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theartofwar

theartofwar

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day 5 - so far endurance has been by far the most noticeable - I can't get myself out of the gym (cept today, love fat fridays =D) - Night vision problem started last night, it takes me about 30 minutes to adjust, it does suck, but that aside so far so good - I expect within 10-14 days I will be able to really tell you guys whats what. I'll be using it solo, then starting cycle in 3 weeks. I will be using it again w/my PCT if i like how it goes. Here's for legal research!!!
 
Oral yup - endurance is up, I had a horrible migraine last day and half which really sucked, lot of puking and not much lifting :( - that being said diet has been on point and I'd say it feels sorta like first week being on prop, I'll keep you guys informed - if I change doses etc, and I'll let you know day by day on the lifts. Right now it's running solo, I want to know if I like it enough to run it w/my PCT for next cycle. Pricey stuff, but so far so good.
 
what are you running this at and for how long? I'm interested in this compound.
 
What's the legal status of SARM S4? Discussing sources of things like this frowned upon? I made a thread about Andarine which I think is SARM S1 and is supposedly marketed as green tea/face moisturiser.

Anyway, pretty interested in SARMs, would like to know which ones are decent, which are available/good value, etc, etc.
 
Sorry guys, holidays have been super busy. I started @ 50mg , 25 morning 25 evening - I have not gone up. Some of my buds online are running anywhere from 75mg to 150mg - i simply do not have the money for that. So far the results feel a lot like propionate - very good strength gains, solid clean gains. Side affects: night vision is completely shot - it takes a good 30-45 minutes to adjust, acne flaired up and I haven't ever gotten acne from any gear. I like the product, dunno if it's worth the money seeing as you can line a cycle up for the cost, but yeah, so far so good.
 
hmmmmm interesting...where did you get the acne at? also, the night vision problem worries me at such a conventional dose.
 
PARooolller said:
hmmmmm interesting...where did you get the acne at? also, the night vision problem worries me at such a conventional dose.
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Started back of shoulders as second week started I saw some on my face - nothing bad though. The night vision is legit problem - I didn't take any bilberry or anything for it, dunno what to say, good stuff bad side though.
 
chaoticc said:
How much of the quantity did you buy and how long do you think it the supply will last?
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I have two bottles 30ml @ 50mg / ml - I wouldn't recommend running higher than 50mg a day - I am using it on it's own to see just how the results are. Then when I start my winter / spring cycles I will use the second bottle as PCT. No need to run longer than 30 days unless you are increasing dose by around 2nd or 3rd week for another few weeks. And frankly, with the sides of night vision - i wouldn't recommend that. Also - DO NOT be like me, get some eye support like bilberry. My vision is fine minus the dark times of the day (lucky me up here in boston that means I can get a solid 5 hours of daylight a day :!:!). I don't want you guys to freak about it, it goes away after about 3-5 days when you stop at the latest. It's a very strong real androgenic substance, for more experienced users I strongly suggest using it to bridge cycles. Personally, if you were to run it alone (if you don't want to waste your money on PROHORMONES!!! =D ) then you will see much better results than you would with any PH .. maybe exception being methyl1test , which of course is banned. But running it with a cycle, unless you really stack it to maximize another androgen or something along those lines, I see no point. It's nearly $200 and I'd say it's worth it at that price to bridge w/no problems into your next cycle - but I mean $200 is a nice 12-14 week cycle, so spend wisely and the product is well worth it.
 
theartofwar said:
I have two bottles 30ml @ 50mg / ml - I wouldn't recommend running higher than 50mg a day - I am using it on it's own to see just how the results are. Then when I start my winter / spring cycles I will use the second bottle as PCT. No need to run longer than 30 days unless you are increasing dose by around 2nd or 3rd week for another few weeks. And frankly, with the sides of night vision - i wouldn't recommend that. Also - DO NOT be like me, get some eye support like bilberry. My vision is fine minus the dark times of the day (lucky me up here in boston that means I can get a solid 5 hours of daylight a day :!:!). I don't want you guys to freak about it, it goes away after about 3-5 days when you stop at the latest. It's a very strong real androgenic substance, for more experienced users I strongly suggest using it to bridge cycles. Personally, if you were to run it alone (if you don't want to waste your money on PROHORMONES!!! =D ) then you will see much better results than you would with any PH .. maybe exception being methyl1test , which of course is banned. But running it with a cycle, unless you really stack it to maximize another androgen or something along those lines, I see no point. It's nearly $200 and I'd say it's worth it at that price to bridge w/no problems into your next cycle - but I mean $200 is a nice 12-14 week cycle, so spend wisely and the product is well worth it.
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hmm, seems like the pros outweigh the cons. Keep us updated on your cycle!
Is orally the only way you can take it?(regarding bioavailability issues)
 
chaoticc said:
hmm, seems like the pros outweigh the cons. Keep us updated on your cycle!
Is orally the only way you can take it?(regarding bioavailability issues)
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yes: Despite being very new in terms of clinical trials, S4 has proven to show amazing possibilities in terms of anabolic-like muscle growth.

Selective Androgen Receptor Modulators (SARMs) provide the benefits of traditional anabolic/androgenic steroids such as testosterone (including increased muscle mass, fat loss, and bone density), while having a lower tendency to produce the unwanted side effects of steroids. The Androgen Receptor (AR) is the cellular receptor that androgens (like testosterone and other anabolic steroids) bind to. This bound androgen/receptor then combine with another similar combination (usually another androgen/androgen-receptor pair), and travel to the cell's nucleus, where gene transcription is induced. This is one known mechanism of how androgens such as anabolic steroids exert their effects on cells. SARMs have the potential to take the place of the androgen, and therefore exert many of the same positive effects on muscle tissue as anabolic steroids like testosterone. SARMs are absorbed orally, but are not liver toxic like most oral steroids are. The anabolic effect has been measured to be roughly the same as testosterone. It has also been shown to produce dose-dependent increases in bone mineral density and mechanical strength in addition to being able decrease body fat and increase lean body mass.
 
theartofwar said:
yes: Despite being very new in terms of clinical trials, S4 has proven to show amazing possibilities in terms of anabolic-like muscle growth.

Selective Androgen Receptor Modulators (SARMs) provide the benefits of traditional anabolic/androgenic steroids such as testosterone (including increased muscle mass, fat loss, and bone density), while having a lower tendency to produce the unwanted side effects of steroids. The Androgen Receptor (AR) is the cellular receptor that androgens (like testosterone and other anabolic steroids) bind to. This bound androgen/receptor then combine with another similar combination (usually another androgen/androgen-receptor pair), and travel to the cell's nucleus, where gene transcription is induced. This is one known mechanism of how androgens such as anabolic steroids exert their effects on cells. SARMs have the potential to take the place of the androgen, and therefore exert many of the same positive effects on muscle tissue as anabolic steroids like testosterone. SARMs are absorbed orally, but are not liver toxic like most oral steroids are. The anabolic effect has been measured to be roughly the same as testosterone. It has also been shown to produce dose-dependent increases in bone mineral density and mechanical strength in addition to being able decrease body fat and increase lean body mass.
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Oh, how I love the era of technology.
Whats the catch? :P
 
chaoticc said:
Oh, how I love the era of technology.
Whats the catch? :P
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the catch is the quote is from the company i bought it from - so everything looks like the wonder drug - reality, the eye vision (night vision) is no joke, it's difficult - the acne has been kinda spot n go , my bro is also runnin (slightly higher at 75mg - he also has much more AAS experience, around 12 cycles now I believe) and he says this is the only stuff that makes hime break out at all! The other catch is the price. Like I said I feel this compound is an excellent bridge between cycles to maintain gains (of course run your normal PCT since you will be shut down after your cycle). Run alone, has been a trial for me to see how it works, and it does. I wouldn't say spend the money on it for running alone, but honestly the stuff works quite well so if you are if you can deal with a little trouble driving at night - go for it, esp if you have the bank brother!
 
they go away after 5-10 days off bro - but to play it safe, wait until more people run it - more research is done. It is an excellent compound but I agree, while I play the guinea pig I wouldn't recommend everyone to do the same!
 
theartofwar said:
the catch is the quote is from the company i bought it from - so everything looks like the wonder drug - reality, the eye vision (night vision) is no joke, it's difficult - the acne has been kinda spot n go , my bro is also runnin (slightly higher at 75mg - he also has much more AAS experience, around 12 cycles now I believe) and he says this is the only stuff that makes hime break out at all! The other catch is the price. Like I said I feel this compound is an excellent bridge between cycles to maintain gains (of course run your normal PCT since you will be shut down after your cycle). Run alone, has been a trial for me to see how it works, and it does. I wouldn't say spend the money on it for running alone, but honestly the stuff works quite well so if you are if you can deal with a little trouble driving at night - go for it, esp if you have the bank brother!
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haha alright.
So you say its good for breaks between cycles, but for somebody with my size and having no experience with similar chemicals, would it be worth running a 12wk cycle with this, or is there something else I should start out with.
 
chaoticc said:
haha alright.
So you say its good for breaks between cycles, but for somebody with my size and having no experience with similar chemicals, would it be worth running a 12wk cycle with this, or is there something else I should start out with.
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Let me put it this way - I don't claim to know a huge deal about PH's , frankly I don't want to know about em (aside from the turinabol clone if there is anything legit behind it). This is he real deal, like I said, I'd compare it to running propionate in a lot of was. I would strat running it at 25mg morning 25mg evening, 50mg ed - if by week 2 you feel you aren't getting results - EXAMINE your diet, your slep etc - if stilll noting then it's not for you bro. Alhough i ill say some of my boy who eat around 3,500-4,00 clean cals a day (one just did nationals, abolutely loves it - best of luck mate.
 
What's the night vision thing? Your eyes don't adjust to the darkness or its blurry?
 
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