn't include the verbage of the importance of testing your pills. Amazing! Anyway, I'll make my usual closing statement now. People, I can't stress this enough, get a testing kit and test each and every one of your pills. And not just any testing kit either, but the EZ Complete or it's equivilant. If you don't test the pills, you'll never know what true MDMA is or feels like and you'll end up accepting all of the crap, and potentially harmful substances being pawned off as ecstasy today. It's entirely up to you to make a change in the way they illicitly manufacture the pills your receiving. If you don't keep constant check on what their making, they'll start changing the quality of what their selling. I witnessed first hand what they did to coke over the years, and now coke is nothing more than a miserabl high. It used to be Identical in each and every respect to the plateau stage (right after the peak) of 100% pure MDMA, but could last for days. No negatives, all positives. Well, it's about 99% negatives today. Tell ya' anything? TEST EACH AND EVERY SINGLE PILL YOU EVER RECIEVE!!!!!!!!!!

Le Junk

 

[fasteddie]

The one time I tried sassafras tea I found it pleasant tasting and euphoric for about 20 minutes, then I started sweating like hell and puking my guts out. Later I researched sassafras and found this to be a quite common reaction. Safrole is very potent and too much can cause diaphoresis, and even hypertensive crisis. But like it has been said, MDMA is not safrole.

Sorry to hear it.

I used to drink it all the time, iced in the summer. Like a non carbonated root beer. I never had any reaction to it at all. But, I wasn't brewing it to get high, just to drink. You might have made yours very strong.

Anyone ever do any studies, vis a vis safrole/oil content vs. age of plant? Shit grows around here like a weed, it might be a good idea to acquire a few garbage bags full of sapling roots. Then, figure out some way to steam distill it over the winter.

I imagine to get any significant quantity of oil, you'd need bushels.

 

[Broshious]

Sorry to hear it.

I used to drink it all the time, iced in the summer. Like a non carbonated root beer. I never had any reaction to it at all. But, I wasn't brewing it to get high, just to drink. You might have made yours very strong.

Anyone ever do any studies, vis a vis safrole/oil content vs. age of plant? Shit grows around here like a weed, it might be a good idea to acquire a few garbage bags full of sapling roots. Then, figure out some way to steam distill it over the winter.

I imagine to get any significant quantity of oil, you'd need bushels.

I remember reading about a guy that did steam distill the root and he said you did need a whole hell of a lot to get anywhere.

 

[C / H]

^^ I was under the impression that most large-scale clandestine MDMA manufacturing starts-off with piperonal as a main precursor.

 

[fasteddie]

^^ I was under the impression that most large-scale clandestine MDMA manufacturing starts-off with piperonal as a main precursor.

Nahhh. Then you need nitroethane, not easy to come by.

Via safrole, there's [self-edit: no synthesis chat] and [self-edit: no synthesis chat]. And those things are not so hard to come by.

 

[Le Junk]

Nahhh. Then you need nitroethane, not easy to come by.

Via safrole, there's [self-edit: no synthesis chat] and [self-edit: no synthesis chat]. And those things are not so hard to come by.

Very precise and I agree with everything you said 100%!

Le Junk

 

[C / H]

Back when my grandmother was still around, she would seasonally/occasionally brew-up some sassafras tea by boiling the roots unearthed from behind her property... I had no clue it (safrole) was a toxin back then... I remember the smell of it was absolutely mesmerizing... gave me a sense of deja vu, like I had experienced it before in a past life, if that makes any sense...

I've tried it again recently and it was far too strong for me... broke out into a sweat, felt stimulated, and then felt horrible, including nausea and depression/irritability for hours afterwards... not for me; I think that there are far better alternatives today for internal-cleansing of the body, including Ginseng root which is amazing stuff!

 

[PaythesnuckA]

Sass

For years i have always thought sass was mda crystal, but recently some friends and i think it may be something different. The main reason for this being when we get pressies that have been tested mda positive, the feeling is somewhat different from sass. Anyone have any ideas?

 

[waterfreak]

sass is sasafras, which is a precurser to both mda and mdma.